thank god for that, it'd be shitty if they "tribe made entirely of women except for one man... who happens to be the ruler"
Cia, Volga and Wizzro were playable in the original Hyrule Warriors, although not until a free update not long after launch. (The Definitive Edition had them from the start, of course)So do we think the villains will actually be playable? It would sort of make sense to have a 'villain campaign' since we already know that they basically win
Thanks, didn't watch anything other than initial trailer so far.THe egg guardian? yeah we already saw him being activated in the TGS demo.
We dont have an in depth explanation yet but it seems the egg is why the champions can use runes in the past.
Cia, Volga and Wizzro were playable in the original Hyrule Warriors, although not until a free update not long after launch. (The Definitive Edition had them from the start, of course)
I hope so! I wonder if the campaign will switch between the good guys and bad guys, or if maybe the villains will have their own campaign? They do win, after all, so I hope they don't have a final battle where you "win" then get a cutscene where you lose.So do we think the villains will actually be playable? It would sort of make sense to have a 'villain campaign' since we already know that they basically win
A lot of those stuff are implied and not shown, that's how they do it.How has a series with a death cult disguised as normal citizens that need to spill Link's blood to resurrect their dark lord since Zelda 2 always maintained an E rating?
The Oracle games, actually.Did BotW's director start with Minish Cap? Can't recall.
I'm betting Evil Dude is a new character, although Vaati is plausible since he's a recurring agent of Ganon.
People shouldn't have been expecting that, frankly. I've been saying all along that Nintendo wasn't going to make Kohga a competent villain leader.I think the confusing part here is that he ACTS like BotW's Kohga. I think people were expecting a master Kohga, but with a different personality to show he's a different character
They make it humorous.How has a series with a death cult disguised as normal citizens that need to spill Link's blood to resurrect their dark lord since Zelda 2 always maintained an E rating?
The video being called « Untold Chronicles » + the memories like effect of BotW make me think both the Yiga and Sheikah researcher duo will be side campaigns.So do we think the villains will actually be playable? It would sort of make sense to have a 'villain campaign' since we already know that they basically win
Holy shit you're right, that totally looks like Yuga
I think you're putting a bit too much stock in the theory that the fortune teller might have been the late queen. The game itself NEVER suggests that. Rhoam, when you talk to him, NEVER suggests that (and you'd think he would, since we're talking about his wife and all). Zelda, in what few interactions you have with her in the present course of the game, NEVER suggests that (and again, since we're talking about her mom, you'd think she would know). That only comes from the book, which itself only adds that line as an afterthought. The only thing we really know for sure is that the the king considered the fortune teller reliable and took this person's warnings and advice seriously."Making A Champion" is a massive book (400+ pages) and insanely detailed. It's all official, straight from the devs. It describes a fortune teller who may have been the late queen, who led the king to discover the Guardians.
True, but my worry is that the playable cast seems like it's going to be a lot smaller than most Warriors games, they just focus on the main cast this time. No mention of an adventure mode either yet
No need to be yelling at me in all-caps, I was just pointing out what the official book said was a possibility. Send your angry letters to Nintendo, not Neiteio!I think you're putting a bit too much stock in the theory that the fortune teller might have been the late queen. The game itself NEVER suggests that. Rhoam, when you talk to him, NEVER suggests that (and you'd think he would, since we're talking about his wife and all). Zelda, in what few interactions you have with her in the present course of the game, NEVER suggests that (and again, since we're talking about her mom, you'd think she would know). That only comes from the book, which itself only adds that line as an afterthought. The only thing we really know for sure is that the the king considered the fortune teller reliable and took this person's warnings and advice seriously.
There's lots of wiggle room for Nintendo to make the fortune teller literally anybody.
I don't think Zelda's mom was Gerudo, but it could still be her. Creating a Champion speculates that they fortune teller was really the queen, on account of the fact that she had the magical powers and that no one else would have been trusted enough for their prophecy to be acted upon. What makes me think this character is Zelda's mom is that her hair appears to be blonde- it's a distinct design choice and I can't actually think of any Zelda villains who had blonde (as opposed to white) hair.The red jewel on the mystery persons forehead is similar to Urbosas.
