How many times did Kishimoto change the origin for the Uchiha and Sharingan?

[Uzumaki Goku]

One thing I've been doing is going back and taking notes for my critique on the series, one thing I remember was that Kishimoto was incredibly inconsistent on just what the origin was for the Sharingan, like, apparently it's the power of hate that fuels it, but then, Kishimoto had the Second Hokage say that it's not hate that powers the Uchihas, it's love, they love so much with wounds that will not heal... (man, that was awkward). The Sharingan is one of the most bullshit power-ups in manga and anime history, it pretty much does whatever Kishimoto needs it to do, even if you don't have it, Madara doing a Susanoo without his eyes even though it's established that you NEED the Sharingan to be able to do a Susanoo, but not Madara, oh no. He gets to just do it when he has no eyes. Ugh....

 

[Bor Gullet]

My favorite thing is how Kishi kept on adding new abilities to the Sharingan.

Once we got to Izanami, which was simply created to defeat Kabuto and never to be seen again, I just gave up.

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

My favorite thing is how Kishi kept on adding new abilities to the Sharingan.

Once we got to Izanami, which was simply created to defeat Kabuto and never to be seen again, I just gave up.

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Yeah, then as I said, removing abilities from the Sharingan, like Madara doing a Susanoo when he had no eyes.

 

[lmcfigs]

yeah I liked it when it was supposedly like a deviation from the byakugan but then it became ridiculously overpowered and eh... kind of dumb.

 

[Aaronrules380]

How many times did Kubo come up with new explanations for Chad's power (especially funny since Chad never did jack shit)

 

[Crossing Eden]

a rundown of sharingan bs:

Space time ninjutsu, look at something and switch places, why? Who cares.

Being able to come back from literal death to hand people your sharingan

Being able to use sharingan powers without an actual sharingan:

That gif is even cool but goddamn the sharingan is some straight nonsense

 

[Deleted member 9932]

Madara can do whatever the fuck he wants

 

[H-I-M]

a rundown of sharingan bs:

Space time ninjutsu, look at something and switch places, why? Who cares.

That gif is even cool but goddamn the sharingan is some straight nonsense

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Isn't that his rinnegan doing it?

 

[Fulminator]

a rundown of sharingan bs:

Space time ninjutsu, look at something and switch places, why? Who cares.

Being able to come back from literal death to hand people your sharingan




Being able to use sharingan powers without an actual sharingan


That gif is even cool but goddamn the sharingan is some straight nonsense

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the gif is his rinnegan ability

the other two though...lol

 

[AgentChris]

Isn't that his rinnegan doing it?

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Yep.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Isn't that his rinnegan doing it?

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Considering it looks like this:

guarantee there's an unpublished page on Kishi's floor somewhere that states that Sasuke's left eye is affected by the fact that he's a uchiha

 

[TsuWave]

sharingan should have been left as a byakugan offshoot/mutation that allowed one to "predict/anticipate/read" moves provided your physical capacity and skills allowed you to keep up. everything after that was crazy.

actually, that whole manga/story went left field when brehs started getting landscape levelling upgrades out of nowhere left and right. The story, fights, and tension were at their best when its power levels were in check and smaller in scale. Zabuza fight is still a contender for Goat. Itachi vs Kakashi & Kurenai was great too. mostly taijutsu, bunshin feints, speed feats and other misc small jutsus (genjutsu iirc) that focused mostly on "skill". then Kishimoto opened pandora's box with that mangekyo shit and it was over

on a side note, remember that time sasuke randomly got a new summon and zetsu was like "erm i when did he make that summoning contract?" and shit was never mentioned again lmao

 

[Crossing Eden]

that whole manga/story went left field when brehs started getting landscape levelling upgrades out of nowhere left and right. The story, fights, and tension were at their best when its power levels were in check and smaller in scale.

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You know what's funny, is that things were kept in check when it was a huge ass risk to use the OP BS. But then it progressed to "lol nah unlimited sharingan now"

 

[Apath]

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[MinerArcaniner]

The power scaling in general gradually got worse and worse as time went on, but it didn't go completely insane until the Rinnegan and Senjutsu--the Action Replay and Game Shark of the ninja world--were introduced.

 

[Dary]

If you take a step back, you can pretty much see all the points where Kishimoto's editors said "okay, you've got an extra 200 chapters, go wild!"

