How come Age of Empires 4 was the biggest game in regards to metrics at X019, but it doesn't seem that way on Era?

unapersson · Nov 17, 2019

zedox said:
You would think that all of the shit that "era" talked about Microsoft Store, Epic Store, etc... that they would also talk about the games of PC a lot and especially one of the most popular PC franchises ever (and Flight Sim) amongst other pc franchises...but here we are. It seems to me that there's a large group of users who have shit to talk about with certain companies or things that a company does even though they don't really impact them. That's how I view it.

I think there are other websites where people talk about different genres of PC games, my brother runs one, discussion here seems to be more related to cross platform games that also run on PC. So often more about performance rather than the games themselves.

Plus a lot of us who do game on PC are often playing older games due to the sheer breadth of the library, things that don't necessarily create a lot of discussions. I've been spending a lot of time playing a strategy game from 1999 this weekend.

I used to talk a lot more about Microsoft when they were actively trying to kill the platform I game on, but these days they're much more friendly.

Lothars · Nov 17, 2019

AuthenticM said:
A bunch of them were constantly shitting up Steam and Epic Games Store threads and were antagonistic towards the staff. Some of them got banned.

It was more that they got targeted by posters who were fanboying for a certain storefront but don't care about pc gaming and it immensely hurt the pc community in here.

Ishmae1 · Nov 17, 2019

Hey, I'm excited.

zedox · Nov 17, 2019

Ishmae1 said:
Hey, I'm excited.

Be quiet shill. ;) <3

TheRaidenPT · Nov 17, 2019

I love Age of Empires...

I just felt confused if they are actually going to deliver a good game and if people will indeed come back for an RTS in 2020? (2021?) whenever it comes out.

Theorry · Nov 17, 2019

TheRaidenPT said:
I love Age of Empires...

I just felt confused if they are actually going to deliver a good game and if people will indeed come back for an RTS in 2020? (2021?) whenever it comes out.

Age 2 def edition is doing great. Dont say why this one wont and probably even better. People are waiting a long time for 4.

Crayon · Nov 17, 2019

This thread is so salty. Maybe this is why we don't talk about aoe.

Hamster Plugin · Nov 17, 2019

cakely said:
Is AoE IV is a going to be only available on the Windows Store? Or will it get a Steam release like AoE and AoE II?

It will be on Steam, like other upcoming Microsoft PC games. AOE 2 DE seems to be doing very well on Steam so it would be a bad idea to skip it now.

SuikerBrood · Nov 17, 2019

Ishmae1 said:
Hey, I'm excited.

You should be! My first impressions have been very positive. Keep up with the good work. Diving into AoE2 atm.

Combichristoffersen · Nov 17, 2019

Crayon said:
Xbox excludive.

Even better, an Xbox exclusive that can't be played on the Xbox :p

Godzilla24 said:
I would bet my house they will bring the game to Xbox scarlet with keyboard and mouse support.

Possibly. How have RTS games sold on consoles traditionally? Before Halo Wars I can't imagine RTS games selling all that much on consoles.

TheRaidenPT · Nov 17, 2019

Theorry said:
Age 2 def edition is doing great. Dont say why this one wont and probably even better. People are waiting a long time for 4.

I know I am currently playing playing Age 2 and will be there day 1 for it, I'm not sure if everyone who did before will defintley come back.. We gotta wait and see I suppose but it's really really nice to see them finally doing Age 4.

Wish Ensemble Studios was still open..

Ploid 6.0 · Nov 17, 2019

SuikerBrood said:
So there is work to do. Let's get more PC gamers on this forum.

PC has many other and better focused places to go for info and dicussion. I loved AOE 2 when I was in high school, it could run on libraryand lab computers. If I wanted to discuss the trailer I'd go to youtube AOE2 content creater channels (there are some good ones out there), reddit AOE sub, or just look up news on it in Google.

SuikerBrood · Nov 17, 2019

TheRaidenPT said:
I know I am currently playing playing Age 2 and will be there day 1 for it, I'm not sure if everyone who did before will defintley come back.. We gotta wait and see I suppose but it's really really nice to see them finally doing Age 4.

