I can't see 120HZ /FPS. How about you?

[Deleted member 84505]

I'm the same. 41 years old. Just bought an LG CX for my PS5 and Series X. My Series X says i'm all set up for 120fps and i can select that mode in Ori.

I tried Ori and MAYBE could see a slight difference in motion between 60 and 120fps, but i REALLY had to look. I noticed the downscaled 6K resolution in the 60fps mode far more than i could see any motion difference in the 120fps mode.

I tired the Halo update last night. Is it 120fps in Halo CE single player mode? Because I could not tell any difference over 60fps at all. The only thing i noticed was the cut scenes seemed to have jitters etc and not be even a solid 60fps.

I can easily see the difference between 30fps and 60fps, but over 60fps my eyes just can't tell.

 

[Zukuu]

Not much seeing, but feeling.
That said, there is a TREMENDOUS drop-off of improvement after 90 FPS to a point where I don't think it's worth it.

 

[Mukrab]

Its subtle for me compared to 30 to 60

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Obviously the higher you go the less difference it makes. going from 30 to 60 you reduce the time a frame is on the screen a lot more than going from 60 to 120. Going from 1fps to 2fps is also an infinitely larger difference than going from 2fps to a googolplex fps for obvious reasons.

 

[Kuosi]

35 and the difference is quite apparent, on pc with mouse even more so

 

[liquidmetal14]

I came in here to say that you should just play nothing but 120 for a week and then go back to 60. Or even with gsync, watch the frame rate as it dips into even the 80s and lower which, while smooth, will be felt. It may feel subtle but your eyes don't lie despite your mental perception.

But I wanted to add that the motion, even if you think it's placebo, ABSOLUTELY does impact how high end it feels.

I don't this it's even arguable to say that 60/120fps options on new consoles are next gen features unto themselves. When I played RE3 at 4k120 on my 3080, settings maxed, I had not felt such an impact since probably the PS2 days and harkening back to the first 3d stuff on mainstream successful consoles like Saturn and PS1.

I want to agree with you more but thinking about it more and it's not feasible to downplay 2x fps in your display/panel.

 

[LumberPanda]

Sorry but there's really no "not seeing 120hz". If you are unable to tell 8.3 ms differences in motion it is definitely not safe for you to operate a vehicle.

 

[Mukrab]

This. I'm all about the frames up to 60FPS, but after that, resolution and graphics. 120 is not meaningful in the same way.

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I mean its the same with resolution. The higher you go the less difference it makes.

 

[Spiritreaver]

Lol, saw this thread and tabbed into WoW capped at 144 fps. Smooth as fuck. Dropped the cap to 60 and it's a pretty jarring difference. Nametags are harder to follow as you move, and you can see the drop in framerate in animations and movement. I dropped to 30 and it's an even bigger difference.

So yea, I can tell and I don't wanna go back to being content with 60.

 

[Deleted member 35987]

so why do I see a difference between 30 and 60FPS? not trying to be a smartass, I generally don't understand that.

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It's an old meme about someone who didn't see the point in anything above 30fps

 

[Ryoku]

human eye can only see in 24 fps anyways so why bother

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And only from like a couple of feet away if the screen size is under like 50"

 

[butterbutt!]

60 to 120 is obvious, but above 100 I probably can't tell a difference

 

[Possum Armada]

Honestly I don't really see much of a difference.

 

[Goodacre0081]

play them for a while then try to go back.

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basically this. go for a week or two then go back.

 

[Mass Effect]

I can easily see it. And I can definitely feel it on faster-paced games.

 

[Trigonometrize]

I have gotten the impression that 120fps/144fps is nothing but revolutionary up until these new consoles have come out where the response is pretty muddled.

 

[nextgeneration]

I don't know if it makes any difference (tv's vs pc monitors), but on pc, it's super easy to tell - 30 vs 60 vs 120/144. Maybe on tv's, it's harder to tell? My tv can only do 60, so I can't offer any insight there, but on pc monitors, the difference is night/day for me. And I don't think age matters. I'm probably older than the vast majority of the people here, and I'm able to easily discern the difference on pc monitors.

