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How Do You See The Reception Of The Last Of Us Part II Will Be In The Future?
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It's not even close to the last jedi, both have some serious to sleep shifts for the characters but this was more a revenge western than a samurai serial. I loved that Luke saved his friends by not fighting. Ellie could have done well to learn that lesson. But her fear and guilt and pain drove her to the point she couldn't even properly move on. I loved the story and I feel this game is bette and more complex than the first . First one is very formulaic and straightforward by comparison which apparently people prefer.
I loved the first game but everything in part 2 is better. I can't think of any other game that has made me worry about the fates of characters as much as this one did.
The risks the story took definitely paid off for me. I didn't enjoy it much at first but it won me over. Made me feel things I didn't expect. First half is mostly better for character reasons
Loved the ending despite it not being the one I wanted or hoped for. Sure I still wish it had the ending I hoped for but I don't think what I wanted would of been better or more honest.
The risks the story took definitely paid off for me. I didn't enjoy it much at first but it won me over. Made me feel things I didn't expect. First half is mostly better for character reasons
Loved the ending despite it not being the one I wanted or hoped for. Sure I still wish it had the ending I hoped for but I don't think what I wanted would of been better or more honest.
I think it'll go up once people have time to think on it. It's definitely not going to be as adored as the first game but I think the prevailing opinion will be that it took some bold risks and they mostly paid off.
Reminds me of how - and this has no reflection on the game spoiler-wise - I hated the Sopranos ending the first time I saw it. But after a few weeks I was like, "You know what? That was genius."
Reminds me of how - and this has no reflection on the game spoiler-wise - I hated the Sopranos ending the first time I saw it. But after a few weeks I was like, "You know what? That was genius."
I know, but at least they took that risk instead of doing the usual fan service game that there are tons of out there. In my opinion that's how you move gaming as a medium foward.
We disagree, I think it's the most interesting way they could have gone.
I am worried that because of the concentrated effort to tear this game down, developers like Naughty Dog will not take a big risk like this anymore.
The videogame industry is generally risk adverse and I feel like this game is proof of it.
I think sales will be the decider in the end and going by how Neil Druckman is acting on twitter they don't care about the review bombing that much.
But you have a point.
Watch Barlog go completely unhinged in the sequel now that he knows what he could get away with haha.
The game is divise for me in terms of my own enjoyment. I absolutely love the environments and gameplay, but I do not like the basic, contrived story so far with its one note morale it keeps banging on for hours on end, after the player got the simple point the first time. I'm past what I believe is the half-way point of the game. There has to come some giant pay-off/twist by the end if I'm to change my mind on the story. Dunno what Druckmann smoked to go from the first game to this.
I would admire if they did that. But I doubt even Sony would allow.
Also.
The difference is that ND wouldn't give Kratos a hero death. Because he is no hero. But SSM would, and would try to redeem him from all he did in the past.
As of right now, its obvious GamersTM are not mature enough to handle games or stories like this. I think in the future it will be looked at fondly.
Absolutely agree with this. The barrage of attacks are not legitimate critisism. It will take a while to actually see what people think about the game.
Absolutely agree with this. The barrage of attacks are not legitimate critisism. It will take a while to actually see what people think about the game.
ND (Both Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann) made this game knowing that it was going to be divise.
They said that, love or hate it, what's important for them is that it made people feel something.
But they way people are hating on the game is extremely unhealthy, in my opinion. You can dislike something, but threats ? Doing absolutely everything they can to make people hate it too ? Talking about the team on their behalf, when same team said that shitting on their work to "defend them" is the worst possible thing you could do to them ? Treating and insulting Neil while spreading misinformation about how he sees himself as a demi-god and other shit like that ?
Fuck man, it's more depressing then the actual game.
I know Naughty Dog is proud of their work. But I do wonder what Sony is thinking right now.
They said that, love or hate it, what's important for them is that it made people feel something.
But they way people are hating on the game is extremely unhealthy, in my opinion. You can dislike something, but threats ? Doing absolutely everything they can to make people hate it too ? Talking about the team on their behalf, when same team said that shitting on their work to "defend them" is the worst possible thing you could do to them ? Treating and insulting Neil while spreading misinformation about how he sees himself as a demi-god and other shit like that ?
Fuck man, it's more depressing then the actual game.
I know Naughty Dog is proud of their work. But I do wonder what Sony is thinking right now.
This could very well be true. Time will tell. It's certainly their best playing game ever in my opinion, far better than the first. Level design is better, the mechanics are much improved and expanded upon, the little physics puzzles are fun, exploration is more rewarding, the set-pieces are more impressive, enemies are much more varied and encounter design is much better in general.
