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captmcblack

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Oct 25, 2017
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The will of Bernie continues on through younger people who will be able to deliver on many of his policy positions without alienating people or antagonizing his party/his potential supporters. This movement will continue.
 

Dalek

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Feel free to yell and talk down to everyone in this thread who agrees with you. If you want to feel what we feel like-go try yelling at a wall fro 20 years and then you'll start to have an impression of what we have been going through trying to change opinions in our own country. But again-feel free to continue to punish us for the actions of the nudniks that we happen to share a country with.
 

Artdayne

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Bernie cannot build coalitions with black people, unlike Joe Biden who authored the 94 crime bill, still defends it, and said black kids need to hear the record player and that if you don't vote for him you're not black.
 

shem

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Oct 25, 2017
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*Bernie 2020 run planning committee meeting*

"Okay folks we lost last time so what do we want to change up now that we aren't running against a historically unpopular democrat in the primary"

"..."

"Yes I agree, change absolutely nothing at all. We're obviously right about everything and soon everyone will see that. Don't try to expand our coalition. In fact, plan on winning with a total of 30% of the vote after the black vote is split 10 ways. This is a sustainable path to victory in a party dominated by older minority voters as one of its key voting blocs. Great talk everyone."

*No more planning committee meetings*
 

maxxpower

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Sander was his own worst enemy. He lacked the ability to be introspective and adapt. America is ready for his ideas. Polls show that. America is not ready for his ideas when he is shouting he is a Proud Socialist ready to upend the system.

Progressive Ideas have to be wrapped and presented carefully in America. Stupid? sure but that is the reality of it. Ignoring that is going to lose you the majority of American voters.
We need more people like him that shout because he is pissed off with our shitty system. If Americans didn't like that then fuck them. We'll keep stagnating with no changes and the rich will keep getting richer. If that's what y'all want.
 

Driggonny

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Bernie cannot build coalitions with black people, unlike Joe Biden who authored the 94 crime bill, still defends it, and said black kids need to hear the record player and that if you don't vote for him you're not black.
Bernie sucks so much he can't even build coalitions with black people compared to Biden with his history
 

Artdayne

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Nov 7, 2017
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Bernie sucks so much he can't even build coalitions with black people compared to Biden with his history

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Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, so are most of us. But it's never been about what the people want despite that being all you ever hear.
This is a more telling reply than you probably realize!

(Turnout in the March primaries overwhelmingly favored Biden over Bernie, particularly among first-time voters, so as far as what "the people want" goes, turns out what they want was Biden!)

That would be interesting, but if you're so sure, why on earth didn't the Republicans do it years ago? It was always said that they were afraid of what the Democrats would do as soon as Republicans lost control of Congress. And vice versa.
Republicans don't want to govern, they want to dismantle government, so ultimately the filibuster does more to restrain progressive legislation than hamper conservatives. The conservative agenda is predominantly focused on tax cuts, deregulation, and judicial appointments, nothing that requires 60 votes. Even their biggest legislative failure, the ACA repeal, would've only needed a majority.

The filibuster was also a useful excuse for McConnell not to take up the batshit bills coming out of the Republican-led House, not that that's an issue now
 

Venatio

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Oct 25, 2017
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What happened is he ran a shitty campaign and didn't get enough votes. It's not that difficult to understand. And lest we not forget, he probably couldn't even beat Trump today.
 

fontguy

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Oct 8, 2018
16,154
The revolution has to wait since the primaries and polling show he clearly wasn't the right candidate for the moment (electorally, anyway). But Sanders drew a new crop of exciting, intersectional socialists into politics—and the national spotlight. The public option is now the mediocre, centrist compromise, rather than the pie-in-the-sky goal we compromise on. I can't think of a single candidate in modern American politics that, alone and via repeated failures, pushed the Overton window further to the left.

Now, young, crazy, totally unrealistic progressives continue to primary (and occasionally unseat) entrenched, deeply mediocre Democrats every election (eat shit, Engel). It's not the dream, but I think you'll be able to draw a straight line from his campaigns to both our brightest, most principled politicians and our biggest legislative achievements of the next few decades. I am beyond grateful for him.

Vote for Biden.
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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If he wanted to win he easily could have, but he wasn't trying to win. His campaign was about raising awareness and support for his favorite issues, pushing the party as the whole to the left, and in that respect he was quite successful.
 

never

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Oct 28, 2017
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It isn't the ideas, it is him. You can't just hope for increased turnout rather than trying to win over people that voted against you last time. He had virtually everything going for him this time and he totally blew it.

Not sure I get your point here. His ideas are his platform. That platform didn't resonate with primary voters. What am I missing?
 
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I'm trying to understand the title. Why being Swedish has to do with anything at all?

Nothing really, but a lot of times people online assume that you are American and I guess I was just genuinely curious about why progressives doesn't vote for the guy.

He won 7 states out of 50. He just didn't get the turnout he was banking on. Turnout was up from 2016 as well but most just broke for Biden. But honestly, Biden's platform is to the left of Hillary's, which wasn't that far from Labour's. And Presidents historically try to accomplish their campaign promises.

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So, while a disappointment, it's not all doom and gloom.
Thank you so much for this post, man!

FROM what I hear, they are pretty slow on the uptake compared to their neighbors

Seriously?
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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To Bernie's credit, one fault from his 2016 campaign that he absolutely improved on and put in the work for was his outreach to Latino voters. He crushed with Latino voters in Nevada, who continue to remain a weakness of Biden's.

But he did fail to win over black voters and maybe just as crucially senior voters overall (who Biden is actually leading with, the first time a Democrat has led among seniors since I think Bill?). And ultimately the surge in turnout among young and first-time voters that he's been banking on for years just didn't materialize for him.
 

madame x

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Versus a 30 year propaganda campaign against Hilary Clintion (who he lost against in 2016) and and over 12 years worth over Obama.
Hillary had a THIRTY year long propaganda campaign against her, on top of being a woman and all the sexist baggage that entails in American politics. She still beat Sanders.

Yes.
But liberal media was doing it against Bernie. And in a democratic primary they matter more than conservative news.
 
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