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How Netflix plans to find its inner ‘Star Wars’
- Thread starter bishopp135
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You need PG-13 IP's with proper worldbuilding. The sort that people could get lost into and take multiple days to consume even with the info dump powers of the internet. I dont think something like Stranger Things is that type of IP. On top of my head, think more of something along the lines of Tsukimichi Moonlit Fantasy or Overlord for anime.
If they want an IP with proper world-building that is ready-made for their merchandising and licensing team at Netflix toexploit develop a series with, i would have to say it again . . . . Paizo's Pathfinder RPG (and its Golarion setting). You got tons of setting books to grab story and character ideas and at least 22 adventure paths to anchor a movie trilogy or series with. The best part with AP's is that unlike say comicbook or novel adaptations, Netflix writers are free to write-up on their own the character history and team dynamics whichever they see fit. Also, Paizo, as an underfunded RPG publisher, has been doing fine as it is with their licensing and merchandising arm . . . . they just need that extra seed money to take things into another level.
If they want an IP with proper world-building that is ready-made for their merchandising and licensing team at Netflix to
The biggest problem with trying to make a Star Wars is that Star Wars was a franchise built over decades of films, books, comics, RPGs and more, unless they go into this with a decade-long plan for each of these shows it will never work artificially. It may work through luck, but first they need to learn to not cancel on reflex, learn to let popularity naturally grow, slowly and not forcefully branch out to other media with the knowledge that they most likely won't find much audience there, and most importantly they need to learn to take massive risks.
Now of course none of that will happen, business is a casino and the board doesn't give a shit about the product.
Now of course none of that will happen, business is a casino and the board doesn't give a shit about the product.
I don't think that's what they were talking about. At the very least, I don't know anything about The Dragon Prince setting up different shows.The Dragon Prince. If anything it feels like twice as fleshed out as Avatar did when that started. They even have a timeline, planned phases over season 7 seasons, multiple media projects, etc.
It's actually kind of crazy how fleshed out this universe is across several different kinds of media. And it has a pretty sizable fanbase as a result even though the production got hit by Covid.
Now Trollhunters actually does fit this, but as far as I can tell, Netflix did very little to capitalize on it and ultimately they cut the third series (Wizards) short and the big crossover movie was pretty maligned.
Even if it's good? Seems weird to preemptively not like something that you don't have any clue what it's even about.
I don't understand why they won't turn Stranger Things into an anthology. When season 5 is finished, introduce a new cast with a new supernatural premise. Doesn't have to be the same world at all.
They need to stop canceling shit that is good and interesting. Like, the motherfuckers can't just be looking at viewership numbers alone, you gotta discern. Sometimes viewership starts low then goes up with word of mouth (I didn't jump into Breaking Bad until after Season 4 ended because I kept hearing about it). Sometimes the opposite happens.
They got that Magic the Gathering animated thing coming later this year, hope it's as good as Arcane.
So Netflix plans to inundate subscribers with a poorly planned onslaught of content, drop plot lines in their programming unceremoniously either through unsatisfying narrative conclusions or entire film/show cancellations and then swiftly fall back on blatant nostalgia bait to appease the angry internet masses?
I feel like they've kind of nailed this model already, frankly.
I feel like they've kind of nailed this model already, frankly.
I was going to make a post along these lines but you said it all. And yeah Lucas had no idea what he was really making as far as impact. The cast always likes to talk about how despondent he was throughout shooting on the first one because he thought it would be a massive failure.
They need to stop canceling shit that is good and interesting. Like, the motherfuckers can't just be looking at viewership numbers alone, you gotta discern. Sometimes viewership starts low then goes up with word of mouth (I didn't jump into Breaking Bad until after Season 4 ended because I kept hearing about it). Sometimes the opposite happens.
With Breaking Bad, all the previous seasons were on Netflix before the last season premiered. Is that the case with Better Call Saul? I know in the past Better Call Saul has been pretty delayed in getting on Netflix and I think BB was massively helped by everyone being caught up and ready to go once the final season started. I kind of fell off Better Call Saul because I've had a hard time tracking when and where it was available. Like I don't think even AMC+ has it or something?