It also really nails that feeling of a massive journey and it's a staggering technical achievement.
People wont like it as much as the first in general (although a lot will, or even more so) but i guess it wont be as divisive as TLJ.
Personally, i loved (loved!) TLJ for the themes it handled and how it made them work in the context of Star Wars BUT the Film has, im my opinion, some non-trivial issues with pacing and how it handles characters that are not central to the Storyline. If you don´t like what the Film does with its Story, the flaws become quite obvious imo. I´d say TloU2 has less Issues as a Videogame than TLJ has as a Film (on a more technical/"objective" [ugh, sorry] level).
Also, TLJ is much more daring and subversive in the Context of how Star Wars Stories (especially if you count the 30 years of EU content) usually are expected to "feel" than TloU2 is in the context of gritty apocalypse-media.
So, I think there´ll always be a specific subset of people who really just don´t like the Change from TloU1 (not counting alt-right assholes here) but i guess the larger mainstream wont be as divided as they are with TLJ.
Personally, i loved (loved!) TLJ for the themes it handled and how it made them work in the context of Star Wars BUT the Film has, im my opinion, some non-trivial issues with pacing and how it handles characters that are not central to the Storyline. If you don´t like what the Film does with its Story, the flaws become quite obvious imo. I´d say TloU2 has less Issues as a Videogame than TLJ has as a Film (on a more technical/"objective" [ugh, sorry] level).
Also, TLJ is much more daring and subversive in the Context of how Star Wars Stories (especially if you count the 30 years of EU content) usually are expected to "feel" than TloU2 is in the context of gritty apocalypse-media.
So, I think there´ll always be a specific subset of people who really just don´t like the Change from TloU1 (not counting alt-right assholes here) but i guess the larger mainstream wont be as divided as they are with TLJ.
The people who dislike or hate will continue to talk about it for years while the people who love it now will move on like it is for most games that have this sort of controversy. I guess you can consider that as future reception being divisive or negative.
Poorly put to avoid spoilers. I dislike the character. I intensely hate that
i have to play as her and from then on feel like i should care for the character that killed the MC of the first game. Like i dislike her as a character and i can understand her motivations. Even sympathise with them. But then asking me to play as the character that killed one of my favourite characters in gaming - it was just so sour for me.
There are certain...events in the storyline that we all had a sick feeling would happen and does happen in the game. Though will age fine and make the bood storytelling be more appreciated.
Then there are other events and and an ending that wont be. That will dampen and cause division not as bad as say TLJ, but enough that people will likely nowhere love the game as much as the first one. But love it nevertheless.
Then there are other events and and an ending that wont be. That will dampen and cause division not as bad as say TLJ, but enough that people will likely nowhere love the game as much as the first one. But love it nevertheless.
I can see it going to be like mgs2. Divisive now. Appreciated down the line.
Talked about for years to come.
One of the best selling games for Sony overall.
Talked about for years to come.
One of the best selling games for Sony overall.
not all stories need to give you the warm fuzzies. It seems like most gamers just wanted a retread of part1, so it's not surprising those same gamers can't really appreciate nuance.
The Last Jedi comparison is perfect too since the criticism will be split between people with real issues of the story/structure, and bad faith actors who'll latch onto the formers arguments while having more sinister reasons for not liking the game (ie alt right types).
Dude, the game is about as subtle as a slap in the face. It's not as deep as you think.
Arguably those people had their minds made up long before the game released, but people do change their feelings on media over time so I would not be surprised when given life experience they'll come to view the game more critically, particularly in the face of other media around the time of reflection.
This is the TLJ of video games. Some people love it to bits and will defend it forever, some people will hate it and try to shit on it forever. The people shitting on it will be a mix of genuine criticism and alt-right hatred of diversity. Both groups will claim they are the majority and we'll never know which one really is.
Right now it seems like people who dislike the game are the majority going by discussion and level of likes on social media, but people who are playing through the game and giving it a chance are much more likely to love it and its still early in release. We'll see. I think unless there's a big swing in opinion Naughty Dog made a big mistake here. They could have gone with a similarly bold narrative without pissing off a majority of their fans right off the bat. Hell, they could have even made this exact story work for more people with better execution. I just hope this doesn't damage their mainstream reputation.
Right now it seems like people who dislike the game are the majority going by discussion and level of likes on social media, but people who are playing through the game and giving it a chance are much more likely to love it and its still early in release. We'll see. I think unless there's a big swing in opinion Naughty Dog made a big mistake here. They could have gone with a similarly bold narrative without pissing off a majority of their fans right off the bat. Hell, they could have even made this exact story work for more people with better execution. I just hope this doesn't damage their mainstream reputation.
