Now it's not typical. OK
Conservative based on what? 4.8 GB/s is included with all BCpack crap and general purposes compression, 6 GB/s ( sorry, maybe 6.5 GB/s ) is theoretical max. I think really you need to stop doing this over and over.
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How Oodle Kraken and Oodle Texture supercharge the IO system of the Sony PS5
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Now it's not typical. OK
Conservative based on what? 4.8 GB/s is included with all BCpack crap and general purposes compression, 6 GB/s ( sorry, maybe 6.5 GB/s ) is theoretical max. I think really you need to stop doing this over and over.
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What is dawning on me now is that the moment I/O speeds skyrocket, the SSD size is going to become the new bottleneck. To reach its fullest potential, a Skyrim or Final Fantasy-scale next-gen game could easily use hundreds and hundreds of gigs on assets, even post-oodle compression.
I wonder if Sony will have any limits on the size of games. I assume not, but what's to stop a future CoD or GTA from being 500GB big?
I hope the absolute mad lads do it.
Okay I did not know this. The texture compression on these systems is incredible.
It's a receipts based world we live in. Before you twist my words again. All I said is XSX is typically between 4.8-6GB/s and 4.8GB/s is conservative(thus you'll typically see higher numbers). It can also go higher than 6GB/s under ideal circumstances. The max of that has not been verified in the same way Sony has with their figures.
PS5 is currently rated at 8-9GB/s but we now know with Oodle, they're aiming for 2:1 on average which is 11GB/s and under ideal circumstances up to 22GB/s.
Thats all I said before you twisted my words to say "6GB/s is typical on XSX". I don't think so. I understand the PS5 SSD is significantly faster than the XSX, its a fact, everyone knows that at the end of the day. The other truth is what really matters are the typical numbers, we know the engineers working on Oodle have stated will be on average 2:1 which is 11GB/s.
Thats all. It's still impressive it can go all the way up to 22GB/s under ideal circumstances but with RAM of about 16GB and between 13-14GB for games if there is a working set of 11GB then the system will be more than capable at the average rate of 11GB/s.
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The price of NAND has been dropping steadily and with Sony's approach you'll be able to get a 2TB SSD at a reasonable price soon. Already a 980 pro with 7GB/s PCIe 4.0 m.2 is at $229. Otherwise this is a gen where we keep 8TB HDDs on hand. Also, with lower NAND prices consumers will hopefully get a 1.6TB version of the PS5 in a year or two.
You can't really compare them like that, there's still latency and other shenanigans to account for but purely on bandwith, a typical (1600MHz) DDR3 has a transfer rate of 12.8GB/s, so it's close.
2 times. LOL I've never twisted your words because you literally said ''typical above 6'' few pages ago. Under ideal ideal circumstances it can go below 7. That's it and you should accept it and move along with that. For your sanity and others (like one member said in other thread) don't go any further. You've been corrected numerous times.
You're lying. where in the last few pages did I say the lie you're attributing to me, this phrase ''typical above 6''. At this point I think it is you that believes that. As I have said consistently between 4.8 - 6 for XSX and now we know with Oodle, on average 2:1 ratio is possible for PS5. So 11GB/s on average for PS5. Stop your lies. if you want to believe the XSX can typically go beyond 6GB/s then say so don't accuse others.
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And here is a post from April this year where I said 6GB/s is not typical. So yeah no reason to resort to twisting and lying about what I've said previously.
I don't understand any of this "Oodles" things as I almost misread them as Noodles supercharged with the IO system. 😄
You have it backwards, the I/O system is supercharged by Noodle-y Appendages.
There is most likely a Nanite specific format which is compressed in way or another to save disk space and most likely data is in nice format for memory as well.
Expect it to load what is needed to memory in some way. (Think virtual textures.)
If what is above is true, rendering in lower resolution should allow slightly smaller memory usage runtime.
How fine grained the loading is and what possible artifacts are when object and display resolutions do not match is unknown. (I expect slight smoothness of object surface before all data is loaded, with very slow drive this could take few frames. (IE. On Ps3.).)
I don't think everyone knows this.
The new Open world games will be something to behold. I am so excited for next gen RPG :)
Nah, bandwidth isn't everything. RAM has much lower latency for instance iirc.
I want this to happen.
lol? You don't need to swap out 13,5GB everytime you enter a building, therefore you will be able to do stuff like this on Xbox. Developers worked around much bigger constraints before.
PS5 SSD is stunning and I can't wait to see what PS studios can do. But can we stop treating Xbox SSD like a slow ass HDD? And can we stop pretending next gen games will swap out 13,5GB every second?
22GB/s is the absolute theoretical best case. For games depending on the data you are looking at 11GB/s average. That's not to say devs can't reach 15GB/s or higher for textures. But it depends on the game and data within a game.
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OK, one more time. You literally said 4.8 and 6 GB/s is typical ( screenshots provided below from page 6 and 7 ) even if members tried to correct you previously. If you quoted your own post from April which of says otherwise in the end ( AFTER when you've been corrected on page 17 after few pages of discussion ), why you've 5 months later said same wrong things again ? Logically you wouldn't, but you did...AGAIN!
Now you trying to backpedal and accusing me for saying lies. I mean WTF? I'm out of this
I believe in Todd and Bethesda Studios next game to slow down whatever IO wizardry (ie PCIE3 throughput on Xbox, still really fast as mentioned) that any Xbox engineer can provide. :P
OK, one more time. You literally said 4.8 and 6 GB/s is typical ( screenshots provided below from page 6 and 7 ) even if members tried to correct you previously. If you quoted your own post from April which of says otherwise in the end ( AFTER when you've been corrected on page 17 after few pages of discussion ), why you've 5 months later said same wrong things again ? Logically you wouldn't, but you did...AGAIN!
Now you trying to backpedal and accusing me for saying lies. I mean WTF? I'm out of this
"typical throughput is above 4.8GB/s and 6GB/s is possible. "
"typical throughput is above 4.8GB/s"
"6GB/s is possible."
"6GB/s shouldn't be typical."
These have been my statements. You misconstrued what I said in those other posts. In the one where I said "6GB/s is likely the max typical throughput", I was referring to what Mr Fox had said about 6GB/s being the theoretical max. So you're picking that one equivocal sentence and ignoring all the other times I've said I don't expect 6GB/s to be the typical throughput.
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Well, it's really great to see that the PS5 could achieve even better throughput numbers than we previously thought.