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Human sack of rubbish Piers Morgan claims black people calling him a ‘fat, white gammon’ is racist
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It's not a hot take, it's my honest opinion. I don't think anyone can argue that gammon is not a racist term, people are just saying that it doesn't really matter because it is against white people.
If you call someone a gammon they will take it that racial comments are 'fair play'.
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So it's racist and sexist?
gammon isn't racist though
just cause the nuclear nine resembled a table spread doesn't mean they all do. gammon is an ideology
So you can call a black person a gammon? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the term which is fair enough.
No, but I can't really think of many red faced gammonettes, I'm not against it being used for women.
Title of thread should've just been, "Fat, white gammon Piers Morgan claims black people calling him a 'fat, white gammon' is racist
sure if they're gammon. James Cleverly, gammon as fuck
it's generally right wing (not always tho), wants to nuke everything, hates immigrants. that's gammon, the fact so many look like angry meat is just serendipity
So, although it literally refers to their skin colour, it's nothing to do with their skin colour. Seems convenient.
oh I must have missed the centuries of oppression middle aged white men suffered due to the pigment of their skin
Yeah, make up probably makes it harder to think of one, all I know is that white gammon doesn't work, they need to look like they are on the verge of exploding.
Actually I'm not sure about Hopkins, she never seems shouty, she seems fairly at ease with being awful.
This thread doesn't sit well with me.
I'm black and my secondary school was predominantly black and asian kids. One of the kids in my class had to suffer persistent abuse for being white, to the point where he'd threaten to kill himself, would slam his head against the wall and scream throughout class. He had mental problems and his situation only made it that much worse.
The way some of you are acting like white people can't be on the receiving end of racism.. Nah.
Obviously I hate Piers Morgan too, but the gammon thing never sat right with me. Just allows worms like him to play the victim while others might feel the actual consequences of the hate that's brewing.
I'm black and my secondary school was predominantly black and asian kids. One of the kids in my class had to suffer persistent abuse for being white, to the point where he'd threaten to kill himself, would slam his head against the wall and scream throughout class. He had mental problems and his situation only made it that much worse.
The way some of you are acting like white people can't be on the receiving end of racism.. Nah.
Obviously I hate Piers Morgan too, but the gammon thing never sat right with me. Just allows worms like him to play the victim while others might feel the actual consequences of the hate that's brewing.
Such a non sequitur.
I want less racism, not more. If you feel using the term helps reduce racism then fair enough. I think it increases racism.
Sure that'd be great but probably not happening in this country when this is the reaction to people who suffer the effects of actual racism in this country. It's like when people claim 'racist' is a slur.
I don't think racism has historically been an issue for white people, so the use of 'white' and 'gammon' as insults towards white people seems less like a problem because it doesn't recall centuries of oppression.
Mind you, it could also just be the Piers Morgan effect whereby anything negative directed towards the man, physical and emotional, regardless of how technically egregious it is, can be seen as deserved because he's an awful, awful man.
I don't think it's a problem because it hurts white people's feelings or white people will be discriminated against for housing or jobs or criminal sentencing, etc in countries where they are the majority.
I think it's a problem because it is a racist term and it makes racism more acceptable.
Piers Morgan constantly has an expression on his face like he can smell his own fart and he's not sure about whether he likes it or not.
You obviously don't understand the meaning of "gammon" then. It's not related to race. It's a class/boomer thing.
The problem with Piers saying this is that he legitimately is a voice and a platform for these viewpoints and the people who believe in them.
It's just adding building blocks. He is speaking for people who already don't think racism is an issue in Britain, who don't think people like Meghan Markle are being racially targeted, who absolutely do not like being told that they're being racist, and now they even have an angle to feel like they are the ones experiencing racism.
Piers speaks to and for substantial swathes of Britain who can now add a sense of persecution to their inherent and rampant ignorance.
It's just adding building blocks. He is speaking for people who already don't think racism is an issue in Britain, who don't think people like Meghan Markle are being racially targeted, who absolutely do not like being told that they're being racist, and now they even have an angle to feel like they are the ones experiencing racism.
Piers speaks to and for substantial swathes of Britain who can now add a sense of persecution to their inherent and rampant ignorance.
I think it originates from Nicholas Nickelby. If I remember correctly from hearing it last year one of the characters referred to another's comments as 'gammon-ey' because of their red-faced, blind extolling of the country's greatness.
It's modern usage originates from 9 red faced old duffers who dared to question the dear leader over his stance on nukes in the 2017 UK general election on question time. See the pic posted up thread. Nothing to do with race really. That's just a coincidence.
I mean it is racist, but it's kind of hard to care about when it's used against racist dickheads like Piers or random Brexit voter.
Because people keep making threads about him and keeping him relevant.
If we all just ignored him....
lol dude it ain't this forum keeping him in work, this is his dayjob
He's a vile cunt and his insane obsessive hatred of Meghan shouldn't be allowed on broadcast TV, or anywhere else for that matter.
White middle aged/old Englishman that's right wing and goes a shade of pink when mad. Coined after a bunch of then asked questions on a weekly British show called 'Question Time' which is basically the public asking questions to and criticising important politicians, media figures, business leaders, etc... To their faces.
Used to be an okay show but since Brexit has become utter shit.
Ehhhh i can see his point, ive used the term gammon to describe people im white but maybe that doesnt make it right. The phrase only works when describing a white person therefore It is racially charged.
Remember, we are not them & he's right here. He is still a grade A vile prick & absolutely a hypocrite as he is a racist himself. Also didnt he hack dead childrens phones to get a scoop for the news of the world? Seriously despise the UK media for still giving this criminal any time of day.
Remember, we are not them & he's right here. He is still a grade A vile prick & absolutely a hypocrite as he is a racist himself. Also didnt he hack dead childrens phones to get a scoop for the news of the world? Seriously despise the UK media for still giving this criminal any time of day.
The importance difference here is that you get the gammon moniker because of your views and actions.
These are things that people can fairly judge you on.
If you are a middle aged, slightly rotund, English gent marching for Remain or refugees, no one is calling you a gammon.
If someone is being actually racist, they are doing it based entirely on someone's skin colour or heritage. Something they can't change and should never have to.
The trap they are pulling here is to equate the two to both derail the original discussion and also shift what focus onto the people of colour. This happens all the time. What's starts as a discussion of racism against black people ends up with black people having to defend themselves from accusations of racism. It's mad!
The problem of course is that many people in the UK and elsewhere think that because overt racism is no longer common place, that means that racism is over. Speak to people of colour and they will not agree with that assessment and they probably know better than Piers Morgan.
Man thats a damn good write up and a fair point about Gammon being a reaction to the persons views, but as you said this gives them an opportunity to turn it round, because it is a racist remark. Like you said it puts the 2 arguments on equal footing when their not at all. I think the answer is to stop using gammon and giving the racists more ammunition.
No-one said ignoring racism, but this guy needs deplatforming and this would be a small step.