And the wii u disc is basically the same size as the tablet itself.
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How confident are you that the Switch's successor will be backwards compatible with Switch games?
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It's Nintendo and Nintendo supports BC when possible, only when there is a hardware hurdle do they not do BC.
The Nvidia partnership is going to keep going, so there is no reason to think BC is unlikely.
Switch Pro wouldn't be a successor, it'd be a refresh like the DSi. This discussion is about the actual successor. Unless you are insinuating that Nintendo is never going to make a successor... which would make no sense.
GameCube -> Wii -> WiiU used the same architecture too so it was easy to do backwards compatibility, each console is pretty much just a more powerful version of the previous one. WiiU doesn't have bc because they probably didn't want to put GC controller ports and memory card slots on the thing.
Kinda the same for the GB->GBC->GBA->DS->3DS.
The Switch is a completely different architecture from both so it's not that simple, but I don't think they'll change it for the next system, so it should have bc.
Fair enough, people just keep mentioning the "Pro" in posts, so I was confused.
This makes no sense as the Nintendo-y thing is BC. It's like y'all are intentionally ignoring history just because
The fact that Nintendo has been all about having the most games on the platform tells me they won't start anew, or they will have to build the software base again. Wii U burned them. All their games sell like hotcakes without the need for rereleases and will keep selling. Mario Kart is just as evergreen as GTAV.
What was the Switch backwards-compatible with?
I understand Nintendo has a history with BC, especially with its handheld consoles, but if there's one thing I've learned as a Nintendo fan, it's that nothing's a sure thing with that company.
If you are asking about the Switch pro, it's safe to assume that will be compatible with Switch games.
If you are asking about what comes after that, nobody knows.
If you are asking about what comes after that, nobody knows.
Yup, and if they want to rerelease a game all they have to do is make a remaster.
What could the Switch be backwards-compatible with?
Nothing. The answer is nothing. It's an entirely new platform. It doesn't run Wii U disks. It has an entirely new OS. It has an entirely new architecture. It has an entirely new cart system. It dropped stylus support - the screen is nothing like DS or Wii U.
The Wii U was a flop because it had no games and wasn't understood as a sequel to Wii, even if Nintendo gave it all to make it work with their past ecosystem. Wii basically integrated with the GC. DS could have dropped support for the GBA and yet it didn't.
Nintendo literally became Valve to have stuff to be played on and get credit from devs, and had to port everything again, not to force people to buy again - buy what? disks? - but because they had to have a lineup for people (that sells a shit ton, guess people do love to buy Mario Kart again and again /s) and AAA is expensive even if from Nintendo.
What could have they done differently? An emulator for a Wii U on a portable system that is barely more powerful? Is that a joke?
What was Switch supposed to be backwards compatible with? It doesn't have a blu ray drive, it doesn't have 2 screens, the hardware is an entirely different architecture from their previous stuff and is provided by a different company (Nvidia).
Nothing is a sure thing with any company. None of the hardware manufacturers have offered full BC because sometimes they can't do it. If you think Nintendo's history suggests a 30 percent chance at BC here then you don't know their history.
Nintendo are officially openly testing artificial scarcity with M3DAS so I'm fully banking on them testing a new console with 0 back compat if only to force users to rebuy ports and rereleases.
Banking on it
EDIT: Forgot the Switch wasn't backwards compatible lol galaxy brain (but definitely see it as a continuing trend, and I'm still banking on it)
Banking on it
EDIT: Forgot the Switch wasn't backwards compatible lol galaxy brain (but definitely see it as a continuing trend, and I'm still banking on it)
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people would still come in and say "lol prolly not cuz nintendon't"
Have people been paying no attention to Nintendo's console history.
Where backward's compatibility is possible, it's been there. Nearly every time except for the handful of moments when Nintendo completely went in a different direction like moving from CDs to carts.
Where backward's compatibility is possible, it's been there. Nearly every time except for the handful of moments when Nintendo completely went in a different direction like moving from CDs to carts.
You mean the same company that released mini versions for a limited time that sold like hotcakes of Snes and Nes are doing a limited run of something?
Omg, I couldn't have ever seen that coming.
You're insulting me for agreeing with you???wtf
This has literally been their standard practice for anniversary collections for ages... They aren't testing shit.
Yeah I guess we agree? I am very confused if you're saying that Nintendo will just rerelease everything again on Switch 2 lol.
I said if they want to rerelease a game they can just remaster it, as in if they want to sell more copies than what BC will give them. I'm saying that that BC wouldn't suddenly make them unable to release new versions of old games, not that they will rerelease everything.
You all bring up good points, and I'll be extremely happy to see my extensive Switch library play on their new machine, but I just can't shake this feeling that the new, more powerful console could potentially mess that up somehow.
Will they stick with carts? What will happen with games that are in the 50gb range or higher? How expensive will these carts be if that's the case? I think Nintendo is in a bit of a bind if they want to continue using small carts for their games, especially when it comes to big third party stuff.