Stranger Things, whilst enjoyable, is an '80s pastiche ultimately which leans hard into '80s pop culture nostalgia - it's why the main viewer-base are adults. I don't think it comes close to Star Wars re impact. Lucas had his Kurosawa & Flash Gordon influences (amongst many others) but it did not (& does not) feel like a pastiche of its influences. I'm not sure if Netflix bigwigs can grasp this concept that they need to seek creative individuals and not start with data points.
Back in the '70s the 20th Century bigwigs, who handed Lucas the budget didn't get Star Wars at all, but they took a chance on an indie filmmaker and thought his concept was crap. They took a risk. And Netflix is thoroughly risk averse and driven by data analysis points.
Back in the '70s the 20th Century bigwigs, who handed Lucas the budget didn't get Star Wars at all, but they took a chance on an indie filmmaker and thought his concept was crap. They took a risk. And Netflix is thoroughly risk averse and driven by data analysis points.
They need to stop canceling shit that is good and interesting. Like, the motherfuckers can't just be looking at viewership numbers alone, you gotta discern. Sometimes viewership starts low then goes up with word of mouth (I didn't jump into Breaking Bad until after Season 4 ended because I kept hearing about it). Sometimes the opposite happens.
Ironically, Breaking Bad blew up due to Netflix lol
I mean two of the three "Stranger Things treatment" shows listed are OP and ATLA which in theory would absolutely nail these particular points. But of course they have to actually execute on building these properly - it's all for naught if they frantically rip the seeds out before they get to bloom.
They would have to tell a story as good or better than Shepard's story without touching literally any of the Shepard story elements or characters because no matter how they handle it, the way they handled it will not be the right way because of the way the game works.
What was it Netflix said early on. When looking at TV providers and such compared to them... "We have to become them before they become us." And for a while, it looked like Netflix might pull it off... until it didn't. Now the classic content providers like Disney and such have their own, cheaper, streaming services and Netflix is left with the leftovers and whatever new exciting idea they'll cancel next.
A Warhammer 40k show as well, but we hadnt heard of it in a while
Warhammer 40,000 gets live-action series from Man in the High Castle’s studio
Based on the Eisenhorn trilogy of books by Dan Abnett
www.polygon.com
None of those series in the Op are franchise material lol. Netflix can barely handle shows longer than 1 or 2 seasons, let alone multiple spin offs. They really screwed up with the Marvel Defenders series, which was their big franchise attempt. Speaking of comicbook adaptations, whatever happened to their Mark Millar stuff lol.
They need to just wait until they find something worthwhile.
They need to just wait until they find something worthwhile.
Holy shit. I didnt even realize season 2 of stranger things was trying to backdoor pilot us. Well it didnt work, lol
I don't count those two as those are established multimedia brands, independent of Netflix, that the aforementioned streaming service have little to no control and are just trying to piggyback off their popularity. They are not even trying to create new content for those two IP's. Just doing existing stories in live-action w/c is boring. This is not how Netflix should develop IP's and differentiate themselves from their peers.
Paramount(and eventually, i guess, Paramount+) has the actual new ATLA content and Viz media/Shuheisha has the actual new content for OP.
They're on a good track. Netflix's original content has been looking cheaper and shittier than ever recently, so if they keep that up they'll look as bad as Obi-Wan Kenobi in no time
Im very hyped that Zack Snyder Rebel Moon become this . Loved all concept of the movie and the cast is stellar . Also Snyder himself told that this is his Star Wars , but more mature . Just like Star wars have a awesome cinematography and OST , Snyder cinematography is amazing and the composers of his films were also phenomenal on their work. (Man of Steel its a dream like of perfect signergy between art style and CGI ( a department that direct competitors like Marvel s MCU lacks a lot ) .
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this costume test is simply perfect--
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Zack Snyder's Star Wars Copy 'Rebel Moon' Ramps Up in First Photos
Rebel Moon has begun filming.
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this costume test is simply perfect--
Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon Makeup Test
Anti-Snyder Stans, Ain't no talking about this thing!!!But on a serious note, This is gonna be Biggest Netflix Movie Ever!!!! (Am i right, The Grey Man) (Can...
