I was about to post something like that, Most partisans treat politics like sports rivalries, instead of focusing on issues.
I think this must happen in most countries, but with the US having just 2 parties, it seems even more pronounced.
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I chatted with a Republican health care worker who voted for Trump in 2016 today
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I think this must happen in most countries, but with the US having just 2 parties, it seems even more pronounced.
"Social liberal but fiscally conservative" is code for libertarian. My advice is to run the other way.
Also, fancy degrees do not imply intelligence, in my experience.
What I wouldn't give for the majority of the country to go under a psychological transformation to the acceptance of a social democracy. Imagine how much more prosperous Americans would be mentally and financially. :|
I have to say it doesn't sound very interesting OP. It sounds frustrating, particularly that she only decided trump was problematic with coronavirus. Like, that is deeply fucked up.
Wait what does that even mean?
It is like saying you're vegetarian but you still eat bacon once in a while?
In my experience it is code for 'Allows me to safely vote Republican without having to address racism, homophobia, etc.'
No, it is theoretically a real position. Libertarians for example are supposedly that.
It is just a super myopic position since it does its darnedest to ignore the intersection between the social and the fiscal.
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She's some kind of medical administrator here at a local hospital, has a whole staff of people under her.
Ah thanks for that, I thought it was some weird....mental gymnastic going on
In theory it means it's ok if you're gay we aren't gonna give you unemployment anyway.
In actuality it's code word for I'm still a republican, but don't hate me.
Yeah I think my uncle is the same way. His own mother was trying to dissuade him for liking Trump so much saying, "But.... he LIES." and he just happily chirps, "Well, I'll give you that one."
School teaches you about specific subjects you end up specializing in. Just because you have a lot of degrees doesn't mean you're going to be smart in all subjects.
For example, when you go into medicine as a doctor you end up specializing in surgery or psychiatry or whatever. You end up becoming really good at what you do, but not necessarily anything else. Many doctors forget about certain things they learned in school just because it doesn't apply to them anymore.
For her, it seems like "socially liberal fiscally conservative" is comfortable because it means she doesn't have to think critically and pick a side. People who say this I've found really have no idea what they're talking about.
I read an article... what, maybe 8-10 months ago or so... in the long ago before time... that explained this phenomenon in that while these people recognize Trump as the awful dumpster fire that he is, they are against one or more relatively unanimous planks in the Democratic candidates' platforms (whether that be abortion, immigration, LGBT rights, foreign policy, police abuse/powers, student loan forgiveness, UBI etc...) enough that of course they wouldn't vote for the D. They'll hold their noses and vote for Trump or just sit out altogether.
For examle, if I'm pro-life, single -issue voter (to be clear, I'm ardently pro-choice, this is just a hypothetical,) then there's no way in hell I'd vote for Biden or any other D nominee.
You guys are being far too harsh on this woman. Some people want to vote for someone they believe in and they don't treat voting like they're trying to solve a math problem. She obviously understands that not voting for Biden will, by an incredibly minuscule amount, make it more likely that Trump will win. She's not stupid.
That tactic isn't very effective in the best of times, and definitely not if you're trying to start something romantic.
Sometimes you just have to cut your losses
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Admittedly I don't know her very well, but she definitely didn't seem stupid to me, not by half. She's not particularly religious, or have any extreme views that I could tell. That's what makes it so confusing. I spoke with her a good while, probably close to an hour.
Exactly this. Unless you're a particularly skilled orator that can make a rousing case for your side, attempting to browbeat people into voting for someone they don't want to probably won't endear them to your candidate, it'll just push them further away.
Should have left well enough alone, or tried to take a more scenic route into the logic of voting D instead of just launching headlong into OH SO YOU'RE THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY?
She works in the medical field; Ask her if she feels healthcare should be accessible to whoever is in need, or if it should be a profit-driven and highly exclusionary industry. Ask her if she wants people in office that will yield to the expertise of medical professionals, or one that undermines and second-guesses them. I'll take a wild guess that she probably picks the former in both cases. Then lay out the case that there's one party that consistently advocates for those things and one that does not.
She sounds like my cousin. She has a higher degrees than bachelor and a well paying job and hate taxes.
What's her view on taxes?
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We didn't get that far. We stopped talking politics after I heard her initial views. lol
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I was going to write the same. We thought some Republicans would sit home in 2016. They knew he was a disgusting candidate then. They didn't and won't.
People like this are some of the most annoying around. If she's from a state he won, she directly contributed to the shitshow going on. When i get legitimately pissed at something I try ton actually change it. She's lying to you and most likely going to vote for him again. Just trying to save face.
Also, socially liberal and fiscally conservative is code for I'll say I'm for equality but I'll be damned if it's important enough to pay to establish it nonsense.
Also, socially liberal and fiscally conservative is code for I'll say I'm for equality but I'll be damned if it's important enough to pay to establish it nonsense.
The worse ones are the people who actually took a bunch of college level social studies classes and still came out this way.
It means she's not openly a bigoted asshole, but she's happy to throw marginalized groups under the bus if it benefits her taxes.