My crazy theory, Zeldas mom is Gerudo (reason why Urbosa knows her mom well), found calamity Ganons ruins under the castle and got corrupted. Maybe the reason why she had the Yiga clan attack Gerudo town in the treehouse playthrough.
Zant, Ghiram and Gannondorf were all playable in the base game though. That's probably a better parallelCia, Volga and Wizzro were playable in the original Hyrule Warriors, although not until a free update not long after launch. (The Definitive Edition had them from the start, of course)
That's a fair point.Zant, Ghiram and Gannondorf were all playable in the base game though. That's probably a better parallel
Yep. Plus there were multiple story chapters where you got to play as Ganondorf rising to power. I think it's safe to say there will be canon stages in the story where we play as the villains.Zant, Ghiram and Gannondorf were all playable in the base game though. That's probably a better parallel
If you're a Zelda fan, you owe it to yourself to get that book ASAP.I need to get that Creating a Champion book. It sounds like a lot of stuff in Age of Calamity came from it.
I've always been amused by this, as well. Nintendo put more thought and effort into creating the story for BotW than they ever have for any other Zelda game.It's always funny to me how BotW's story was so hated on for not being cinematic and linear when it's EASILY the most effort put into its lore and history than any other Zelda game. We could all theorize for hours. There's a whole 400+ page book about it
Nintendo's missing a tremendous opportunity if the game's Main Event is anything other "Zelda vs. Ganon."I'm curious how the end game will be handled. According to "Creating A Champion," the bulk of Hyrule's army retreated to Akkala Citadel when the Guardians turned, where they fought their last stand. Meanwhile, Guardians pursued Zelda and Link across the Blatchery Plains where the Battle of Fort Hateno took place. So those are two major end-game missions right there.
But I could also see another mission where Link is taken to the Shrine of the Resurrection. There are scrapped Guardians on the Great Plateau, and something destroyed the Temple of Time as well as numerous nearby buildings, columns, stairways, etc. Even the exterior cliffs of the Great Plateau, which are carved with ornate architecture, have extensive damage, suggesting they were under siege at some point.
I can also see the end-game featuring a mission inside Hyrule Castle — according to "Creating A Champion," King Rhoam dies here, at the start of the Calamity, and he likely goes down fighting.
Likewise, I could see a mission in Castle Town that ends with the Guardians turning, and then another mission in Hyrule Field, where the Divine Beasts show up (we see Urbosa piloting Naboris into what appears to be Hyrule Field, although I would need to check the landmarks, i.e. the cardinal direction relative to the Gerudo Highlands in the distance).
I wonder what sort of mission (if any) might frame the deaths of the four Champions. They might recycle maps by having the Champions return to their respective regions at night to defend the homeland, only for the Blight to emerge from their Divine Beast and kill them (a possible boss battle, perhaps).
And I imagine Zelda will have a mission where she returns to the castle with her newfound powers.
I wasn't yelling, I was just emphasizing. Maybe I should have used italics instead. It's just that I've seen you mention this theory a bunch of times now and I wanted to point out that there's nothing in the game itself suggesting this, but only a single line that comes from the book. It doesn't even make sense, because if the fortune-teller really was the queen you'd think Rhoam would say so. He is the one who tells Link about all this, after all, in very matter-of-fact fashion There's nothing in his speech that indicates the fortune teller was his own wife at all.No need to be yelling at me in all-caps, I was just pointing out what the official book said was a possibility. Send your angry letters to Nintendo, not Neiteio!
Right, but it's absolutely worth noting what the book says because the book's info is directly from the Zelda team. They leave open other possibilities, but it's curious they posited the queen.I wasn't yelling, I was just emphasizing. Maybe I should have used italics instead. It's just that I've seen you mention this theory a bunch of times now and I wanted to point out that there's nothing in the game itself suggesting this, but only a single line that comes from the book. It doesn't even make sense, because if the fortune-teller really was the queen you'd think Rhoam would say so. He is the one who tells Link about all this, after all, in very matter-of-fact fashion There's nothing in his speech that indicates the fortune teller was his own wife at all.
