Less revenue overall--ticket sales, ad buys for TV.Problem with fewer games is less checks for players right. Just like baseball the number of games means they can sell more to TV
Have you enjoyed the new rules enacted this yr to stop some of the flopping? I think it's been fantasticSimple, stop penalizing defensive play. I get that we can't let players go as hard as they used to in the 80s and 90s for health and longevity reasons , but the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction that the rules and refs basically reward flopping more than even soccer does. It kills the momentum of the game and takes away from the drama on the court. Fix that, and you'll see the action spread back out on the court.
Yes, the Players union prob wouldn't go for it when the best players can just rest anyways and play less games and keep getting paid the same amountProblem with fewer games is less checks for players right. Just like baseball the number of games means they can sell more to TV
Which is why the owners will never agree to a shorter season, lol.Less revenue overall--ticket sales, ad buys for TV.
So it actually effects the owners the most. The greater the revenue the bigger the pie to split with the players.
Thus fewer games won't happen lol.
Going to best of 7 for the first round was such a dumb choice. But that was also done for money reason--more games, more money.
I don't think the players will actually. Owners are making money regardless. But an NBA career is more fragile. You can be in and out in a season.Which is why the owners will never agree to a shorter season, lol.
1997 Finals average viewership was 29.04 million viewers. The 2020 Finals averaged 7.5 million.The NBA is considerably more popular than it was during the jordan Era and it really isn't close.
A mass purge of NBA commentators. Having to listen to jeff van gundy, among others, while watching a game is unbearable
It's a step in the right direction for sure. Still got your standard spotty enforcement, but what else is new (lol).Have you enjoyed the new rules enacted this yr to stop some of the flopping? I think it's been fantastic
To help with all you are talking about, OP, we need to start from the real problem.
The NBA tries to find the next "insert name" to be the face. They need to promote more than just 1 or 2 players. The NFL's talent pool is so deep that when superstar-caliber players like Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, and Peyton Manning retires, they already have others lined up to take over the helm. When Brady retires, we already have Mahomes, Burrow, and so many good young QBs ready to go or give it a shot.
The NBA should develop their players more. The NFL draft is more profound and has more talent, granted that's the make-up of the roster and how many players can play, but the drafted products are undercooked and need more time.
The NFL is simply better with talent development and by pushing college players to stay 3 years vs 1. They know that this is the best course of action for the league; like it or not.
JVG is the bestI actually love Jeff Van Gundy and his rants about rule changes and whatnot. I could certainly do without Mark Jackson and his catchphrases, though.
A mass purge of NBA commentators. Having to listen to jeff van gundy, among others, while watching a game is unbearable
Less revenue overall--ticket sales, ad buys for TV.
So it actually effects the owners the most. The greater the revenue the bigger the pie to split with the players.
Thus fewer games won't happen lol.
Going to best of 7 for the first round was such a dumb choice. But that was also done for money reason--more games, more money.
So basically abolish Free Agency?I would do something to keep 3-4 teams from having all of the best players or at least keep star players from colluding with each other to go to the same team.
Ratings don't translate directly to $ for the league.But less games might mean more ratings for each one of those games. I know it's risky, but at some point they will have to discuss this.
Mama, there goes that man.this. Mark Jackson is so fucking boring man. Everyone complains about him.
Another crazy idea that I stole from legendary Chick Hearn like 20 years ago: Get rid of foul outs. If a players gets over 6 common fouls (not flagrant, not Techs) then every foul after that is one FT and the ball, so teams would still have to strategize on how they use players in "foul trouble". But the idea of potentially removing star players from a game entirely because of too many common fouls is really sort of dumb. Imagine if in the NFL an all pro defensive player was kicked out of a game for committing one too many off sides?
I think it would help if most of the making suggestion watched the current NBA.
"Stars flock to super teams"
The two best teams in the NBA either drafted or traded for their best players. Out of like the top 6 teams Brooklyn Nets are the only ones that fit that criteria.
"We should bring back 80's or 90's defenses"
How the hell are you going to make teams play stupider? Like are you going to clone Russel Westbrook and force him on every team?
"Everyone wants to move to LA"
The LA Lakers and Clippers are below .500
I agree with all your points but the LA draw is real
Lakers were hot garbage for like a decade but managed to get Lebron, no other city could do that
I most certainly watch the NBA and I am indeed a Hawks fan; I have a Hawks flag hanging outside my house. I almost bussed a gut when the Hawks beat the Sixers last year. I plan on going to a Hawks when I go back to visit my family in Atlanta.lolwut? This is a "tell me you don't watch the NBA without telling me you don't watch the NBA" post if I've ever seen one.
Giannis, Ja, Anthony Edwards, Trae Young, Luka, RJ, Lamelo, Tatum, Zion, Shai, Booker, D'Angelo, Herro, Bridges...the NBA makes stars in its sleep. One usually rises to the top to become the dominant face but it doesn't have a talent problem. No one cares about NFL players outside of the tiny few that they get to see with their helmet off on corny State Farm ads, lol.
