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Hyrule Warriors : Age of Calamity will not have online multiplayer. It’s 2020. How is this acceptable.
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I mean, they also made Ultimate Alliance 3 on Switch and that had online multiplayer...along other games for Nintendo.
So "is Nintendo" doesn't apply in this case. :p
But who knows, maybe they have data that shows is not worth the effort? Is like Mortal Kombat; were they removed tag team because their data showed people barely used it and the time and resources involved into balancing it were not worth it...and people still ask them to implement it back (fully -MK11 has it across a few modes/matches) just because.
The option would be nice; but is not like they haven't done online multiplayer on Switch or that Nintendo told them not to.
So "is Nintendo" doesn't apply in this case. :p
But who knows, maybe they have data that shows is not worth the effort? Is like Mortal Kombat; were they removed tag team because their data showed people barely used it and the time and resources involved into balancing it were not worth it...and people still ask them to implement it back (fully -MK11 has it across a few modes/matches) just because.
The option would be nice; but is not like they haven't done online multiplayer on Switch or that Nintendo told them not to.
This is simply not true. Otherwise threads like this wouldn't explode like this.
Yeah my primary concern is normally that the publisher saves money by stripping out basic features at the expense of the player's experience, too. Nintendo cannot afford such luxuries with a niche IP like Zelda at this juncture.
Using phrases like "defense force" and "shoveling shit" won't really help you get your point across, it makes you sound more like a toxic console warrior.
Yeah uh... OP shouldn't be banned for this. He's just upset that there isn't online multiplayer in this game. 3 days is overkill. I mean c'mon now. I'm NOT attacking the mods. 3 days is just overkill. Give him a warning or something instead.
Even though Donkey Kong wasn't the point, OP mentioned it. I simply stated that I don't think all games need to have online multiplayer. There's no reason to be extra salty.
no but all the games OP has listed would be so much better with and if they were on any other platform people would be furious if it wasn't there.
and let's not forget this is online that we pay for now
On the same system, yeah.
And I agree that this is a bummer. Between the three options, I wanted either online or local on two consoles. We only seem to be getting split screen. Lame
I'm a PC player and I own every console. I've worked on a game that released on Switch. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticize what I see as continual failings by Nintendo.
No online game is perfect. Never played maker 2 online, but never had much issue with kart. Arms is actually one of the better online games for a fighting game that doesn't (apparently) use rollback netcode. Some people are even convinced it does due to how good it is.
I couldn't agree more OP
ESP as we pay for online now
I do t know what is going on at Nintendo these days - they have removed any kind of Amiibo functionality from games yet stil release new ones
games that run poorly like Lunks Awakening - totally ignored
I really don't like it one bit and I agree with you 'oh it's nintendo' doesn't wash anymore
ESP as we pay for online now
I do t know what is going on at Nintendo these days - they have removed any kind of Amiibo functionality from games yet stil release new ones
games that run poorly like Lunks Awakening - totally ignored
I really don't like it one bit and I agree with you 'oh it's nintendo' doesn't wash anymore
Guess I need to get my eyes checked because for some reason I thought OP said the Wii U version had online.
Every warriors game that isn't from Nintendo or the Persona spin off has online multiplayer afaik
Its kinda crazy that theya are still doing offline co-op in this game. It may have been easier to not do offline co-op and just do online only. Im curious to see the slowdown that will happen it kinda helps this type of games moments to me haha. These types of games are great in Co-Op.
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the original Hyrule Warriors does not have online co-op. Just couch co-op
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Welp, ducking out of this thread. No one reads the damn OP.
Heh the funny thing is that most people responding in this thread agree that online MP would be a nice addition.
Yet, unless you are willing to light a Nintendo HQ building on fire about it you are gonna be painted as some apologist or defender.
There are more shades than Black and White.
'Launching a console without a big new first party exclusive is unacceptable'
'But most people picking up a Series S/X (including me) are gonna be happy playing games from GamePass and new 3rdParty releases'
"No i decided its unacceptable and if you are still buying a Xbox this fall you are a MS apologist'
'Erm okay'
Thread with a valid point turned quickly into the usual console war exxegaration because people want to turn everything into a Holy War about plattform holders and how good or bad they been treating you.
It's one thing to not read the OP but they didn't even read the post directly above theirs.
Same boat as others here: it sucks it ain't there and it'd be really nice to have (IMO all of these musou games benefit letting you have a buddy) but it isn't a dealbreaker.
AoC has already been confirmed to have local multiplayer, yet no online.
I am so, so fucking sick of giving Nintendo a pass on this shit. Especially in times like these.
-The Dynasty Warriors series and it's spin-offs have had online multiplayer as part of nearly every one of their games for OVER A DECADE.
