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If it goes through, it will prevent him from campaigning for a second term.
I'd imagine it depends on what mconnel and the party brass indicate and if they think their party could sustain giving trump the boot. It may be signal the death knell of a few republican careers before long
if he's on board, there might be enough.
2 days, it's taking a bit longer to go to floor because they are attempting to bypass the steps and get the senate vote in 2days of it hitting the floor
Here, I'll predict Republican senators' words on the debate floor, with one hundred percent accuracy:
"While we condemn the actions and words of Donald Trump and his role in the attempted insurrection in Capitol Hill, now is not the time for further divide. We have a new administration coming in a week; this is merely an attempt by Democrats to unnecessarily inflame a further schism in America. They are not interested in unity, they are interested only in revenge. We need to let the nation heal."
Ugh.
"While we condemn the actions and words of Donald Trump and his role in the attempted insurrection in Capitol Hill, now is not the time for further divide. We have a new administration coming in a week; this is merely an attempt by Democrats to unnecessarily inflame a further schism in America. They are not interested in unity, they are interested only in revenge. We need to let the nation heal."
Ugh.
Let's hope Republicans' self-interest and desire to not have to run against Trump in the future wins out.
I support any way to hurt this piece of garbage. Impeach and remove. How long until Melania files for divorce? She better get that money before all the civil cases get filed.
Would be hilarious if human fecal stain Ted Cruz votes in favor of impeachment in order to proactively prevent trump from running against him the repub primaries for 2024.
It will get some R votes this time, probably. But basically 0% chance it gets to 2/3.
With our luck... "failed to impeach" twice.
EDIT: Will leave my original comment in there... but I just meant he stayed in office even after that. So failed to boot him out? I dunno!
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Apart from his cult, and a good chunk of 75 the million people that voted for him
What I'm more curious about is how Mitch McConnell will vote. I can honestly see him going either way since he was condemning Trump's election dispute bullshit, and of course just being usual Mitch McConnell and voting not to convince him anyway.
He was successfully impeached the first time. Impeachment is the part of the process that occurs in the House. Remove is what the Senate does.
What a historic President:
- Lost the popular vote... twice.
- Impeached... twice.
- Incited open armed insurrection against the government and (pathetically) tried to stage a coup
- Tiny hands and a tiny inauguration crowd
Throw the book at him. I know Republicans will obstruct, but do it anyway. Put them on the record as supporting treason.
- Lost the popular vote... twice.
- Impeached... twice.
- Incited open armed insurrection against the government and (pathetically) tried to stage a coup
- Tiny hands and a tiny inauguration crowd
Throw the book at him. I know Republicans will obstruct, but do it anyway. Put them on the record as supporting treason.
If Republicans really honestly believe that impeaching the President will further divide the country, why don't they convince Pence to invoke the 25th amendment? If the Republicans get him to step down, doesn't that eliminate a lot of the divisiveness?
Nothing in the constitution says shit about a committee. There are a lot of smart people in DC. If the dems wanted it, they could've had impeachment on the floor on Wednesday-early Thursday (after the EC counting was done). Thursday at the latest.
Welp. Good to know my mental model of shitheads is entirely accurate.
This. Get Cruz, Hawley, etc. on record voting against conviction or impeachment and you have all the attack ads you need for their next run. Get McConnell to not bring it up in the Senate or to rush it through again.
Republicans better hope he resigns over the weekend, if it gets to the Senate they're gonna get primaried from their right if they do convict (LOL unlikely) or they get their No votes on conviction as a scarlet letter for the eventual general elections in 2022 and 2024. This will allow Dems to reverse Pelosi attack ad Republicans with regard to the question of who controls the Senate and remind people they don't deserve it because when the question was asked, whether a seditionist, insurrectionist President occupied the office and whether he should stay in his office, they didn't do jack shit.
WH spox calls for healing:
Jim Acosta @Acosta
WH statement on new impeachment proceedings: "As President Trump said yesterday, this is a time for healing and unity as one Nation. A politically motivated impeachment against a President with 12 days remaining in his term will only serve to further divide our great country."
4:24 PM · Jan 8, 2021
WH statement on new impeachment proceedings: "As President Trump said yesterday, this is a time for healing and unity as one Nation. A politically motivated impeachment against a President with 12 days remaining in his term will only serve to further divide our great country."
4:24 PM · Jan 8, 2021
Oh no big deal, it's just the weekend and he knows they're going to do something on Monday.
What the fuck can go wrong with a cornered animal? You've given him the clear indication you're going to eradicate him, and he's already seen he has an army on standby.
Do it fucking now. Jesus fucking Christ.
What the fuck can go wrong with a cornered animal? You've given him the clear indication you're going to eradicate him, and he's already seen he has an army on standby.
Do it fucking now. Jesus fucking Christ.
All this will do is cause him to get banned from Twitter by the time the weekend is out.
they should do something once he is out though for sure.
they should do something once he is out though for sure.
No problem, every republican who votes No will be named and shamed as appeasers and enablers.
