You were being elitist and bragging, if you actually gave a shit you'd have said something like this from the start.Everything but the electric car /applicance switchover can be done on a modest budget.
LED bulbs aren't that expensive, simple smart plugs can be had for $20 -- throw one of those ahead of a $10 powerbar that you plug your tv/console/pc into and you're on your way.
Not sure what my financial situation has to do with anything, just be conscious of your consumption, do your best to reduce it, and it will fucking help.
All those clean life choices, and yet you choose to be toxic.Everything but the electric car /applicance switchover can be done on a modest budget.
LED bulbs aren't that expensive, simple smart plugs can be had for $20 -- throw one of those ahead of a $10 powerbar that you plug your tv/console/pc into and you're on your way.
Not sure what my financial situation has to do with anything, just be conscious of your consumption, do your best to reduce it, and it will fucking help.
Lol he came into the thread like:You were being elitist and bragging, if you actually gave a shit you'd have said something like this from the start.
That's literally the two biggest differences you're making, and they're dependent on being at least somewhat well-off. A lot of people just can't afford to live green.
Individual changes are a grain of salt in a desert, you need wide policy changes for it to actually matter. Also do you eat meat or own pets? Animal agriculture is a major contributor to our predicament.Everything but the electric car /applicance switchover can be done on a modest budget.
LED bulbs aren't that expensive, simple smart plugs can be had for $20 -- throw one of those ahead of a $10 powerbar that you plug your tv/console/pc into and you're on your way.
Not sure what my financial situation has to do with anything, just be conscious of your consumption, do your best to reduce it, and it will fucking help.
Ahhh, the "avocado toast" argument. Was waiting for that.I don't disagree and I'm not blind to that fact, but I think the whole "I can't afford it therefore I choose not to do it" argument is an unfortunately flawed one.
A lot of people can't afford a lot of things, but if you manage to make even a small change when possible, it will eventually cascade into a bigger change down the line.
I didn't switch my home over to all the smart shit overnight, it took years of buying one plug here or one plug there instead of getting myself some shitty fast food for dinner.
Keep an eye on sales for LED lights, look for incentives to help lessen the burden of cost - if you're serious about helping and don't want to just armchair comment (and I am NOT saying that applies to anyone here / in this thread), then the effort should be made.
While it's true, we as individuals should being doing more. It's a drop in the ocean (no pun intended) compared to the impact that our governments should be making.
That's nice and all, but if your power is connected to a coal power plant or something, it will matter little in the long run. The types of changes needed are at the national and global level with investment and building of low emissions energy production, banning greenhouse pollution as much as possible, forcing companies to produce with a full product loop taken into consideration, etc. At this point, that's what we need. Some of this individual stuff is pissing into the wind.Says the person on the internet forum, what steps have you personally taken to curb global warming? (not an attack, it's an actual question)
I've:
- Replaced all bulbs with LEDs
- Set all major electronics and vampire draining tech to be on killswitches when not in use (smart plugs to fully block power drain)
- Replaced the entirety of my appliances with energy efficient ones
- Utilize rain barrels to reduce water consumption
- Own an electric vehicle
I'm working towards solar as my main source of energy as well, but that's an affordability thing.
Far too many people say "We should do something" but then proceed to live their life thinking individual choices don't matter, but they do, because the less we end up using, the less needs to be generated and hopefully it all trickles back upward.
But you immediately judge everyone without even first knowing what steps they do take, and force us to measure up to your righteous and somewhat expensive standards when a lot of us can't even afford a medical emergency.I don't disagree and I'm not blind to that fact, but I think the whole "I can't afford it therefore I choose not to do it" argument is an unfortunately flawed one.
Everyone on this forum could achieve a net zero carbon footprint and it wouldn't make a difference.Far too many people say "We should do something" but then proceed to live their life thinking individual choices don't matter, but they do, because the less we end up using, the less needs to be generated and hopefully it all trickles back upward.
You were being elitist and bragging, if you actually gave a shit you'd have said something like this from the start.
Individual changes are a grain of salt in a desert, you need wide policy changes for it to actually matter. Also do you eat meat or own pets? Animal agriculture is a major contributor to our predicament.
That's ridiculous talk.Everyone on this forum could achieve a net zero carbon footprint and it wouldn't make a difference.
Pretty much. A single corporation probably does 10,000 times the damage a single individual could actually make up for.Everyone on this forum could achieve a net zero carbon footprint and it wouldn't make a difference.
That's nice and all, but if your power is connected to a coal power plant or something, it will matter little in the long run. The types of changes needed are at the national and global level with investment and building of low emissions energy production, banning greenhouse pollution as much as possible, forcing companies to produce with a full product loop taken into consideration, etc. At this point, that's what we need. Some of this individual stuff is pissing into the wind.