On the good news, since she leans Republican/is so anti democrat, i would say her no vote harms trump. Vs people who say they lean progressive (and wouldn't vote trump anyways) saying they won't vote. Those help trump. So in her case I think it's still a loss for trump.
Because it is obvious if she voted, it would be Republican. So her not voting is them getting one less vote. The reason people are frustrated at those not voting and saying they are helping trump is those people would be voting democrat/progressive that the democrats lost.
Though getting her to vote democrat would be a double kick to the republicans.
It means they don't think all gay people are going to hell necessarily but think poor people bring it on themselves by being lazy so if they suffer or die it's their own fault.
We should be focused on undecided voters instead of those who are pretty set on "I hate them both, voting 3rd party" people. I know, the fact that there's people undecided between Trump and Biden is unfortunate, but they are easier to convince.
You live in Massachusetts, an incredibly Blue state. It went Hillary 60% Trump 32% in 2016.
This person's non-vote or write-in is not going to cause trump to win, it is not "really a vote for Trump". It is a vote for whoever she writes in, and Biden will win your state's electoral college votes regardless.
As a registered republican, I also live in an an incredibly solid blue state and will be voting third party this year too. My vote will be counted as a message that I wasn't satisfied with either major candidate, if enough registered republicans like me voted like this (tbh, they won't, I expect to be in the 1-3% range this year) it would send a clear message to the GOP to stop nominating trump-like candidates and nominate someone worthy of my vote.
This person's non-vote or write-in is not going to cause trump to win, it is not "really a vote for Trump". It is a vote for whoever she writes in, and Biden will win your state's electoral college votes regardless.
As a registered republican, I also live in an an incredibly solid blue state and will be voting third party this year too. My vote will be counted as a message that I wasn't satisfied with either major candidate, if enough registered republicans like me voted like this (tbh, they won't, I expect to be in the 1-3% range this year) it would send a clear message to the GOP to stop nominating trump-like candidates and nominate someone worthy of my vote.
A large percentage of Americans are indoctrinated pretty strongly starting at birth. In many households democrats are evil loving baby killers.
Atheists and Muslims were always the 2 least trusted groups when polling Americans. If you don't parrot their jingoistic bs and cable news talkinAmerica then in their heads you not only aren't to be trusted, but are actually trying to destroy america.
Atheists and Muslims were always the 2 least trusted groups when polling Americans. If you don't parrot their jingoistic bs and cable news talkinAmerica then in their heads you not only aren't to be trusted, but are actually trying to destroy america.
We literally just had several democrats on this board saying they wouldn't vote for Biden (or Trump obviously) when the Tara Reade allegations were front and center. Are you saying they were also republicans?
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This is why the democrats needed a better candidate. I voted for Trump last election but just cannot do it again with a clear conscious, unfortunately I also cannot vote for Biden for the same reason so I'll probably not vote for the 1st time in two decades
You're very brave to post here, but I'm certainly glad that you are. This forum needs more voices from the other side.
That's something the posters here are missing. This woman is not a Democrat. She hates Trump and wants a sane Republican to vote for, but that doesn't mean she wants to vote for Biden either. Given that perspective, voting third party or making a protest vote (say Mitt Romney) makes perfect sense.
Let's reverse that. So if not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump, then her not voting Trump is a vote for Biden?
I think that a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. And a vote for Biden is a vote for Biden.
What was it about 2016 Trump that you wanted to vote for that was better than 2020 Biden?
It means she thinks democrats spend way too much money on minorities and poor people and illegal immigrants and ignore white women (and men), but she won't ever talk about race with random people because she will instantly be tarred with the racist accusation. She votes quietly in the voting booth, not super happy about her choice but figuring its "us or them" and Trump is definitely on "her" side.
Its a bit of an interesting con, republicans don't really give two shits about anyone other than corporations and rich donors and are pretty open about it, but democrats are so schizophrenic in their messaging when it comes to just straight up telling white voters "yeah, we'll basically cater to you" (which is essentially true but democratic candidates HATE saying it for a variety of reasons) that a lot of white voters feel that a vote for a democrat is a vote for giving up some level of personal power and "free ride".
Its the barbarians at the gate dilemma, republicans constantly tell you the barbarians are at the gate and they are the only ones that can protect you and democrats are usually bad at pushing back against that message. You rarely convince someone that the threat to their way of life is being kind to strangers.
Simply put, I couldn't vote for a Clinton and never will and Trump at the time was IMO the lesser of two evils since he didn't have the political baggage that the Clinton's had yet and was a unknown quantity.
You're full of shit. The idea that you are sitting here saying you took a moral stand to not vote for Clinton and decided to vote for Trump because he's lesser than two evils but now you decided to not vote for Trump but magically that same logic doesn't apply to voting for Biden. You wouldn't have ever voted for a Democrat, regardless of the candidate - you're just too much of coward to admit it.
If she's a would-be Trump voter, not voting actually favors Biden (in the same way would-be D voters sitting out is half a vote for Trump).