Wish Ensemble Studios was still open..

Let's hope World's Edge can somewhat replace Ensemble.

Virtua King · Nov 17, 2019

I'm excited, but there's not much to discuss yet. That, and I'm a much bigger fan of AoM than AoE.

Deleted member 51691 · Nov 17, 2019

Flight Sim is another game with huge metrics but not a huge following on Era. The E3 trailer has over a million views, and the X019 trailer is another standout in terms of views.

Anno · Nov 17, 2019

It's the curse of being interested in traditionally PC-focused genres on this forum. Unless some people band together and really promote a game as a community it tends to get very little traction even if it's very popular.

martincrimson87 · Nov 17, 2019

LittleBigGamer said:
It has many people who don't really care about games in general, and they just know only the wow etc.

Really? Why is ok to dismiss a huge number of MMORPG gamers as casuals? Actually the PS4 is the most casual platform there is:

PS4 Starting Pack by region

North America

Madden/NBA 2K (typically bundled with console)
Fortnite/Apex Legends
COD
GTA
Minecraft
Netflix
PS Plus (Install some games, don't play them most of the time)

South America/Europe

FIFA (Bundled with console - will be traded each year to get the upcoming version)
Ps Plus to play Ultimate Team (Does not know/care to add the ps plus games to his/her library)
GTA
Fortnite/Apex Legends
Netflix

That's 75% to 80% of the PlayStation market Far, far, far away from the audience Reset Era believes the PS brand has (the hardcore single player JRPG/Action Adventure AAA audience) The PS4 catalog could be comprised by say... 10 of those games above and sales would remain strong.

MattHeus · Nov 17, 2019

Some massive PC games have barely no traction on ERA: League, Dota, CS, PoE...

They only get remembered here when there is some controversy happening

kyo2004 · Nov 17, 2019

Yeah... It happens regularly here since the 80% of content on this site is Nintendo/Sony drive.

I'm an AoE II fan and the AoEIV trailer was amazing (but a bit short). Hoping Relic could show the game more regularly and even tease us with a more modern Age (my dream is that Relic gave us a Libertadores campaign)...

Yearsoflurking · Nov 17, 2019

Era typically doesn't care about many things that aren't single player action games, besides that it's Microsoft they don't really have a huge place here.

Deleted member 3196 · Nov 17, 2019

Lothars said:
It was more that they got targeted by posters who were fanboying for a certain storefront but don't care about pc gaming and it immensely hurt the pc community in here.

Basically this. There was a lot of bad faith shitposting from people delighting in console-style platform wars coming to the PC and enjoying winding people up about it.

Proven · Nov 17, 2019

There are a lot of huge games that aren't popular on here because this forum has a very specific audience.

sirap · Nov 17, 2019

Consoles reign supreme here and a lot of PC enthusiasts have left ERA.

Shodan14 · Nov 17, 2019

No respect for the PC classics.

sirap said:
Consoles reign supreme here and a lot of PC enthusiasts have left ERA.

Where to? I'd love to join them.

Anth0ny · Nov 17, 2019

It's one of those franchises that I think speaks a lot to lapsed gamers. Same thing with Diablo 3 when it was announced. My group of friends who mostly don't play games at all anymore heard about it and were really excited.

Sotha_Sil · Nov 17, 2019

Need to make a Hideo Kojima NPC in AOE4 and Era we'll have four threads a day on AOE4.

Crossing Eden · Nov 17, 2019

lucebuce said:
ERA is largely console focused, this shouldn't be anything new.

Games like Dota 2 and CS:GO have a very small presence on this forum despite being one of the most popular games out there.

Hell, even games like Fortnite have a small presence on Era and the threads about it are typically filled with a lot of negativity, there are a good amount of games where the community isn't "with it."

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Nov 17, 2019

As a PC only player I tend to stick to communities of games I play consistently. There are solid reasons for this. I do not feel like outlier opinions are very welcome and get hostile responses that lead to over-reactive moderation. I do not see that in individual communities, with the exception of some that are cross-platform but at least not nearly as bad as gaming forum can be. Anyway, that is just my, one person, perspective as a PC only gamer been around since the old site and since the start of this one.