-You know what games in this criteria and time frame don't have online multiplayer? The Nintendo ones. Hyrule Warriors (2014), Fire Emblem Warriors (2017), and Hyrule Warriors Legends/Switch (2016/2018).
-As far as I can tell, aside from the ones that only offer single player (aka Persona 5 Scramble) and possibly a few stragglers I missed from the early 2010's (although I'm really not sure if there are any), these are the ONLY games in this group that have not featured online multiplayer. So please don't come in with the "IT'S GOTTA BE KOEI'S DOING NO WAY GORGEOUS SEXY NINTENDO WOULD HAVE A SAY IN THIS EVEN THOUGH THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME".
This is fucking bullshit. And along with the last point, for the love of god don't post senseless purely defensive options like "it doesn't need it" or "no one even cares".
My best friend was my former roommate. When Hyrule Warriors on the Wii U came out, 85% of the time we played it in co-op. It was an absolute blast. Nearly every single day after work, we'd start chipping away at adventure mode. Some of the best gaming memories of my life, really.
When Hyrule Warriors re-released on the Switch, we were pumped. But we don't live together anymore, and the game (fucking SOMEHOW) did not include online multiplayer in the update to the Switch. We debated it but especially since we'd already played it so much before, neither of us bought it, when we would have in a heartbeat if it had online. Fuck we probably would have bought Fire Emblem Warriors if it had online even though we don't give much of a shit about FE, but of course it also didn't fucking have it for some god damn reason.
Now, here comes the release of AoC. That same friend loved BotW more than he's ever loved a Zelda game before. Combine that with his love for HW, and needless to say he and I were ecstatic at the announcement. But that joy was quickly deflated when we learned it only had local co-op. During this pandemic, we're even less likely to see each other if at all. Being able to play this game with him online would have been a warm, cozy house in the middle of a fucking shit storm. So it may not mean a lot to you, but it means a hell of a lot to me and I'm sure there are plenty of others in a similar boat. Don't be a jerk.
Yet alas, even though the Switch's whole deal is that being able to play on your own individual console is awesome, even though we're in the middle of a pandemic, even though it's fucking 2020 and it's CRAZY THAT THIS IS STILL A THING, AoC does not have online multiplayer. "Pass a joycon to a friend!!" they say. Fuck you I say.
Games Nintendo have released recently (or are releasing shortly) that have no online when they absolutely fucking should have:
-Every Wii U port besides 3D World. That they charge 60$ for
-Tropical Freeze
-NSMBU
-Pikmin 3
-Hyrule Warriors
-Fire Emblem Warriors
-Kirby Star Allies
-Super Mario Party (yeah it's got a shit online mode but let's be real it doesn't count).
-Yoshi's Crafted World
And that's not even counting the games that have online multiplayer, but are severely limited in basic features, like playing with friends. Such as the recently released Super Mario Bros. 35.
Super Mario 3D World is gonna have online, and that was extremely surprising and wonderful announcement. But it should not be that surprising that they're finally doing with that game what they should have done with all these others. This should be the rule, not the exception.
I know everyone is hype for a new Zelda game, but don't feel like you can't ask questions just because it's something you want so bad. That's what they want. I know I for one am beyond done on this shit and I won't be picking up the game at launch. I want answers.
Dude. Calm down. Musou online isnt generally good on any console. Knowing this and seein it on switch was probably enough to CORRECTLY not put it in.
A poorly implemented mode is FAR WORSE than not implementing it at all. It costs time and resources and not only adds nothing when its bad but it takes away from what is there already.
Hell multiple musou online systems had you seein folk somewhere on your screen they were nowhere near and often youd desync and both kill the same officer so itd go nuts calculating stuff goin up and down on kills. Even pickups got out of whack in this series online.
So chill. This aint "how can Nintendo get away with it!?" Time here. Its more like how can koei get its rampant history of bad musou online lag and desync issues in check.
Just be glad two player split screen works in this title because for years that was also busted and shared some of the online modes issues. Mainly it made spawn rates so slow and awful youd run out of time trying to get officers and generals to appear.
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Jesus Christ I don't even care too much for the game (found Hyrule Warriors kinda fun at kiosks but doubt I'd ever have fun long term, especially for $60), but some of the takes here are fucking awful.
How the fuck can people defend basic features being missing from the game using the excuse of "Eh, I don't use it"? May as well remove every character from the game but Link and Zelda, since you won't use anybody else, or remove Pro Controller support from the game because, well, those are too expensive anyway.
How the fuck can people defend basic features being missing from the game using the excuse of "Eh, I don't use it"? May as well remove every character from the game but Link and Zelda, since you won't use anybody else, or remove Pro Controller support from the game because, well, those are too expensive anyway.