What are you even trying to say in this post lol? How deep do I think the game is? What did the game 'slap you in the face' with?
The Last of Us Part II condemned as ‘trauma porn’ over trans abuse plot
The Last of Us Part 2 introduces a transgender character, Lev, but the trans plot has been condemned as harmful by some gamers
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It will be interesting to see how Dontnod tackle trans issues with Tell Me Why, but gosh I hope they learn from this fuckup.
Divisive, there is an obvious disconnect between critics and a large swath of people who played it. Of course there will be gamers who gush over it and will fight back against the negativity. But it will be divisive, and since that's apparently what they wanted I feel that is the safe vote.
It's a question I'll have a better grasp of in a few weeks. Historically, Sony published games has a very high completion rate, with the likes of God of War 2018 and Spider-Man 2019 actually seeing more than half their playerbases finish the game. Naughty Dog games historically have around 40% of their playerbases finishing the game.
So, I'm paying attention at the proportion of players that get the trophy for finishing the game. As mentioned, 40% is the benchmark for Naughty Dog games. 30% would be notable, since I think that would mark the lowest completion percentage for any of Sony's recent Western developed titles (Horizon Zero Dawn has a 35% completion rate). 20% would clearly indicate there's an issue, and 10% would probably be an all-time low for a Sony published game.
If I was to put my metaphorical chips on an answer, I'd go for "very divisive" since the responses to the game have been complete Marmite.
So, I'm paying attention at the proportion of players that get the trophy for finishing the game. As mentioned, 40% is the benchmark for Naughty Dog games. 30% would be notable, since I think that would mark the lowest completion percentage for any of Sony's recent Western developed titles (Horizon Zero Dawn has a 35% completion rate). 20% would clearly indicate there's an issue, and 10% would probably be an all-time low for a Sony published game.
If I was to put my metaphorical chips on an answer, I'd go for "very divisive" since the responses to the game have been complete Marmite.
Continue to believe I played a completely different game to some people. Can't believe some of the stuff I've been reading these past few days. Hah!
As with most very divisive media, it will stay that way. Whether the game will remain relevant for analysis is hard to predict. I'm immediately sceptical when I see critics say 'this is what gaming needed' or 'the most relevant and thematically resonant story ever told in games', as my experience with stuff like that is that it's often blown way out of proportion and comes from a position of ignorance of other game narratives. I mean, The Last of Us 2 isn't the first and won't be the last game to be thematically about the corruption and circular nature of extreme violence.
Then again, I haven't played the game (and probably never will, unless it somehow comes to PC or I suddenly decide to buy a PlayStation 4/5), so maybe TLoU2 does provide a brilliant and completely unique take on it's themes and of course, I cannot predict the future so maybe we will still be talking about TLoU2 in 10 years (in another way that 'a TLoU2 remaster is released!'), but from what I've seen I doubt it.
Then again, I haven't played the game (and probably never will, unless it somehow comes to PC or I suddenly decide to buy a PlayStation 4/5), so maybe TLoU2 does provide a brilliant and completely unique take on it's themes and of course, I cannot predict the future so maybe we will still be talking about TLoU2 in 10 years (in another way that 'a TLoU2 remaster is released!'), but from what I've seen I doubt it.
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It's an excellent and really bold experience. There's very little like this in the gaming space. Hopefully some of the people hung up on some of its story turns can come around and at least judge it for what it is. I imagine it will remain divisive.
The imbecilic bigots and harassers can eat shit and die as far as I'm concerned whoever.
CloudWolf you really shouldn't be judging TLOU2 without even playing it.
The imbecilic bigots and harassers can eat shit and die as far as I'm concerned whoever.
CloudWolf you really shouldn't be judging TLOU2 without even playing it.
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Not judging the game, just judging reviewer quotes like 'This is what gaming needed' or 'Unlike anything else ever in gaming' on the past experiences of those kind of quotes being wildly exaggerated and saying that it's very hard to go on quotes like that to accurately gauge the academic value of a game like this. Like you said, I'm not in the position of actually judging the game since I haven't played it.
This is why I didn't pay attention to a single review. The only opinion that matters to me is mine. Especially with how everyone was hamstrung by NDA shenanigans, unable to talk about a rather large and important part of the game. That's why you can't get any kind of full picture from reading pre-release TLOU2 reviews.
Generally a healthy position to take, too bad too many people don't.