This obviously doesn't mean anything to republican voters. Most of them are selfish imbeciles. But journalists and outlets won't take them seriously ever again, or platform them without bringing it up.
You mean "failed to convict"
He got impeached already. Bill Clinton got impeached.
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About the only logic I can use to rationalize this delay is this does give Trump just enough rope to hang himself with further and neuter the Republican counter argument bullshit.
He will be festering from Fox and his sycophants and if he does do something stupid, you'll be putting the Republicans even more on their back foot by throwing it into their lap and having to justify sitting on it or voting it down.
I agree.
About the only logic I can use to rationalize this delay is this does give Trump just enough rope to hang himself with further and neuter the Republican counter argument bullshit.
He will be festering from Fox and his sycophants and if he does do something stupid, you'll be putting the Republicans even more on their back foot by throwing it into their lap and having to justify sitting on it or voting it down.
Bolton tried to argue there'd be two presidents in between the letters being sent back and forth. But he's a liar (and a war monger). Only Pence would be president, and Trump would cease to have any power the moment it was invoked.
They can collectively get fucked. The only reason he even made that video is because he values his fucking Twitter account over the political stability of America. He'd be out there cheering the insurrectionists on and inciting more terrorism if he didn't fear losing Twitter access again. Every one of those people talking about 'healing' and 'unity' can shove it up straight up their asses.
This is also the big one.
Because I do not see a world where Trump just goes away and he is only going to be more unhinged and reputationally toxic to moderate Republicans(which is sort of an oxymoron at this point) and senators like Graham and Collins and McConnell having to defend refusing to remove an insurrectionist will stain them for as long as the Democrats can play the media on it right or Trump continues being Trump.
Fuck it, whether the votes are there or not, let's impeach. We're in an ultra super lame dead duck period, might as well do something.
Everybody wants to talk about impeachment as a precedent, but like what does speed running an impeachment in 9 days look like for precedent's sake and how will the Republican party wield it if Dems go through with this. Like the man is done and leaving in 12 days. You get a star on a piece of paper for "precedent" out of this if you do it, a piece of paper Republicans haven't read in 4 full years and will not read as long as they exist (his MAGA supporters even less so). Meanwhile, you cripple your own arguments against Republicans rushing to do things time and time again in the eyes of many less politically active citizens. Not to mention, you make him into even more of a martyr to his base that has literally just been run out of the mainstream and give them yet another rally point after they were kind of turning on each other in the aftermath of Wednesday and Trump throwing them under the bus.
Now Trump will get some of his "anti deep state" cred back while Cruz and Hawley get another opportunity to grand stand conservative values in preparation for their 2024 campaigns and nothing practical will come of this. Like, this isn't even the fight to hold him directly accountable in the eyes of the law in a meaningful way, it's just another hail mary that institutionally you're doing the right thing for an institution that Trump and Republicans just spent 4 years showing you is fundamentally broken and utterly inconsequential when you in a position of power just refuse to acknowledge it.
Go after all the idiots who have another 2 years or more in congress and played active roles in what happened Wednesday, go after Trump after he's out of office and can't claim any protections, or just anything else that will have more consequence than impeaching him a second time with 9 days left.
Now Trump will get some of his "anti deep state" cred back while Cruz and Hawley get another opportunity to grand stand conservative values in preparation for their 2024 campaigns and nothing practical will come of this. Like, this isn't even the fight to hold him directly accountable in the eyes of the law in a meaningful way, it's just another hail mary that institutionally you're doing the right thing for an institution that Trump and Republicans just spent 4 years showing you is fundamentally broken and utterly inconsequential when you in a position of power just refuse to acknowledge it.
Go after all the idiots who have another 2 years or more in congress and played active roles in what happened Wednesday, go after Trump after he's out of office and can't claim any protections, or just anything else that will have more consequence than impeaching him a second time with 9 days left.
lmao "it's time to heal and move forward". Yeah, impeaching Trump a second time is part of that.
I understand that symbolically this is important and should be done, but does this process stop Trump from doing anything from now and Jan 20th? He's going to be dropping a ton of pardons, including for his family. It's a real shame we can't do anything to block that.
You can't be serious about this shit. No media outlet is going to stop when news and headlines about their insanity brings them more money to their platform. There's a reason Trump never fell out of favor in media coverage, and that's because his controversy was beneficial to those media outlets. A second impeachment will do literally nothing to this end.
Somewhat off topic but can you guys give me some recommends of people to follow on Twitter for news and such?
If you don't want your lord and savior to be impeached, you should have encouraged him not to do shit that was impeachment worthy and enabled him to do so. Live with the consequences ya fuck.
(1) Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) / Twitter
(1) Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) / Twitter
(1) Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) / Twitter
(1) Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) / Twitter
(1) Marissa D. Barrera (@mdb2) / Twitter
Daniel Dale (@ddale8) / Twitter
(1) Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) / Twitter
(1) Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) / Twitter
(1) Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) / Twitter
(1) Emma Vigeland (@EmmaVigeland) / Twitter
(1) Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) / Twitter
(1) Marissa D. Barrera (@mdb2) / Twitter
Daniel Dale (@ddale8) / Twitter
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