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Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition |OT| Link, Young Link, and Toon Link walk into a bar...
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Yeah, they kinda ignored the majority of 2D games, sadly. Lack of Pig Wizard Ganon was always a major disappointment.
Eh, no, non-story mode characters are scattered across the Adventure mode maps. Some are in the first few stages, others further out. Tingle is at the top of the original map, for example (the Level 5 dungeon, or thereabouts).
Musou games are like the first 2 Dead Rising games where you are better off not spending all your time in combat and instead getting somewhere important to get something done. Except Dead Rising fans will scream as loud as possible to remind everyone about it but somehow not Musou fans, which is why there is this reputation that Musou games are mindless, shallows brawlers.
I should buy this but i wonder if i would play it... im currently overwhelmed by games between the switch and PC.
Pretty sure I've been hearing people tell me Musou games are more about strategy and resource management since the dawn of time. But it's easy to not take perceived fanboys seriously. The reviewers don't care for the games because they are, to be fair, all kind of the same. And long to boot.
Then I played one for myself and agreed that the game is much more about strategy. I've never died in a Musou game (aside from Dragon Quest Heroes) - I've usually failed the mission because I didn't manage my time effectively. If you spend all of your time owning peasant fighters you'll probably lose.
Loved this on Wii U so I will have to pick it up soon. Hyrule Warriors was my first Musou so I thought I would love the genre but after trying other Dynasty Warriors games and even the recent Fire Emblem Warriors, thats just not the case.
ugh..this sucks after ready so many reviews\comments on how the framerate is "improved," really hope there is a way to lock it to 30.
I used to make it a personal task to take down the enemy fortresses by defeating the captains and generals before going after the main enemy target to finish the mission.
I treat my Musou games as a form of controlling territories. The more blue forts on the map, means I'm winning. While I could just the same beeline to the boss target and complete the mission, it's not nearly as fun if I don't claim as much territory as possible.
I also like the missions that require you to protect a specific target or prevent a certain base from being invaded adding a degree of defensive strategy rather than a constant of offense, offense, offense.
I want to check out the Empires versions of a more recent Warriors game, because they include some Sim-like management aspects, like making civilians happy, managing war expenses, politics between the other kingdoms, etc, but the time investment might be too much.
Civilization VI is probably a great deal more complex, so I'm not quite sure if I want to get into the hundreds of hours a Warriors game entails on top of military and civilian management stuff. Sounds like a massive time sink.
Isn't the movement intentionally slower than FEW? The characters just feel like they have more weight versus the floaty feeling everyone had in FEW.
I wish the mainline Zelda games hadn't basically dropped melodic soundtracks during their transition to 3d. With Ocarina of Time, it was just the dungeon soundtracks and Lost Woods that went with a more muted environmental direction (but even that was a waste), but that direction seemed to become more and more dominant in later games, even Wind Waker with its bright aesthetic.
Every character in HWs moves at the same speed (even the Link riding Epona moveset only goes faster in the sense that he attacks while moving forward), while in FEWs movement was stat based.
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They may have used some of the stats from the mainline Warrior games. Stuff like Charm of Alacrity on top of stat of like 200 for speed. You could out run escaping enemy generals, when the game forces them to have a higher than normal speed stat for the sake of them trying to get away.
I love Hyrule Warrioes but the main difference to me is the zombies are an actual threat they aren't just standing there and not attacking. If your weapons break and you're low on health you're fucked whereas enemies seem to lack even basic AI and a sense of self preservation in most Musuo games...swarms of troops literally just stand in place in a lot of cases.
I want anyone to go for gold (I think that's what it was) ranks in the U version and tell me there is no depth there, while what you say isn't incorrect, it doesn't mean there isn't something buried in there when you go deeper.
I'm getting flash backs of getting juggled to death in all the hardest settings of the orochi games now thanks
Most reviews tend to just be like you go around mashing buttons killing tons of stuff the end. So it feeds into the stigma the series has
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Yeah, the improvement really depends on whether you can deal with unlocked framerates or not. I don't like them that much, especially if they're closer to the 30 fps range rather than 50-60 (FEW was in that range e.g. and I liked it quite a lot like that).
Were I to say what gets a locked framerate and what doesn't, I'd lock anything at 30 except for games that reach 50 at the minimum. Dropping below 50 results in noticable slowdown for me at least.
I actually like the undocked mode better because of that fact - it's closer to 30 than the docked mode is to 50-60 imo.
That's certainly true and I'm slowly adapting to it. Starting to like it a lot more by now, FEW might feel somewhat lightweight now afterwards. It's a matter of taste, I think.
Ah ok, that explains that. Thanks for the info. Yeah, FEW's chars felt different in terms of speed among each other already.
Well, quite a bunch of things one has to adapt to when switching from FEW to HW. But it's getting better and better and I love the character's unique styles. Impa is awesome imo. Standard Link (with Sword) not so much, sadly.
This is true for FEW and HW, but not for every Musou game. In some games you can get overwhelmed pretty fast, especially in harder difficulties.
But yeah, it's one of my issues with FEW and I guess HW too.