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The design by committee risk averse form of franchise building is the result of an incredibly competitive entertainment market nowadays. It's hard for something to have the impact Star Wars did in 1977 when people have way more options than they did 45 years ago to kill time. It's usually something unexpected that catches wildfire; Squid Games was definitely not developed and promoted with the intention of being one of the biggest shows on TV in the last few years, it happened through word of mouth.
Heck, even Marvel Studios, behemoth that it is nowadays, was a big gamble at the time. They borrowed money from Merrill Lynch with the condition that if Iron Man bombed, they might lose the film rights to a bunch of Marvel characters. There's almost no way any company would do something as crazy nowadays as risking their future on a B-list character.
Also while he was slowly coming back to the public eye, casting Downey Jr. wasn't the safest bet to kickstart and be the face of a major franchise, outside of his acting ability.
Stranger Things' biggest problem with being like Star Wars is that, like, especially with the newest season there doesn't seem to be a lot of world building to explore? There's a blank canvas for them in a lot of ways, but nothing specific to glom onto except the fun inevitability of entering the 90s.
Bingo. You have to take the shot in the dark because no one really knows the X factor that creates a franchise worth billions. And clearly all their data and algorithms haven't worked at creating something truly great imo. An algorithm can only tell you what people want but people don't know that they want the next billion dollar franchise. No one in 1976 could've articulated their desire for a Star Wars that didn't exist yet and no algorithm would've caught it because it sprang from a combination of things in one man's mind. These things are anomalies, the stuff that analytics and data toss aside. I think something like Stranger Things is too steeped in well-trodden nostalgia to be truly great. Star Wars was a whole new world of new characters and places in-universe but also new techniques and ways to create for the real world; hell, an entire new industry was invented. It was truly something that had never been seen before by audiences, no movie was like that before and everything was chasing it afterwards.
Netflix has certainly innovated on the technology side. They heralded the rise of streaming but that's not a revolution on the creative side like Star Wars was which is what they are looking for now.
I appreciate that they're looking to give some number of series' the kind of support they gave Stranger Things. But I don't know if you can force-create a phenomenon that has worldwide, age-unlimited appeal like a Star Wars. Like sure, everyone would like to find the next IP that can become a multi-billion dollar brand. Duh. But hey, aim for the stars. If you hit the moon you at least got off the Earth. While creating huge company-defining IP is a fine goal, all they really need to do is strike a few more Stranger Things-grade hits and they'll be okay.
On the subject, I'm curious to see how long they and the team are going to stick with Stranger Things. That is, how many more seasons they'd like to get out of the IP?
On the subject, I'm curious to see how long they and the team are going to stick with Stranger Things. That is, how many more seasons they'd like to get out of the IP?
Didn't they announce it basically was?
Especially afterlast season's reception, I think Netflix is pretty willing to go all-in on that.
I wish HBO had data points like this to look at before cancelling Carnivale, Rome, and Deadwood.They need to stop canceling shit that is good and interesting. Like, the motherfuckers can't just be looking at viewership numbers alone, you gotta discern. Sometimes viewership starts low then goes up with word of mouth (I didn't jump into Breaking Bad until after Season 4 ended because I kept hearing about it). Sometimes the opposite happens.
Yes, I'm still salty.
If thats what they want, they won't get it with Stranger Things. It's far too narrowly focused and they missed their shot to expand it.
Maybe give Mike Flanagan a dump truck full of cash and a 10 year deal and see what he can build
Has Snyder ever made anything original that was even halfway decent? Imo he absolutely doesn't have the capability of delivering the next Star Wars, and also the next Star Wars won't be a derivative of Star Wars
Maybe give Mike Flanagan a dump truck full of cash and a 10 year deal and see what he can build
Im very hyped that Zack Snyder Rebel Moon become this . Loved all concept of the movie and the cast is stellar . Also Snyder himself told that this is his Star Wars , but more mature . Just like Star wars have a awesome cinematography and OST , Snyder cinematography is amazing and the composers of his films were also phenomenal on their work. (Man of Steel its a dream like of perfect signergy between art style and CGI ( a department that direct competitors like Marvel s MCU lacks a lot ) .
