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How ok are you, really, with Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee?
- Thread starter Exellus
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Adding to this, we had Kamala fans on Twitter saying they'll still write her name in for the general, and she was polling at 3%. Imagine what it'll be like for the popular candidates.
I'm not going to vote for him. He doesn't represent me or people I care about. And Donald is too physically ill to stay on the Republican ballot, even if the impeachment fails.
I will not be pleased, but if he gets the nom, I'll hold my nose and vote for him. Anybody is better than Trump, so if he gets the nom, he has the best chance of beating Trump. If he wins, it will back to corporate Democrat status quo, just less people in cages and abuses of power. Wages for working Americans will remain stagnant, the rich will continue to avoid paying taxes and will continue to hoard their wealth, healthcare premiums for our shitty health insurance will continue going up, POC will continue to be fucked over, etc., etc. We'll get some token environmental legislation like tax breaks for anyone who buys a $90,000 Tesla and some convoluted health care reform that will somehow cost more, cover less people, and be even more shitty health insurance.
'Lost all Hope in Humanity'
I'll still vote for him even though he's another establishment neolib who'll give rise to a competent Trump
I'll still vote for him even though he's another establishment neolib who'll give rise to a competent Trump
I'll vote for him but I'm just trying to imagine what insane dirt Fox News cooks up if he wins. We'll be hearing about BURISMA for the next 4 years with former President Trump on the network on a daily basis. Guy will have an open invite on Fox & Friends.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's impeached at all either if Congress falls back into Republican hands (which it will invariably). It will be petty and a non-issue but they'll go full bore with it with Fox News backing the rhetoric, no Democrat president is safe at this point. They're going to impeach over the type of breakfast cereal the guy (or girl) ate.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's impeached at all either if Congress falls back into Republican hands (which it will invariably). It will be petty and a non-issue but they'll go full bore with it with Fox News backing the rhetoric, no Democrat president is safe at this point. They're going to impeach over the type of breakfast cereal the guy (or girl) ate.
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I don't know why this didn't ring in people's ears last election, but you need to understand it now.
I mean, he's infinitely better than Trump. He wouldn't be in my top 5 choices of the current options for being the nominee but beggers can't be choosers. If he does get the nominee, I'd really hope his VP is a good pick.
I hate it. And will try to help it not be the case. But, regardless, I will vote straight Democrat in the election.
That's my fear as well. He will be inept and a competent fascist will run against him.
This.
The Supreme Court, at this point in time, holds more power then the President. They're what's going to shape the future of this country and the absolute last thing I want to see is the GOP swing it to the right even more then it already is.
If Biden is the Democratic nominee, I'm going to cast my vote for him. Is he perfect, no (I prefer Warren or Bernie), but Trump needs to be removed from office and the GOP needs to be knocked back a peg (or three). All elections from here on out are ones that you can't sit out. Voting for someone that you agree with 80% is still better then not voting and giving someone you don't agree 100% with the office. We're seeing how that's working out with the dipshit that's currently sitting in the White House.
Not my first, second or third choice, but I'lll be excited to vote for anyone that has a chance to beat Trump.
You and me both. At least this time I can see the loss coming a mile away, so I'm grateful for that anyway. lol
99% of my political energies will go someplace other than Biden. I could still vote for him, depending on conditions on the ground. Generally a Biden nomination will serve to reinforce the old truth that electoralism is a really difficult path to changing the national dialogue for the better.
I'm not. And the way i see it, with other candidates currently leading in more contested areas, there's about a 5050 chance of him getting the nom versus not. Let's do all we can to push it over the edge
It just drives me wild that people cannot grasp that if they do not vote for a Democrat President (doesn't matter who the fuck it is) means that Trump gets another person on the Supreme Court along with continuing to fill Federal judge seats. No candidate is going to meet all your criteria, none. Holding your vote back basically sets the country back even further than the damage already done by Trump.
Pretty much.
Yes, he's better than Trump, 1000%, but he still sucks. Democratic voters really needs to stop primarying awful candidates. He's basically going to be Hillary 2.0 (but much worse) if he gets the nomination. I will still vote for him, but I am really not happy about it and it's utterly frustrating that painfully mediocre to bad candidates like him keep winning. Hillary was painfully mediocre and it just felt like voting her was an "OK, fine" vote rather than a candidate I was excited to vote for.
Bernie or Warren really needs to win the primary, and I think realistically, the primary will end up coming down to Biden, Bernie, and Warren. I want Warren most out of those three, but Bernie would be great too!
Weird ass creepy Biden moments aside, it's stuff like the above that boils the blood. Are any of these establishment centrist Democrats any different?
Biden winning means a guaranteed 8 years of a Biden or Republican white house.
He's said he'll run for two terms and primarying a sitting president is extremely difficult. So it'd be a guarenteed Biden vs Republican in the 2024 election.
Not really. Biden and people like Hillary and Obama and Bill are emblematic of the corupt establishment democrat that will be dragged kicking and screaming out of relevance.
That's why the progressive left is so vocal about Sanders(and to a lesser extent warren, yang and even tulsi) if we actually had a representative coalition in washington to fight against neoliberalism and our geopolitical imperialist empire, there would not be so much desperation.
But we dont. We either have outright facissts in the GOP, or halfway there establishment dems who just want to keep conceding more and more ground to those fascists and then pretend they are surprised when things go awry and people are angry.
It is these absolutes that people focus on that drive me crazy. A lot happens in 4 years.
Politics is down-stream of culture. Fix the shitbirds in your local community rather than believe elected officials are going to make shitty people better.
This.
We're heading for catastrophe if we don't make some serious changes.
He's not getting removed from office, and he will be on the ballot. I'd love to be wrong, but it's by far the most likely outcome. I'd love your fantasy scenario to play out though.
If Biden is there and you don't vote for him, then well, don't complain during the four more trump years if he wins.
If Biden gets the nomination i am done with politics. Clearly theres no fixing the world through it and theres no more room for half measures. I will vote for him because he is better than trump even as senile as he is but that'll be the end of it as a focus for me.
Fine, replace "guarenteed" with "extremely likely". I guess maybe he'll be so unpopular a primary would be successful, or his health will fail him. Even then that typically doesn't bode well for the general.