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, let's be careful about going gung-ho with the fortune teller being the queen theory, since it seems to go against how the information is actually presented in the game, which should be our highest authority, even moreso than the book. Based on the way both Rhoam and Zelda present themselves in the story, it doesn't seem likely to me that the queen was the fortune teller. I have a hard time believing neither one of them would see fit to mention that if it were the case. If it does turn out to be so, then I would say it's probably something Nintendo changed after BotW's development concluded. Right now I like the idea that the fortune teller was the exiled 8th Gerudo Heroine-turned-Yiga traitor a lot more than that she was the queen. This seems to fit the context and lore of BotW's story and history a lot better.Right, but it's absolutely worth noting what the book says because the book's info is directly from the Zelda team. They leave open other possibilities, but it's curious they posited the queen.
Here's an excerpt from the book:
The fortune teller was a trusted adviser of King Rhoam and predicted the revival of Calamity Ganon and the existence of the ancient relics.
The reason we know that the fortune teller must have been a trusted aid or a high-ranking official is because the king believed the prophecy and acted on it. Alternatively, it's possible that the fortune teller may have been the queen of Hyrule. Women of the royal family have the sacred power to seal but have also been known to have premonitions, Though these theories are speculation, it is difficult to imagine the king believing the words of a common prophet and bringing all of the resources of the nation to act upon those words.
It is impossible to know the fortune teller's identity, since no documentation remains that reveals that information. He or she either perished with the kingdom, was ousted because his or her powers were feared, or went into hiding. However, it is because of this fortune teller's prediction that it was possible to prepare for Calamity Canon's revival at all. The fortune teller is a person of great importance in the history of Hyrule, even if his or her name remains unknown.
For some reason this actually convinces me more that it isn't the queen, and that it is someone mysterious we haven't met.Right, but it's absolutely worth noting what the book says because the book's info is directly from the Zelda team. They leave open other possibilities, but it's curious they posited the queen.
Here's an excerpt from the book:
The fortune teller was a trusted adviser of King Rhoam and predicted the revival of Calamity Ganon and the existence of the ancient relics.
The reason we know that the fortune teller must have been a trusted aid or a high-ranking official is because the king believed the prophecy and acted on it. Alternatively, it's possible that the fortune teller may have been the queen of Hyrule. Women of the royal family have the sacred power to seal but have also been known to have premonitions, Though these theories are speculation, it is difficult to imagine the king believing the words of a common prophet and bringing all of the resources of the nation to act upon those words.
It is impossible to know the fortune teller's identity, since no documentation remains that reveals that information. He or she either perished with the kingdom, was ousted because his or her powers were feared, or went into hiding. However, it is because of this fortune teller's prediction that it was possible to prepare for Calamity Canon's revival at all. The fortune teller is a person of great importance in the history of Hyrule, even if his or her name remains unknown.
I wasn't bothered. Glad you're not upset, tho.Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, let's be careful about going gung-ho with the fortune teller being the queen theory, since it seems to go against how the information is actually presented in the game, which should be our highest authority, even moreso than the book. Based on the way both Rhoam and Zelda present themselves in the story, it doesn't seem likely to me that the queen was the fortune teller. I have a hard time believing neither one of them would see fit to mention that if it were the case. If it does turn out to be so, then I would say it's probably something Nintendo changed after BotW's development concluded. Right now I like the idea that the fortune teller was the exiled 8th Gerudo Heroine-turned-Yiga traitor a lot more than that she was the queen. This seems to fit the context and lore of BotW's story and history a lot better.
But I wasn't yelling, and I wasn't trying to be rude. If I came across that way, I apologize.
Sheik is a male presenting sheikah disguise, created by magic to help hide the fact that, you know, that was the identity Princess Zelda used to hide from Ganondorf for 7 years. Sheik is outwardly presented as a male character at any rate, because it was part of a disguise. I think ruto explicitly calls them a "young male sheikah" when you meet her in the water temple.