 

[dd492941]

I never thought I cared about high frame rates until demons souls. Then going from performance mode to quality mode was like night and day. Quality mode pales in comparison to the performance mode.

 

[Gwarm]

I played Apex on a friends 120hz monitor and I really couldn't tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz. Maybe if I had more time with it I would notice. The jump from 30 fps to 60 fps is huge and important too, so I was surprised that I couldn't notice.

 

[squall23]

I didn't until I saw it side-by-side with 60.

 

[MrBob]

I have gotten the impression that 120fps/144fps is nothing but revolutionary up until these new consoles have come out where the response is pretty muddled.

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It definitely depends on the game. If it is Doom, going from 60 to 120 will be nice. Assassins Creed, doesn't matter as much.

 

[Deleted member 19533]

I mean its the same with resolution. The higher you go the less difference it makes.

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I'm not implying that it isn't. I'd rather 1080p 60 over 4k 30. But, once you have that 60, I feel you get better gains turning up the resolution and visuals.

 

[skeezx]

*for me*... on a desktop monitor hell yes it makes a difference. and my eyesight is terrible

5+ ft away from a 50-65" tv i can't really notice shit. i think bloodborne is the only game that really chafed me here... i'm kind of perplexed when people scream bloody murder about 30 fps on console but then again everybody is not me, some play console on monitor, ect

 

[SeeingeyeDug]

I feel like the responsiveness is more felt on a control scheme like mouse. When you flick and the frames are still smooth and super responsive because of the speed of each frame, it's more noticeable. When using an analog stick, it's still going to accelerate only at a certain max speed which won't be really as noticed between 60 and 120. But that's IMO and others might disagree. It also might be more noticed in a genre that has fast-moving images like a racing game.

 

[Feenix]

Sorry but there's really no "not seeing 120hz". If you are unable to tell 8.3 ms differences in motion it is definitely not safe for you to operate a vehicle.

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Ladies and gentlemen, my favorite post so far.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I tried a couple of matches at 120 on Cold War on my PS5 and it felt the same as i'm used to. I did terribly in both matches btw lol

I want an analisis to see what's the trade off before deciding what to stick with

 

[Hawk269]

You are not old OP. I am 53, I am old. lol. But yeah, I can tell big time. If you play at 120 for a while then go back and replay the exact same game/area etc. you can feel it big time. For me my first 120 experience was Ori and at first I thought it was no big deal, it was very smooth but no big deal...played a good hour or so then switched to 60fps and it felt sluggish for a pretty long time...eventually the more I played at 60 it subdued but yeah, I can feel it big time.

 

[TaySan]

I can definitely see the difference immediately, but you can clearly feel the difference in motion. Just play any fps at 120 vs 60 and its a world of difference.

 

[RivalGT]

It really depends on the game, it's most noticeable in first person shooters. In racing games I feel like the difference is very minor. Input lag is cut in half though, so it's always a benefit, if gameplay is the most important to you.

 

[stryke]

I struggle to tell past 90fps.

 

[Etain]

I feel like it's more of a revelation for moving my mouse cursor than game playing so far, but maybe I need to try again with an FPS or something.

 

[LightKiosk]

30, 60, 120, 165. I can notice the difference between all of them. It's not only noticeable during games, but also navigating the UI and is a big reason why I hope Sony supports 1440p120 in the future.

 

[Timu]

I can see it 100% perfectly once I got my 1440p 165hz monitor and would rather play shooters at 120fps than 60fps nowadays.

 

[nitewulf]

Well you have to ensure the output actually is at 120.

 

[Bradford]

It's a massive difference. I can definitely see it, which is why I use a CRT to play games at HFR.