Nintendo "never artificially limit their stock" is a large part of the zeitgeist even though it's so blatantly obvious that they do, and now they're just coming out and proving it without a shadow of a doubt with M3DAS.
What I'm saying is that Nintendo are egregiously ungenerous and will only get worse as the market normalises the swathes of gross sales tactics becoming popular over the years.
I'm sorry but you suck at understanding how Nintendo works.
They are not as much as a wildcard as you seem to think, Switch isn't BC not because some random whim, but because the change of architecture and form factor.
Same goes with the Super Mario collection, people are swearing that they didn't expect this at all but this isn't the first time this happens, we already saw something similar on Gamecube with the Zelda Collectors disc and its limited availability through the Club Nintendo and some random console bundle.
"Lol Nintendo" is a meme that reeks of ignorance.
Well some games are shipping on 32gig carts now. The cost for 64 gig carts will likely be lower than that in 3-4 years. I think they'll stick with this format, especially since the other two now have reduced storage space due to SSD. Games sizes shouldn't get too out of hand.
Nintendo artificially limiting stock has nothing to do with backwards compatibility...?
People will praise Nintendo for releasing full price upres poets of games that should be backwards compatible.
I never claimed to be a Nintendo pro. Just sharing my thoughts on a message board.
No chance. Especially not now they've had a taste of how easily they can repackage the previous gen's games as full price releases again with minimal work put in and still sell millions.
Why would they stop using cards? They'll just do updated cards that are faster and can hold more like DS>3DS.
Mario All Stars and the Kirby Anniversary Collection on Wii were limited time products, was that them testing "false scarsity" to not do BC on Wii U? No, it wasn't.
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And console warriors will make dumb drive-by post trying to look smart.
I can see you've been having a field day
Yeah, just like how Sony and MS dropped BC because of HD remasters! Oh wait.
You should probably read this thread and see why this argument has been thoroughly debunked.
Nintendo being Nintendo and making decisions that most people would consider absolutely incompetently unthinkable is the link between the two.
Will Nintendo let you buy M3DAS after March 2021? Will Nintendo let you play previous games on their new console in 202X? At this point it's just safer to assume the worst 🤷
Maybe so, but there's a lot of precedent set when they're very openly limiting the sale of their most prominent IP and some of its strongest legacy titles during a time where more eyes are on them now than over the last 10 years
Don't expect anything from a new hardware, because Nintendo always suprises. They could do Switch 2 or something completely new. Having said that I want a Switch 2 and think Switch is the best idea Nintendo had for hardware. Sorry, off topic
The Wii was a massive success and they still did limited time availability for anniversary collections. It's just what they do for anniversary collections, it has nothing to do with them not doing BC.
I would personally argue that the core demographic of the Wii was vastly different to that of the Switch, which still makes this feel a lot worse than their previous anniversary releases.
The Switch (I'm admittedly assuming) has a much denser 16-30 install base than the Wii did, during a time where information propagation is at an all-time high and continuing to rise and with the product itself targeting the nostalgia of a generation who have generally been marred by the damages of destructive market practices and an unstable, predatory economy.
Maybe I'm wrong, but the two scenarios don't feel quite the same to me.
I just wouldn't be surprised to find Nintendo going the route of the straight resold limited time port in place of BC or even remakes at the detriment of the customer because it's no doubt easier, and will still sell regardless
If it's Switch 2 or same architecture I'm certain it will.
They got a good track record of BC on earlier systems.
They got a good track record of BC on earlier systems.
Honestly? 100%
Whenever they've been able to offer backwards compatibility, they've offered it. Same as Sony and Microsoft. Unless there's some drastic change in architecture, concept, or cartridge format, it's basically guaranteed
Whenever they've been able to offer backwards compatibility, they've offered it. Same as Sony and Microsoft. Unless there's some drastic change in architecture, concept, or cartridge format, it's basically guaranteed
Considering how well remasters did on the PS4/XB1, for Sony's own games as well, like The Last of Us, they could've also just not bothered to offer backwards compatibility with their next systems but they did. Never mind that Nintendo didn't deliberately limit backwards compatibility from successful systems like the Wii, DS, GB/GBC, and GBA. Not to mention, the Wii U sold so badly that its games had their sales potential handicapped whereas the same doesn't apply for the Switch so there wouldn't be anywhere near the ROI with Switch ports as there are for Wii U ports
I hope so, man do I hope so.
I think its increasingly obvious I'm just incredibly jaded by this industry at this point and that hoping for even the smallest hopes feels utterly daft in 2020
lol Yeah, you definitely see jaded. I won't say nothing bad can happen, of course it can, but, with past history, we can judge that it's unlikely to lack backwards compatibility
Nintendo supports BC more than Sony and Microsft ever did. If you join the efforts Sony and MS ever did to implement BC into their consoles it would not come close to what Nintendo does.
So, why not?
So, why not?