David Addison · Nov 17, 2019

SuikerBrood said:
The trailer for Age of Empires 4 was by far the biggest and most watched trailer on YouTube of all the X019 trailers. But it seems on ResetEra the game doesn't get that much coverage and isn't talked about a whole lot. Do strategy fans not visit resetera? Or gaming forums in general?

This "gameplay reveal" features only barely more gameplay than the original announcement trailer from August 2017, to the point where it's not even clear if the player is interacting with anything. What's there to even talk about?

cakely · Nov 17, 2019

Hamster Plugin said:
It will be on Steam, like other upcoming Microsoft PC games. AOE 2 DE seems to be doing very well on Steam so it would be a bad idea to skip it now.

Well, that's awesome.

For the record: I am one of those people that's interested in AoE IV. The trailers look great.

Mercador · Nov 17, 2019

I've checked the trailer 3-4 times, I find it hard to shallow that it could look like this. Not the graphics per say, but the AI pathfinding. Unless you try to micromanage every movement and even then.

Massicot · Nov 17, 2019

Mentalist said:
Not to mention a bunch of us AoE fans aren't around right now, because we're playing AoE2 DE, lol.

This is my excuse, it's all I've done all weekend...

JayWood2010 · Nov 17, 2019

cakely said:
Even if this was true (and it isn't), Age of Empires IV isn't Xbox focused or related. It's a Windows 10 game.

It is completely true, but you can act like it isn't, and as I said, Era is also very console oriented. AoE is a PC game first and foremost. It however is a Xbox Game Studio game as well.

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Uzzy · Nov 17, 2019

1. We're all busy playing AoE2 DE
2. Strategy games are a niche of PC games which is a bigger niche, but still a niche. The discussions tend to be a bit more insular too, as a different knowledge base is needed really.
3. Lots of PC gamers got driven away over the whole Epic Game Store drama this past year. Which was awesome. Thanks for that.
4. There's not a lot to discuss about it, other than it existing which we already knew.

Anyway, best way to encourage discussion about games you want to talk about is by opening threads about them. So what about AoEIV do you want to talk about SuikerBrood

Tagyhag · Nov 17, 2019

It's true that ERA is primarily console gamers but even if it wasn't, there's not really much to talk about for 4. we just saw a short preview and a few minutes of dev talks.

I'm very excited about the game but all its discussion would basically be very vague assumptions.

Though I'm happy to hear that it was the biggest game in metrics, there's a reason why the series is considered one of the best RTS series.

Also, AOE 2 DE came out, PLAY THAT PEOPLE!

Mr.Deadshot · Nov 17, 2019

JayWood2010 said:
It is completely true, but you can act like it isn't, and as I said, Era is also very console oriented. AoE is a PC game first and foremost. It however is a Xbox Game Studio game as well.

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Calling it an Xbox game when it's not even on Xbox is the cheapest move ever to fight the "Xbox has no games" stigma. It's a PC game (for now). Renaming Microsoft game studios into Xbox game studios or calling the pc app XBOX App doesn't change that.

m_dorian · Nov 17, 2019

Uzzy said:
1. We're all busy playing AoE2 DE
2. Strategy games are a niche of PC games which is a bigger niche, but still a niche. The discussions tend to be a bit more insular too, as a different knowledge base is needed really.
3. Lots of PC gamers got driven away over the whole Epic Game Store drama this past year. Which was awesome. Thanks for that.
4. There's not a lot to discuss about it, other than it existing which we already knew.

Anyway, best way to encourage discussion about games you want to talk about is by opening threads about them. So what about AoEIV do you want to talk about SuikerBrood

Why happy about #3?

JayWood2010 · Nov 17, 2019

Mr.Deadshot said:
Calling it an Xbox game when it's not even on Xbox is the cheapest move ever to fight the "Xbox has no games" stigma. It's a PC game (for now). Renaming Microsoft game studios into Xbox game studios or calling the pc app XBOX App doesn't change that.

