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I Do Not Understand Not Having A Child Because Of "Climate Change" And The Like
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Pretty sure the economy will be infinitely better for all people in the late 2000s than it was at any point prior to 1950 in the absolute worst case scenarios.
There's a distinction to be made between someone not having children because they're concerned that the quality of living for them will be worse than their own versus someone not having children because of the emissions footprint.
I can understand both, but I can probably relate more to the former. And I can understand deciding to have children.
I can understand both, but I can probably relate more to the former. And I can understand deciding to have children.
I honestly don't see how the rate of social change we've witnessed recently wouldn't make someone apprehensive about the responsibility entailed by creating life, granted I'm gay so it's not like I'm having a kid by accident or anything but only as a product of perhaps overwrought consideration.
This is a really good piece from CBC on the role of population control and has some surprising opinions in it from authority figures on it.
In particular:
Personally I think we do need to actively think about population control and that that responsibility is everyone's. But... the focus should probably be on people not having children at a rate above replacement levels (ie. 3+) rather than denying yourself one of the quintessential human experiences on the basis of what works out to be fairly dubious mathematics when considered in the global context.
In particular:
Personally I think we do need to actively think about population control and that that responsibility is everyone's. But... the focus should probably be on people not having children at a rate above replacement levels (ie. 3+) rather than denying yourself one of the quintessential human experiences on the basis of what works out to be fairly dubious mathematics when considered in the global context.
How much is that being offset by higher birth rates in developing nations, is there any studies on that?
Chance is much bigger that any child won't be any of those though. I mean, how many out of the 7 billion people on Earth currently fit in those categories? Most others all consume more than they need, produce waste or travel the world.
I am surprised at the amount of people who think the displacement of millions of people from global warming won't affect their lives.
The world is getting worse, I dont want for another human being to struggle with the destruction caused by corporations and the rich
Is that "cringy"?
Is that "cringy"?
So basically, the backstory to First Reformed movie.
I get the idea behind it, but right now the way things are is foolish since technically we still have time to save the planet. Once things start looking dire, like run out of natural resources, then yes a little caution may be needed, not sure if I would see it in my lifetime.
I get the idea behind it, but right now the way things are is foolish since technically we still have time to save the planet. Once things start looking dire, like run out of natural resources, then yes a little caution may be needed, not sure if I would see it in my lifetime.
It's a combination of nihilist ("everything is doomed! The end is nigh!" Yeah, that mindset is so helpful) and the continual focus on people's individual habits which is just wrong - the problem is not the individual choices you make, it's mostly coming from companies, and if we stopped blaming individual power who's choices make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things we could actually focus on real solutions like regulations curtailing companies emissions.
Does it matter? Does an extra child get born over there if I have one less child? I think not.
Word. I don't understand why people make decisions based on facts and data. They should just leap into important shit with no consideration for anyone or anything else.
Do you wish you were never born because tens of millions of people are fleeing Syria right now.
What is the number of refugees that would actually make the lives of non-refugees worse to the point of not wanting to exist.
Really, surprised? I'm not, just had to read other threads here.
There's part of the world that's running out of water.
Narions are bussing immigrants to the middle of a desert and leaving them.
Medical care is becoming more and more a luxury.
Dude, your way of ff life will soon be considered a golden age.
Narions are bussing immigrants to the middle of a desert and leaving them.
Medical care is becoming more and more a luxury.
Dude, your way of ff life will soon be considered a golden age.
Love to try to act like I am the very smart and reasonable one while endorsing an idea that makes zero sense as climate change is a collective action problem.
The "I don't want to bring a child into a world that is ending" is a very weird take to me tbh. People had kids during the Black Death. If most of the human beings in the world are going to die that seems like a pretty good argument to have a few more humans around to increase the odds that enough survive to repopulate the race!
the virgin DINK marriage versus the chad Steven Pinker
lol fuck outta here
Sometimes I feel like people use climate change as an excuse to deflect from the real reasons they don't want kids.
For whatever reason someone wants or doesn't want kids - that's fine, just don't act like you're doing the world a big favor by not having a kid.
For whatever reason someone wants or doesn't want kids - that's fine, just don't act like you're doing the world a big favor by not having a kid.
If people throughout history had a similar mindset the human race would have gone extinct thousands of years ago. Having said that, if you don't want kids by all means don't have them.
legit. we're gonna lose a bunch of states and places that are on coastlines cuz of rising water levels. can't wait for people who aren't concerned about this turn their head the other way when misplaced people start moving inland
Yeah lol
I dont think that the black plague should be our example for anything ever
My wife and I aren't even replacing our own foot prints with our only daughter.
Wow, people from Miami are going to have to move inland where... There's a massive amount of available land.
America has enough land to easily support 1 to 1.5 billion people right now, we'll be OK supporting 400-500 million people with slightly less land.
Inland cities that will be facing water crises and other climate catastrophes
???
The point is that "we shouldn't have children because we are in a potentially world-ending crisis" is total nonsense and we can literally tell that by looking back at previous world-ending crises. Actually, humans are good and life is worth living, children are wonderful, and all that remains true even when life is otherwise tough.
Ummm.. pardon?
Setting aside hurricanes, massive wildfires - you know, like the one currently burning down california - and widespread crop failures decimating the worlds food supply, there is the issue of the estimated 1.5 billion climate refugees that climate change could create by 2050.
I believe someone in the last thread we had about having kids/not having kids said they were more concerned about not being able to afford a shiny new car if they had a child. Then it turned into what the majority of these threads turn into: people finding ways to call parents selfish, or that we don't care about the environment, etc, etc. Have kids if you want to have kids and have the means to support them. If you don't want them, then don't.
Errrr have you seen the response from most European countries when 'only' tens of thousands of refugees started moving in from Syria? Fences are built in countries like Hungary, no ships are allowed to enter anymore in Italy, etc. Far right parties gained lots of votes. A deal with Turkey was needed to keep people calm over here. Turkey received billions of euros to keep people out of Europe.
People already felt they were flooded with refugees a couple of years ago here in Netherlands.
Not wanting to exist may be extreme, but things would not have become friendly either.
It's true that lots of people are crazy racists but that doesn't actually mean refugees were affecting their quality of life.
Might have something to do with this: https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-you-a-moral-grandstander.151046/
I also think some people decided not to have kids first and then added on a reason afterward.
I also think some people decided not to have kids first and then added on a reason afterward.
Seriously. Look at how reactionary countries from all across the world have been in regards to immigrants and refugees. I can't even imagine the shitstorm when 190 million people are displaced from their homes.
Hell, we just had this thread recently: New elevation data triple estimates of global vulnerability to sea-level rise and coastal flooding
It's too bad it isn't simply a matter of dealing with land and shoving people somewhere else. It's a matter of losing farm land, of losing fresh water, of losing food in general as climate change continues. I'm confident we'll survive, but god damn, it ain't going to be pretty.
I don't think this chart works as well without including "quit your job, get off the internet, and go live in the woods" as an option.
We just going to ignore that the United States already has a lower than average birth rate and a higher than average death rate?
While I can somewhat understand the sentiment, we shouldn't get to the point where we shame people for wanting to have kids because they are suddenly climate change deniers.
While I can somewhat understand the sentiment, we shouldn't get to the point where we shame people for wanting to have kids because they are suddenly climate change deniers.
Here's a visual aid to help
So like
What was the discount rate used, what assumptions were used for future energy consumption, what assumptions were used for future energy mix.
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