 

[ElephantShell]

I can tell, though the difference from 30 to 60 is 1,000x more impactful to me. 60 fps is more essential for me where 120 fps is a "nice to have".

 

[liquidmetal14]

It really is a out that feeling the lower response time enables. It's science, irrefutable.

I'm not saying that to be pompous but it's just a fact.

I don't disagree that preferring lower res in favor of performance is wrong either.

I stand by my points. It's just not something your mind ever does not notice when dwelling in a 120hz+ world for extended periods of time. If you can't notice then there may be something wrong.

Frankly this is new to probably the majority of people even on here since high refresh rates are just becoming a thing while on PC we have had these luxuries for YEARS.

 

[SirNinja]

I finally recently got the chance to demo 120 FPS on a monitor that can display it, and...I was largely unimpressed. I could see a marginal difference from 60, but IMO it's nowhere near worth the performance hit required for it.

60 is already just about perfect. I don't need any more than that, and hopefully it's what most devs shoot for this gen.

 

[Rickenslacker]

It's not as distinct when playing on a controller. Using a mouse and keyboard on a shooter makes it a night and day difference.

 

[FTF]

I'm 39 and I sure as shit can see/tell the difference.

 

[Timu]

I feel like it's more of a revelation for moving my mouse cursor than game playing so far, but maybe I need to try again with an FPS or something.

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I strongly recommend playing FPS and shooters in general, makes a massive difference there.

 

[JudgmentJay]

It's very noticeable on PC with a M+KB. If you're playing something at ~120 and it suddenly drops to 60 it feels a little stuttery. Not like 30 fps stuttery, but slightly. I'm 37.

 

[FancyPants]

Same here, ish. LG OLED CX and the jump from 30 to 60 is gigantic, while the jump to 120 is subtle. I'd rather have the full bells and whistle 4k60 than 120 fps tbh.

 

[Deleted member 50374]

Maybe this is the right thread to ask. Because I have a TV that claim to support 1080p 120hz but can't notice any difference (unlike going from game mode to the ISF). I do have a 144hz monitor and that feels completely different. It's almost as if the TV is just 90hz or something, which is too little of a difference for me to be noticeably better (my phone is 90hz). What the fuck? It's a Philips 55PUS7304/12

 

[Pargon]

It's a huge difference and makes me wonder if something is not configured correctly if you don't see it.

1. I would check that your TV is set to game mode with motion smoothing disabled. Motion smoothing tries to recreate the look of 120 FPS for 30/60 FPS sources, but adds a lot of input lag and visual artifacts.
2. The C9/CX also have a bug causing stuttering when VRR is enabled right now. I don't know the extent that it affects those games in particular, but you might want to try disabling it until the firmware fix is out. Things may not be as smooth as they ought to be.

Is it really THAT hard for you to play games at lower fidelity?

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Yes, I get severely motion sick from most 30 FPS games.

 

[delete]

I can definitely tell the difference between 60hz and 90hz on my phone even. Looking forward to trying it out eventually on the PS5 once it has VRR enabled and a game I am interested in it supports it.

 

[Rizific]

from 60 to 120, yes absolutely. but from 90-120/144/165/240? ehhhhhh not really.

 

[Deleted member 10560]

Absolutely, yes. Running 1440p@120hz Freesync gaming monitor on XsX with the stock controller that has the DLI and my accuracy is insanely better. Clarity on fast turning is greatly improved. COD and Gears5 at 120fps is night and day difference, for me.

 

[Puggles]

I can see the difference but I don't play games that require higher refresh rates. I'll choose 60 FPS at higher settings over 120hz.

 

[Cloud-Strife]

On PC 120 hz/fps vs 60 is a huge difference.. maybe your setup is not working right.

Another reason could be that you always used interpolation on your Tv so you always had 60 fps with interpolation and that's pretty close to 120 fps in movement.

 

[aspiring]

Can I change my vote? I couldn't see, but having tried Halo I'm a believer. Massive difference!