Source-
Zack Snyder's Star Wars Copy 'Rebel Moon' Ramps Up in First Photos
Rebel Moon has begun filming.
this costume test is simply perfect--
Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon Makeup Test
Anti-Snyder Stans, Ain't no talking about this thing!!!But on a serious note, This is gonna be Biggest Netflix Movie Ever!!!! (Am i right, The Grey Man) (Can...
Has Snyder ever made anything original that was even halfway decent? Imo he absolutely doesn't have the capability of delivering the next Star Wars, and also the next Star Wars won't be a derivative of Star Wars
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I wouldn't put that much stock into original vs adaptation. An adaptation will always be new content to some degree, especially to the part of the audience that would've never engaged with the original material to begin with. Like Amazon's currently trying to build a whole franchise out of a comic adaptation, no reason for Netflix to not attempt the same. And while it might be animated we can't really ignore that one of Netflix's hottest successes last year was a LoL prequel of all things.
Sure original IP would no doubt be incredibly beneficial but they need a bunch of franchise energy in a bunch of different places and if that means hoping to draw it out from a live-action comic or cartoon adaptation then might as well right?
I think Netflix is over-estimating the novelty and appeal of adapting animated shows into live-action. Its very "shallow" - for lack of a better term - compared to comicbook adaptation or any type of print to screen adaptations, in general.
They say they want an IP like Disney's Star Wars but mentioning One Piece and ATLA as their equivalent IP is rather unconvincing. Netflix neither have creative control to create new stuff(Paramount has for ATLA and Shuheisha or Toei has for OP) nor exclusivity with those IP's, its just not the same value-proposition compared to Disney's Star Wars. The only creative control they could do is to make compromises so that the special effects of the live-action adaptation could stay within budget especially for fantastical IP's like those two . . . .
. . . . which is why i'd say un-exploited, un-explored kitchen-sink IP's like Pathfinder and its sci-fi counterpart Starfinder offers better value. A cheaper, animated IP could work. Game of Thrones may be a WBD intellectual property but if you want GoT-style court intrigue, you could use Brevoy(the Swordlords and the Surtovas in the Pathfinder: Kingmaker videogame). If you want your court intrigue to be bloody but less medieval and more Downtown Abbey-posh then Taldor just might be to your taste. You could create Pirates of the Carribean-style shows in the Shackles. Or Brendan Frasier The Mummy-style adventures in Osirion. You could recreate Universal's Dark Universe in Ustalav. You could create Viking-shows set in the Land of the Linnorm Kings.
Starfinder is the same. They have Force-sensitives(Solarian) unshackled from the black and white morality of Star Wars. They have worldships and starships of all sizes and make (some are made of wood, some are designed for undead etc.). All flavor of AI and cybernetics. You could have Lovecraftian and Barsoom-inspired shows. You could even write a show set similarly like Warhammer 40K's Imperium of Man(Azlanti Star Empire) which could also double as the Expanse's Laconian Empire.
Starfinder is the same. They have Force-sensitives(Solarian) unshackled from the black and white morality of Star Wars. They have worldships and starships of all sizes and make (some are made of wood, some are designed for undead etc.). All flavor of AI and cybernetics. You could have Lovecraftian and Barsoom-inspired shows. You could even write a show set similarly like Warhammer 40K's Imperium of Man(Azlanti Star Empire) which could also double as the Expanse's Laconian Empire.
This thread has made me realise that Netflix will get swallowed by one of the others, it's guaranteed. I'd wager Disney as they have the shallowest content offering rn (really good stuff, just not a lot of it). But could be any of em! Apple probably need to step up so that's a poss. Even (related to our interests) Microsoft could make a surprise entrance, possibly even leveraging Xbox brand, who knows.
Exciting times to be an armchair pundit
Exciting times to be an armchair pundit
Man, that series just can't catch a break when it comes to live a tion adaptations. Well at least they are not writing it.
Netflix will fuck it up. Guaranteed to be whitewashed and likely to entirely miss the nuances of the Cultural Revolution and Chinese culture background.
101% feel the same. Zack Sndyer isn't the auteur he thinks is, sorry.