And that's why the league is so successful. They don't have to put anyone at the forefront to represent the league. You are proving my point.No one cares about NFL players outside of the tiny few that they get to see with their helmet off on corny State Farm ads, lol.
I agree with you that it happens in every major sport, and prob more so now than ever.Yes bigger markets often attract players to want to sign there or be traded there, but that also occurs in baseball or football. People often overreact to how much that occurs in the NBA and to hear people talk you'd think the Lakers or Knicks were constantly just signing the best free agents every year. The Lakers literally went like 20 years in between major free agent signings in Shaq and then LeBron. The Clippers have only ever done it once in their entire existence (Kawhi). the Knicks have been begging guys to play for them for years and the best free agent they've ever signed in any of our lifetimes is either Amare Stoudamire or Julius Randle. Big markets are a draw, yes, but they are in every sport just like they are in any profession really.
I most certainly watch the NBA and I am indeed a Hawks fan; I have a Hawks flag hanging outside my house. I almost bussed a gut when the Hawks beat the Sixers last year. I plan on going to a Hawks when I go back to visit my family in Atlanta.
The proof is in the ratings. The NFL draft has higher ratings than the NBA finals year in and year out.
NFL Draft Outdraws NBA Finals, Oscars
12.52 million viewers tuned in Thursday for the first round of the NFL Draft. The average combines viewing on ESPN (6.48 million), ABC (4.19 million), and NFL Network (1.85 millionwww.outkick.com
Yeah, it's one day, but we are talking about a draft. That shows how deep football runs here. Hell, the NBA is global and still can't beat the NFL in ratings and revenue.
And that's why the league is so successful. They don't have to put anyone at the forefront to represent the league. You are proving my point.
I most certainly watch the NBA and I am indeed a Hawks fan; I have a Hawks flag hanging outside my house. I almost bussed a gut when the Hawks beat the Sixers last year. I plan on going to a Hawks when I go back to visit my family in Atlanta.
The proof is in the ratings. The NFL draft has higher ratings than the NBA finals year in and year out.
NFL Draft Outdraws NBA Finals, Oscars
12.52 million viewers tuned in Thursday for the first round of the NFL Draft. The average combines viewing on ESPN (6.48 million), ABC (4.19 million), and NFL Network (1.85 millionwww.outkick.com
Yeah, it's one day, but we are talking about a draft. That shows how deep football runs here. Hell, the NBA is global and still can't beat the NFL in ratings and revenue.
And that's why the league is so successful. They don't have to put anyone at the forefront to represent the league. You are proving my point.
This is a huge problem too. 82 games is a lot vs the NFL's 17 game season. How do you fix resting a player? They will just say he's injured to get around it like they already do.I have no idea how you are going to get players who are already resting and managing minutes to give a shit about a midseason tournament.
In my initial post, I didn't say anything about marketing their players. Development, yes, but I said nothing about player marketing. I responded to your marketing post with "they don't need a player to represent the league"I'm not proving your point. Your remarks were about the NBA failing to develop and market talent. That's not the NBA's problem. It has superstars for days, which is the only reason it can compete with the NFL to any degree. Football has long been a more popular sport in America. That has very little, if nothing, to do with the quality of its players.
To help with all you are talking about, OP, we need to start from the real problem.
The NBA tries to find the next "insert name" to be the face. They need to promote more than just 1 or 2 players. The NFL's talent pool is so deep that when superstar-caliber players like Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Lawrence Taylor, and Peyton Manning retires, they already have others lined up to take over the helm. When Brady retires, we already have Mahomes, Burrow, and so many good young QBs ready to go or give it a shot.
The NBA should develop their players more. The NFL draft is more profound and has more talent, granted that's the make-up of the roster and how many players can play, but the drafted products are undercooked and need more time.
The NFL is simply better with talent development and by pushing college players to stay 3 years vs 1. They know that this is the best course of action for the league; like it or not.
To be fair I think the league pass solves this problem, albeit for a cost. I'm just too cheap top buy it - it's an extra $40 a month through Youtube TV! The side effect is that in spite of myself I'm slowly becoming a fan of the small handful of teams that consistently play on TNT or ESPN every night - Lakers, Warriors, Jazz, 76ers, Nuggets, Bucks, etc...
It's funny that people even care about the markets outside of their own. Like, they aren't playing in the middle of Time Square or the Chicago Bean.
I'm sorry, you wouldn't be able to pick out a 7ft monster that is kd in a crowd lol.The NBA has an incredibly passionate core group of fans, but the league is nowhere near what it used to be—who is someone on Lebron's level that the general public would recognize as an NBA superstar?
The current league's superstars don't even come close to what Kobe, Shaq, and AI were doing in the late 90s and early 2000s. The hardcore know who the great players are, but there's no way some random person on the street would be able to pick Ja Morant/Jayson Tatum/Booker out of a crowd—hell, they might not even be able to identify Steph, Harden or KD out of a crowd.
The sport risks going the way of professional baseball if the league doesn't make changes.
my god, how old are you?have the refs stop protecting soft ring chasers like lebron
detroit pistons made the nba great in the 90s.
But people want to see dunks not 3 pointersPush the 3 pt line out but keep the same arc so the corner 3 is eliminated.