And unfortunately there seems to be little to appetite to making those types of massive infrastructure changes and investment.
our A/C went out in early July. In MN. Our thermostat showed it was high 80s inside at night some nights, and our basement (we have basements ;) ) was basically sweating.Felt that line about power outages.
Here in Texas our A/C died in the dead of summer and I don't know how we made it the two days without getting a hotel tbh.
Was showering with freezing water right before bed and sleeping after midnight with a fan in my face just to get some sleep before the sun came up and made it impossible to not wake up covered in sweat.
But you immediately judge everyone without even first knowing what steps they do take, and force us to measure up to your righteous and somewhat expensive standards when a lot of us can't even afford a medical emergency.
Articles written that millennials have no right to complain about being poor because of how much they spend on frivolities like avocado toast. Basically saying that hardships are self-made and can be solved simply by budgeting them away. That's basically what you just did. And, like the article, it's ivory-tower horseshit.
I wonder when the US will force Canada into merging with it.When will the mass migrations(or military invasions) of Canada, Russia and the Nordic lands begin?
Articles written that millennials have no right to complain about being poor because of how much they spend on frivolities like avocado toast. Basically saying that hardships are self-made and can be solved simply by budgeting them away. That's basically what you just did.
That's nice and all, but if your power is connected to a coal power plant or something, it will matter little in the long run. The types of changes needed are at the national and global level with investment and building of low emissions energy production, banning greenhouse pollution as much as possible, forcing companies to produce with a full product loop taken into consideration, etc. At this point, that's what we need. Some of this individual stuff is pissing into the wind.
And unfortunately there seems to be little to appetite to making those types of massive infrastructure changes and investment.
I never said anything to the contrary.Considering the common people have elected climate change deniers like Trump and Bolsonaro, they don't get to avoid the blame. Climate Change is a good example of the Tragedy of the Commons: a problem with so many people responsible (in this case 7.5 billion) for it that everyone feels they're not part of the problem. So what happens is nothing gets done to solve the problem because no one is willing to admit blame and change their behaviour. They'd rather point fingers at other people.
Look up to see what happened with the Atlantic Cod to get a taste of what will happen with Climate Change.
You just needed to replace Avocado toast with a Tessla Model 3 and he just might have gained some self reflection.Articles written that millennials have no right to complain about being poor because of how much they spend on frivolities like avocado toast. Basically saying that hardships are self-made and can be solved simply by budgeting them away. That's basically what you just did. And, like the article, it's ivory-tower horseshit.
More like "send them back".
In the example, it's millennials being talked down to by boomers. More broadly (and thus more to the source of the ire), it's someone from a place of advantage talking down to a less-advantaged group of people like they know better or have any understanding of their circumstance.I was born in '85, technically I fall within the definition of "Millenial".
And I was referring to myself in my post RE: fast food, so did I avacado myself?
Honestly I am really nervous about a massive climate induced migration and what it will mean for the world. I live in New England so I think I'll be okay, even though it will become way hotter than I'd like it to here. I wonder if I'll ever need to try to move to Canada.
In the example, it's millennials being talked down to by boomers. More broadly (and thus more to the source of the ire), it's someone from a place of advantage talking down to a less-advantaged group of people like they know better or have any understanding of their circumstance.
Better understood now?
my lungs sound like a jet engine
How nice of you to have enough disposable income to own a car.Very.
And It is not (and was not) my intent on telling people how to spend their money or what to prioritize in their own lives, but it does go back to my first post in this thread: A lot of people will comment and say "we should do something", and then don't. This isn't exclusive to climate change - this applies to politics / voting / gun control, you name it.
The one thing I've recognized in my life that I can do to have a (hopefully) positive change in the world is being energy conscious. I choose to dedicate what disposable income I have to try and reduce my carbon footprint, to try and at least know that I'm doing whatever the hell I can in that regard.
No one is perfect, and in a thread about the effects of climate change I've chosen to be passionate about it. It's clearly rubbed people the wrong way, but that is also part of the larger problem. There are posters in this thread that have essentially singled defeatism that the only meaningful change can come from governments and corporations -- sure they will make a bigger impact, absolutely, but individual contributions are a huge component of permanent change. Corporations come and go, government policies change and laws and regulations get undone at the swipe of a pen, but if you make the choice personally to be more eco-responsible, it lasts more than the four years of any government's stay in power.
Friendly reminder that placing the blame on any individual doesn't solve problems.Far too many people say "We should do something" but then proceed to live their life thinking individual choices don't matter, but they do, because the less we end up using, the less needs to be generated and hopefully it all trickles back upward.
Or old enough to know they will have checked out before the shit really hits the fan.The people that have the real power to tackle this problem are wealthy enough to protect themselves from the majority of climate change's effects and thus don't give a fuck.
We're fucked.