Xbox is a platform. As for the console "Xbox One", what we do know is that they plan to "figure out" how to do Age of Empires II on console after release. I suspect the same will happen with AoE4.

No stigma. I think Xbox, both as a platform and as console has a very bright future filled with a lot of high quality games across several genres and budgets. X019 is just the beginning of a new xbox era.

viral · Nov 17, 2019

martincrimson87 said:
Really? Why is ok to dismiss a huge number of MMORPG gamers as casuals?

He never said anything bout being casual, and he is not wrong at all. A large amount of PC players don't care about new games, and stick to playing WoW/LoL/CS/whatever they've been playing for years. Most of my PC gamer friends are like this, and me too to an extent.

Artdayne · Nov 17, 2019

This forum is almost entirely filled with discussions about AAA games on Playstation and Nintendo, specifically single player games. A game can be ridiculously popular on PC but it's just not going to get much traction here unfortunately.

Moebius · Nov 17, 2019

I'm extremely excited. I hope this ushers in the next wave of RTS games (PC ONLY). RTS games got real bad when companies tried to make them work on consoles. RTS games DO work on consoles but they just aren't as good. They should be PC only. I wish Halo Wars took this approach. The game was fine but there wasn't a lot of depth. I think it could have been a lot better if it was PC only.

Speaking of RTS games, can we get the middle earth RTS game on steam?

Artdayne · Nov 17, 2019

I love Total War but I'm just so glad to get a medieval Age of Empires game, RTS is a bit more fun I think compared to how Total War is designed.

Acidote · Nov 17, 2019

Because it's a PC game, and Resetera is mostly not a place for PC games.

Chie Satonaka91 · Nov 17, 2019

I'm not interested in AoE 4 anymore since it's medieval. I wanted something more modern. Now I just won't think about or discuss the game, which is a shame since I loved the first 3.

eonden · Nov 17, 2019

m_dorian said:
Why happy about #3?

Sarcasm

SuikerBrood · Nov 17, 2019

Uzzy said:
1. We're all busy playing AoE2 DE
2. Strategy games are a niche of PC games which is a bigger niche, but still a niche. The discussions tend to be a bit more insular too, as a different knowledge base is needed really.
3. Lots of PC gamers got driven away over the whole Epic Game Store drama this past year. Which was awesome. Thanks for that.
4. There's not a lot to discuss about it, other than it existing which we already knew.

Anyway, best way to encourage discussion about games you want to talk about is by opening threads about them. So what about AoEIV do you want to talk about SuikerBrood

Theorry just opened a topic about the lack of microtransactions in Age 4. We've had a thread about the chosen era for the game. That's the kind of discussion I was expecting. But I guess there is a lack of controversy around this game too. The chosen era is to most peoples liking, the gameplay that was shown looked really good and all of the dev interviews contained things that pleased the fans. (No microtransactions, PC only, oldskool RTS gameplay, history based campaigns, etc.)

Moebius said:
I'm extremely excited. I hope this ushers in the next wave of RTS games (PC ONLY). RTS games got real bad when companies tried to make them work on consoles. RTS games DO work on consoles but they just aren't as good. They should be PC only. I wish Halo Wars took this approach. The game was fine but there wasn't a lot of depth. I think it could have been a lot better if it was PC only.

Speaking of RTS games, can we get the middle earth RTS game on steam?

I want a new Battle for Middle Earth.

EdgeXL · Nov 17, 2019

Era is not wholly representative of the gaming community.

WellbornWarrior · Nov 17, 2019

I for one am still waiting on actual gameplay.

danrbg · Nov 17, 2019

ERA moves with a narrative marked in favor of a console.

demondance · Nov 17, 2019

I can't remember if it was Era or GAF, but I remember a thread packed with people utterly confused that Civilization is one of the most popular, profitable franchises in gaming.

People are generally pretty out of touch with gaming outside of the big consoles around here. Even the EGS blowup that took the entire gaming internet by storm was largely turned into a console vs. PC kerfuffle on this place lol

How come Age of Empires 4 was the biggest game in regards to metrics at X019, but it doesn't seem that way on Era?

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