Nintendo, as the publisher and licenser of the game, can make any demand they want to the developer and they have to comply or the contract can be terminated. If Nintendo says "Add Pikachu to the game" and KT says no, Nintendo can just pull the rug out from under them and end the project completely. What's the worst that can happen to them, Nintendo loses a few million from an early termination? They've lost worse, and I'm sure they have plenty of stipulations added to the contract anyway to make it so their will is as strongly imposed as possible.
Right or wrong, it seems the issue is that Nintendo doesn't view it as basic features. It seems a lot of their consumers agree.
It seems to me that Nintendo tends to view certain games as online multiplayer types and others as single player or coop multiplayer.
I know ill still be gettin the game because in musou online dont add shit.
Online has never been a draw in the musou series period. Its neat for adventure maps in theory but in reality their online is never good and anything that makes spawn rates slow to a crawl where clearing keeps and generals fast for s ranking quickly means time is a factor. Its not easier by jumping online and then crippling the stages spawn rates so online isnt really useful.
Koei Admitting that their musou online is expensive to even attempt and always so lackluster you may as well cut it is a good call imo. Now they can focus their time and resources into the gameplay and content more. Which given what a step back dw9, orochi 4 and warriors all stars were is much needed. When koei comes out and says in an interview before their anniversary that they ventured too far on gimmicks and iffy mechanics and its hurt them lately it tells you they need all the effort they can spare on gameplay.
Online has never been a draw in the musou series period. Its neat for adventure maps in theory but in reality their online is never good and anything that makes spawn rates slow to a crawl where clearing keeps and generals fast for s ranking quickly means time is a factor. Its not easier by jumping online and then crippling the stages spawn rates so online isnt really useful.
Koei Admitting that their musou online is expensive to even attempt and always so lackluster you may as well cut it is a good call imo. Now they can focus their time and resources into the gameplay and content more. Which given what a step back dw9, orochi 4 and warriors all stars were is much needed. When koei comes out and says in an interview before their anniversary that they ventured too far on gimmicks and iffy mechanics and its hurt them lately it tells you they need all the effort they can spare on gameplay.
Man I will never understand hardcore fanboyism. Defending games, sure. But ignoring flaws that have otherwise been considered staples for years on end is just asinine.
If I see two people, one of which who defends various weird action a company makes and a person calling out blatant mishaps, I'm not going to call the later the fanboy out of the two of them lol
How does this even make sense? What console is the implied allegiance to??? The only console warrior implications I see are from the people blindly defending blatant faults like this. No one has a vendetta against Nintendo just because they call out the obvious. That accusation makes entirely no sense.
If I see two people, one of which who defends various weird action a company makes and a person calling out blatant mishaps, I'm not going to call the later the fanboy out of the two of them lol
Additional features, especially if they are as huge as online multiplayer often come at the cost of other possible content I might care more about (and to care more about something than online multiplayer is a very low threshold), so I have no desire to urge any developer to invest into online multiplayer. The question was why it is accetable to not have multiplayer, and while I am not up in arms about a possible inclusion of online multiplayer (as long as it does not hurt the always offline singleplayer experience), I have no trouble accepting the absence of online mp. Do you find the absence of features that you don't use anyway (and are not accessibility features) unacceptable?
Why does this game need online?
It's a BOTW prequel more than a musou, so IMO it doesn't even need multiplayer at all.
It's a BOTW prequel more than a musou, so IMO it doesn't even need multiplayer at all.
While online would DEFINITELY be nice to have , I'm sure it came down to what they could feasibly deliver on time.
They probably prioritized things other than online - which is REALLY hard to deliver with a good QoS - in the turnaround that they had, and figured that it was an acceptable sacrifice. The amount of people who actually do online multiplayer is probably so negligible that it wasn't worth the effort.
I totally understand the disappointment and I think it's really fair to find it a shame, but I also understand the constraints and debates that go behind these decisions so I'm not outraged.
They probably prioritized things other than online - which is REALLY hard to deliver with a good QoS - in the turnaround that they had, and figured that it was an acceptable sacrifice. The amount of people who actually do online multiplayer is probably so negligible that it wasn't worth the effort.
I totally understand the disappointment and I think it's really fair to find it a shame, but I also understand the constraints and debates that go behind these decisions so I'm not outraged.
I don't think I implied I wanted garbage online; I'm surprised I have to clarify. It should be standard for DW games to have good online, considering I love the local co-op in them and have since DW2.
Because it has multiplayer, and we're still in a pandemic. I ain't inviting friends over to play in my living room.
It does? Honestly didn't know that.
Then it probably should have online but again, being a BOTW prequel, I would never play it like that so I very much excuse it not being there.
Coop is the best way to play Musou games. You should try sometime. It's very fun.
I played Hyrule Warriors with local co-op on Wii U. It was great. The asymmetrical multiplayer using the GamePad and the TV was real neat; I wish more games on Wii U did it.
Yea ,i dunno why people are celebrating 3D world's onlin just yet. With Nintendo anything can happen when it comes to online