To be fair, musou only got that strategic flavour after KT began introducing challenge modes in DW7 onward and when multiple character switching become a thing. Only when time become an essence and multiple objectives need to be completed simultaneously that musou finally got a proper gameplay depth besides its simplistic brawler mechanic.
His next paragraph pretty much said that the fail state are not triggered by your death to peasants, but usually bad management where you fail to secure or rescue your target in time. Besides, the actual threats are not the mooks that made up the bulk of your KOs but the officers.
Also with KT apparent focus on displaying more enemies on screen, having aggressive mooks could potentially make the game excruciating to play on higher difficulty.
The starting moveset for Link is limited, just wait until you get a better weapon or the Master Sword, then things get a bit more interesting.
Wait, the framerate is not unlocked in portable mode? Maaaan that sucks...
I get why they do that, the battery lasts longer if you cap the framerate. But there should be a toggle. :/
Since docked mode runs at 1080p I'm sure the Switch would get similar framerates in handheld mode since it's 720p, it would run more or less the same if it was unlocked. What a shame :(
I get why they do that, the battery lasts longer if you cap the framerate. But there should be a toggle. :/
Since docked mode runs at 1080p I'm sure the Switch would get similar framerates in handheld mode since it's 720p, it would run more or less the same if it was unlocked. What a shame :(
Yeah base sword link isn't the most exciting it's just a solid move set. Now that moveset with all the master swords perks later... wooooooooo it's a blast and op as hell
I tried to forget tho
Anyone know how to delete a teammate's instructions once they've done whatever you want them to? Like I'll tell somebody to go protect a keep but I can't get them to just act independently again after that, all I can do is give them more instructions otherwise they'll just stand around doing nothing.
Actually, in the very beginning of the series those elements popped up in the main "musou/story" modes themselves. There was a rather heavy morale mechanic in earlier Dynasty Warriors games that pushed the player to run around the battlefield rescuing their troops to keep it high.
That did end up sidelined though, with the focus going to advancing to triggering the next next cutscene event. Samurai Warriors kept a side-objective system going through all of its main entries (many of them involving timed missions too), but it could be ignored if you didn't care about getting ultimate weapons.
Text in handheld mode is really small. You immediately notice that they had time to adjust it for FEW but HW being a port isn't as nicely scaled to the smaller screen.
Aside from that handheld gameplay is very nice imo. Great transition from TV to the undocked Switch. I find it visually more pleasing, too, as the colors look really good on the Switch screen.
Aside from that handheld gameplay is very nice imo. Great transition from TV to the undocked Switch. I find it visually more pleasing, too, as the colors look really good on the Switch screen.
I'm having a blast with the game so far. I never played the other two games, so there just seems like so much content. Fire rod is super fun, Linkle is also a lot of fun to play as. I love all the portrait pieces collecting and weapon progression stuff.
For the most part, enjoying the switch port, the bumped up framerate is a big improvement. =)
Do have a few nitpicks, hoping they'll consider a patch in the future:
- Text is VERY small, it seems like they're using the original Wii U font. Had some difficulty reading even on a big TV
- Trying to do two-player felt very clunky, at least the initial character selection. (this is the biggie for me)
On Wii U, player 2 just had to hit + while player 1 selected a character. Then player 2 could control selecting their own character, and even enter the bazaar.
On switch, I have to L3 myself, *AND* player one controls the character selection. player 2 can't do anything until mission confirmation shows up.
It got a bit annoying to constantly ask "Which character do you want me to pick for you?" =(
As I said, not counting on it, but hoping they'll consider some kinda QOL patch based on feedback.
Do have a few nitpicks, hoping they'll consider a patch in the future:
- Text is VERY small, it seems like they're using the original Wii U font. Had some difficulty reading even on a big TV
- Trying to do two-player felt very clunky, at least the initial character selection. (this is the biggie for me)
On Wii U, player 2 just had to hit + while player 1 selected a character. Then player 2 could control selecting their own character, and even enter the bazaar.
On switch, I have to L3 myself, *AND* player one controls the character selection. player 2 can't do anything until mission confirmation shows up.
It got a bit annoying to constantly ask "Which character do you want me to pick for you?" =(
As I said, not counting on it, but hoping they'll consider some kinda QOL patch based on feedback.
I like the immediate unlocking of content, at least after the first tutorial level. Having like all the non-DLC characters after only 1 level is great, and it didn't take much longer to unlock Young Link in adventure mode.
Plays great on the tablet IMO.
Plays great on the tablet IMO.
I only played the first level before work (~15-20 minutes) but I didn't notice any slowdown and it felt close to 60 although I don't have any real way of knowing. I just know that it felt really smooth and, at least throughout the whole level, never really felt any less smooth.
Sorry that I can't give a more substantive answer.
Holy... Just fought them for the first time and they're really annoying, painfully so. The plants on the other hand were a joke with the new weapon/tool...
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At least docked performance seems to be really good now. The second and third maps were much smoother for me than the first. Doubt it's full 60 fps but it's close enough to not notice any slowdown.
No problem, thanks for the reply.
I'm getting it regardless but it's good to know the game plays smoothly.
I think my most hated enemies in the game are Aeralfos. Just flying around and being annoying, blocking every attack with their stupid shields. Them and Dinolfos.
The worst part is that screeching sound they make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRZraobY5k