And in the same world where depending on intent, you can transform to different races/animals/ giant monsters/basically anything by magic, I don't see why we would also assume that another magic transformation didn't... Go all the way? To be a bit blunt.
I'm sure this argument has been done many times before though.
The book was written by the people who wrote the game, after the DLC was completed. The book says it's possible, so we'll have to wait and see what they decided in the end.Zelda's mother dies when she is six. It's a pivotal moment in her life. If that character is the fortune-teller, it can't be the the queen. (I also agree with what with said about the game contradicting the book's speculation here.)
I know, I'm just saying I agree that the two texts contradict each other.The book was written by the people who wrote the game, after the DLC was completed. The book says it's possible, so we'll have to wait and see what they decided in the end.
My guess is that it's not the queen, but rather some new character -- although I do wonder how this individual gains the king's trustI know, I'm just saying I agree that the two texts contradict each other.
I don't think they can wiggle out of the queen's death, though. Urbosa's trailer (and her DLC story) even emphasized the relationship she has with Zelda as a consequence of it.
Story mode seems to be basically taking Adventure mode into itself this time (like how the last gameplay demo showed weapon locked missions). This does throw a big question mark regarding playable characters, since if everything is done in story mode you'd think everything would be canon, with no extra characters separate from the story.True, but my worry is that the playable cast seems like it's going to be a lot smaller than most Warriors games, they just focus on the main cast this time. No mention of an adventure mode either yet
My guess is that, if Adventure Mode is incorporated into Story Mode this time around, there will be lots of "maybe this happened" type missions where non-pivotal characters are possibly doing things that don't end up making a huge impact in the main history in the end. This is assuming that the whole game will be structured as a series of flashbacks, as if a character, say Zelda herself, is relating the events of the past from personal experience. Zelda could say something like, "I think around this time this person must've gone here or there to do this or that," and we could play through a chapter based on Zelda's (or whoever the storyteller is) speculation about what must've happened.Story mode seems to be basically taking Adventure mode into itself this time (like how the last gameplay demo showed weapon locked missions). This does throw a big question mark regarding playable characters, since if everything is done in story mode you'd think everything would be canon, with no extra characters separate from the story.
I mean not nessecarily, If it's narrated by a third party like say Kass' mentor the story could cover both sides. Or heck it could just cover both sides period with a map change/corruptionStory mode seems to be basically taking Adventure mode into itself this time (like how the last gameplay demo showed weapon locked missions). This does throw a big question mark regarding playable characters, since if everything is done in story mode you'd think everything would be canon, with no extra characters separate from the story.
What gives me pause to the "obviously evil vibe" the char gave in trailer, is the thing where the book describes the fortune teller as a "savior from the shadows".My guess is that it's not the queen, but rather some new character -- although I do wonder how this individual gains the king's trust
The book itself seemed to come down pretty hard on the idea that whoever the fortune teller was, it had to be a good person, or else the king wouldn't have trusted them and followed their advice. The idea that the fortune teller might have deceived the king seems not to have occurred to Nintendo, at least from how the Creating a Champion book presents it.What gives me pause to the "obviously evil vibe" the char gave in trailer, is the thing where the book describes the fortune teller as a "savior from the shadows".
Of course, that could be an embellishment for the sake of leaving it open-ended for Nintendo's writers, but it makes me think the teller isn't evil.
Maybe they're playing the long game that errs on the side of good, even if it does also mean setting up events that lead to Hyrule's downfall.
Yeah the world map being the mission select screen does make it seem like it'll serve as the adventure mode for this game. That just makes me a little worried about the variety of content in this. I was hoping that a side adventure mode would be able to incorporate some enemies or characters from other Zelda games to help keep things fresh.Story mode seems to be basically taking Adventure mode into itself this time (like how the last gameplay demo showed weapon locked missions). This does throw a big question mark regarding playable characters, since if everything is done in story mode you'd think everything would be canon, with no extra characters separate from the story.
This is an interesting theory.
I don't think it's MIdna but a Twili could be neat.