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HUGE crowd at Andrew Yang LA Rally!
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Reverse Income Tax brackets.
also UBI does fuck all to help minorities whos entire oppression systems will still be in place.
Do we really have people here arguing that positive stereotypes of minorities are a good thing?
Jesus H...
Jesus H...
I see this argument everywhere, and it'll never not annoy me. The disconnect is so fucking strong.
I'm saying its a good thing to gain trust/attention from low info/identity politics voters. Thats why Yang is doing it. And i'm not saying its a good thing but is it that bad?
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It's not yang is proposing that current welfare systems remain in place.
E. G if someone is getting $1500 a month through various welfare programs they can stay on that, but if Somone is getting $600 welfare, they can opt in for UBI and get the $1000, but not get there other $600 benifits.
That's it? Him making a joke about knowing a lot of doctors because he's Asian gets that kind of vitriol from you and accusations that he's kowtowing to the alt-right?
That's why it's a bad proposal... it's a right wing UBI plan. It's an excuse to get rid of all social safety nets including social security, UBI is inherently a band-aid solution to a larger problem.
Why when we can just give that money to big business in hoping it would trickle down to the average people for the 100th time. While they make money from our data and automate our jobs away when we raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour?
but you can still keep all of your current support programs if they net you more than the 1k a month.
i was under the impression that this forum thought current welfare programs didn't give the downtrodden enough autonomy, this is a fantastic answer to that.
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What I said is the opposite, existing benifit programs will remain. But if you want UBI any program you are in will be deducted from the $1000 Ubi
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I guess I need to understand your background in understanding the Asian-American experience, the model minority myth and it's usage against other people of color as a wedge and vehicle to promote, apply and institutionalize discriminatory policies against other groups of color.
I guess I need to understand your background in understanding the Asian-American experience, the model minority myth and it's usage against other people of color as a wedge and vehicle to promote, apply and institutionalize discriminatory policies against other groups of color.
And yet look at how much attention and praise Beto gets around here.
Are there people on here saying Beto is going to get more delegates than Warren?
78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. While the rich is getting richer and some Trillion dollars companies are paying ZERO in Federal taxes while destroying thousands of small business/ mom & pops stores.
How does the UBI, an extra $1000 ( 12k a year ) a month to all Adult American Citizens not help with income inequality?
Betos running for vice president though, and where are people saying beto will beat warren? I'd call them out too.
It wouldn't necessarily help with income inequality, since everyone gets it, but it would at least provide some basic level of existence to everyone regardless of their situation.
Yang's version of it doesn't go far enough and gets the money from the wrong place. He's gutting welfare to do it when he should be taxing CEOs and mega-corps. Plus the monthly number needs to be closer to $2k/month to have the effect everyone would like it to. If your goal is to redistribute the money then you've actually gotta do that.
It would if you taxed the uber-wealthy and mega-corps to pay for it.
Yang has goodish ideas
That doesn't mean he gets to be president.
inexperience in government kills it for me.
That doesn't mean he gets to be president.
inexperience in government kills it for me.
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing Concerns of Stereotyping Over Multiple Posts in this Thread
yeah he cracks some positive asian steteotype jokes to win the layman over and show he's not crazy uptight politician. i think that's fine.
Wait, is that Yang's proposal? So if someone is disabled and using government programs to get by they're still going to be struggling to survive because the programs gets deducted from the UBI?
no, if you currently make 1500 of of government programs you get to keep the full 1500. if you make 900, you can forgo those benefits for 1000 in cash.
You think America is ready for that? That sounds extremely aggressive, not sure most people would be ok with that.
Yeah, he's basically getting the money from welfare instead of redistributing it. Plus the monthly number is too low to actually be basic income, it'll maybe be enough to cover rent and that's it.
That's what UBI is. It's taking the money from the rich people and redistributing it so that everyone's basic needs are covered. It's supposed to be a way to deal with automation, basically taking all the productivity and money created and allowing us to just not need to worry about having a crap job just to survive.
Of course, Yang's version is too small to have any of the actual benefits the policy is meant to have.
Wait, did he state that was his goal? Wealth redistribution is not a concept that gets a lot of support in this country.
That entirely depends on where you choose to live. A guaranteed $1,000 a month across a couple, for example, would provide a lot of freedom.
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What?
No, current programs stay, Unless Somone chooses to have ubi instead of there current benefit.
A lot ppl say UBI will cost $3 trillion a year but that's not true because current welfare programs cost $1.8 trillion a year so ubi would cost $1.2 trillion more.
Who in their right mind would be crazy enough ( Even GOP ) to take away money from all American voters? Think about that again. The UBI would be given to ALL adult American Citizens. This is not something you can tell the farmer and piss him off cause some welfare queen in the city is getting 1k a month because that same farmer, wife and 18 year old son is also getting that 1k a month ( 12k a year ). You going to tell Chuck the farmer you taking his 3 grand (36k a year) away?
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Don't sugar coat it, he's trying to appeal to the "oppresesed" white straight male.
it's not supposed to be the be all end all of income, it's supplementary. a household of 18+ people collecting 1k a month each would still be a game changer to the living situations of many of the country's poorest. you might be able to do things like work part time while going to night school with that kind of money.
what makes you think that?
You really think it's only straight white males who would laugh at a joke like that?
And people wonder why we think that Era doesn't care about Asians. You, a presumably not-Asian person, are saying it's okay for this person to make racist Asian jokes.
So if you have a bunch of government benefits, you get nothing...Or at best you get a fraction of that 1K....
as opposed to say what the other candidates are proposing which is..
Free healthcare, medical debt wiped
Overhaul of college debt/potentially student loans wiped.
Raising minimum wage
among other things.
The latter is worth way more than $12k/yr
It'd help out, but the whole point of UBI is to cover people's basic needs. If all you're going to cover is rent then that's not nearly enough. Especially if turns out like Yang, and people like him, think it will and most jobs get replaced by robots and computers and tablets.
The trucking industry is like a third of the economy, automate that and we're in deep shit.
When did I say only? There's always other minorites who throw other minorities under the bus. But we're not the powers at be in the country.
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What else would your intent have been with that edit? I suspect changing "only" to even just "primarily" would still be wrong.
He also defended the racist comedian who got fired from SNL.
Edit: Or at least he normalized him by offering him a chance to defend himself despite already showing a lack of repentance and understanding on Twitter.
people think my dick is big because i'm part black and to be honest, it doesn't ruin my day. yes, all stereotypes can be damaging, even positive ones, maybe one day we'll move away from them entirely, but in the interim, positive racial jokes are kind of funny and palatable to the vast majority of people. if any presidential candidate catered to the era-like niche of the left they would lose in a landslide and i think even most people here can appreciate that.