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

Anybody remember when Itachi pulled the Susanoo out of nowhere? I didn't know the Sharingan could do an ability that makes you virtually immortal.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

It was all giant doo-doo butter ass pulls in that garbage ass 2nd series.

You have to remember that the events of Narutoball Z should not be compared to Naruto. That's why you are seeing inconsistencies.

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Haha, that's pretty good. I'll hold on to that from now on.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Izanami was so ridiculous that it made Kabuto trustworthy enough to literally run an orphanage of uchiha clones.

 

[Caja 117]

Anybody remember when Itachi pulled the Susanoo out of nowhere? I didn't know the Sharingan could do an ability that makes you virtually immortal.

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But Susanoo wasnt out of nowhere, every one that read the manga was expecting Itachi doing Susanoo after he did Amaterasu, what no one was expecting was what was it, only something that was going to make Tsukijomy and Amaterasu look like low tier Jutsu. now, Izanami is WTF

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

Izanami was so ridiculous that it made Kabuto trustworthy enough to literally run an orphanage of uchiha clones.

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Why is it that none of the villains ever truly got punished in this series?

 

[Fulminator]

Why is it that none of the villains ever truly got punished in this series?

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most of the villains just straight up die

orochimaru and kabuto are the only ones who really get off the hook

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

most of the villains just straight up die

orochimaru and kabuto are the only ones who really get off the hook

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

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which is a major problem.

 

[Bor Gullet]

I still think the mangekyou sharingan was a cool idea, but it really went bonkers when eternal mangekyou was introduced and all the stupid shit that came after.

 

[Deleted member 1476]

Izanami reminds me of Doctor Strange, Dormammu and the Time gem.

Imagine being stuck there forever.

 

[Chaos Legion]

sharingan should have been left as a byakugan offshoot/mutation that allowed one to "predict/anticipate/read" moves provided your physical capacity and skills allowed you to keep up. everything after that was crazy.

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Those were good times.

With Baruto though, is the Byakugan going to now get an upgrade? It was hyped up so much, but now just seems lame in comparison.

 

[BackwardCap]

Those were good times.

With Baruto though, is the Byakugan going to now get an upgrade? It was hyped up so much, but now just seems lame in comparison.

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I thought I heard something about him unlocking his own unique god eyes power cause his sister got the byakugan instead of him.

 

[Deleted member 12352]

a rundown of sharingan bs:

Space time ninjutsu, look at something and switch places, why? Who cares.

Being able to come back from literal death to hand people your sharingan

Being able to use sharingan powers without an actual sharingan:

That gif is even cool but goddamn the sharingan is some straight nonsense

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First two of these actually sort of have the same explanation. Sasuke's teleportation was received from the Rikudo Senin's "chakra ghost" (For want of a better term) after he gave Sasuke some of his power to awaken the Rinnegan in one of his eyes... and Obito momentarily appearing to Kakashi to give him his own powers for a very brief period could be explained by the same thing: Chakra ghost. Still ass-pull horseshit of course but (arguably) consistent in-universe ass-pull horseshit at least.

Last one is just bullshit though.

Those were good times.

With Baruto though, is the Byakugan going to now get an upgrade? It was hyped up so much, but now just seems lame in comparison.

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Google "Tenseigan".

 

[sir_crocodile]

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

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"if"

 

[TerminusFox]

lol remember when Sharingan was copying abilities?

 

[cyress8]

Considering it looks like this:

guarantee there's an unpublished page on Kishi's floor somewhere that states that Sasuke's left eye is affected by the fact that he's a uchiha

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I miss the days when everyone tried to create their own version of the Sharigan.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I miss the days when everyone tried to create their own version of the Sharigan.

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We're not past those days.

 

[y2kyle89]

Remember the dude how had an arm full of sharingans?

 

[SquirrelSr]

Remember the dude how had an arm full of sharingans?

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Remember the crow with the human eye that Itachi stuffed down Naruto's throat in order to brainwash Sasuke into returning to Konoha?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Remember the crow with the human eye that Itachi stuffed down Naruto's throat in order to brainwash Sasuke into returning to Konoha?

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I brainwashed you because I love you

 

[MMarston]

most of the villains just straight up die

orochimaru and kabuto are the only ones who really get off the hook

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

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I will never ever ever ever understand this.

It's like if Voldemort not only got spared by Harry Potter, but was even invited to teach as a guest lecturer at Hogwarts.

 

[BaconHat]

most of the villains just straight up die

orochimaru and kabuto are the only ones who really get off the hook

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

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Considering the number of people dead in horrific human experiments due to the first two, and we ignore Sasuke trying to murder everyone in a temper tandrum, it's still not a good thing.

 

[Android Sophia]

most of the villains just straight up die

orochimaru and kabuto are the only ones who really get off the hook

(sasuke too, if you want to count him)

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Kabuto getting spared because of Izanami is still one of the silliest things. Dude helped kickstart a world war, did some of the worst and immoral deeds out of anyone, and basically got no punishment for it. Like what the heck?

Orochimaru at least helped stop the war, and he didn't directly instigate it. Plus the dude's under constant surveillance. Still not exactly the punishment he deserves for his earlier crimes, but eh...

Sasuke didn't get off the hook tho, as was shown in the anime.

 

[Palloom]

He gets to just do it when he has no eyes. Ugh....

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Gaara kept his sand ability after he had no tailed beast. Shippuden's first arc set the precedent.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

Boruto has a special offshoot Byakugan, right? Forgot its name. So don't worry, by the end of bortuo, both eyes will be OP

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I see you're on a roll with these threads

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Boruto has a special offshoot Byakugan, right? Forgot its name. So don't worry, by the end of bortuo, both eyes will be OP

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don't think they've revealed any connection between Boruto's Jōgan (I think is the correct way) and the other eye powers. But yes it has already been teased in the manga that there is more to it and it will play a larger role in the story. Who knows in what way though.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I will never ever ever ever understand this.

It's like if Voldemort not only got spared by Harry Potter, but was even invited to teach as a guest lecturer at Hogwarts.

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except both of them played a decent role in helping the alliance during the War. And I wouldn't say Orochimaru was completely off the hook. They kept tabs on him and constant watch outside his village to make sure he wasn't doing anything evil.

 

[RockGun90]

Hey, remember when the Third hokage fighting Orochimaru with a big stick was " hokage level combat"?


Also, isn't the Rinnegan just an upgraded sharingan? Didn't Madara explain this when he saved Obito? So then why was it so important to get Pain's Rinnegan?

 

[bar_bar12]

Hey, remember when the Third hokage fighting Orochimaru with a big stick was " hokage level combat"?


Also, isn't the Rinnegan just an upgraded sharingan? Didn't Madara explain this when he saved Obito? So then why was it so important to get Pain's Rinnegan?

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Pain's Rinnegan was actually Madara's. It was part of his plan after his death to give his eyes to Nagato (One of the dumbest things in Naruto that doesn't get talked about that much)

 

[Heromanz]

except both of them played a decent role in helping the alliance during the War. And I wouldn't say Orochimaru was completely off the hook. They kept tabs on him and constant watch outside his village to make sure he wasn't doing anything evil.

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Orochimaru killed the 3rd hokage and did some fucked up stuff. Dude should be in prison

 

[RockGun90]

Pain's Rinnegan was actually Madara's. It was part of his plan after his death to give his eyes to Nagato (One of the dumbest things in Naruto that doesn't get talked about that much)

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And what was that plan? And didnt Nagato "project" his power onto the Six Pains or something so they could have the Rinnegan power? Why did he need Madara's eyes if he had his own?

Why do people defend this show?

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

except both of them played a decent role in helping the alliance during the War. And I wouldn't say Orochimaru was completely off the hook. They kept tabs on him and constant watch outside his village to make sure he wasn't doing anything evil.

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Are you Psycho Mantis under a different name?

 

[Seesaw15]

Is this Uzumaki Goku's 2nd Naruto thread today lol?

On topic:

Yeah Kishi didn't have the firmst grasp on consistent world building.

 

[bar_bar12]

And what was that plan? And didnt Nagato "project" his power onto the Six Pains or something so they could have the Rinnegan power? Why did he need Madara's eyes if he had his own?

Why do people defend this show?

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Nagato never had his own Rinnegan. He always had Madara's, who wanted to preserve his eyes after his death and have Nagato resurrect him with Rinne Rebirth jutsu (Which Nagato used to revive the dead of Konoha). Obito was the one who transplanted Madara's eyes to Nagato, who was chosen because he was an Uzumaki, and thus was a descendant of the Senju, and therefore had the necessary chakra to wield the Rinnegan.