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You need 2/3rds to do so. I don't know, seems like a pipe dream still.
Yep. And I highly doubt we'll get ~16 senators on the R side to support it.
And then we use that excuse for ads etc next election those Senators are up for to point out that they not only allowed trump the ability to run again in future after he attempted a coup, but they allowed him to keep being paid for life by tax payers after he tried a coup against the voters wills. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work on his crazies, as has been shown, if you get enough sane people out they can still lose as seen by senate races this year where democrats won seats they rarely do.
2/3's present technically. So number goes down if people are absent for reasons
That's why I put the ~
I'm tired :P
So unless there's some sort of planned "I'll be absent so I can't vote" amongst a lot of republicans, it's just not likely
No. That requires a conviction first. And it's not even legally clear if it's even possible to prevent someone from running if they're not currently in office. Guess we'll find out.
I wonder if some GOP are thinking of having an undisclosed "family emergency" to sit out the vote, hoping Trump is convicted without their participation.
Dems don't have 2/3, only a 1 vote majority with Kamala. So no, they won't convict, unless Repubs suddenly work for country over party.
Doesn't matter. We know they won't convict, but the goal is to set a precedent. You can't let your leader incite armed insurrection against the government and not try to do *something*. It also has the effect of tying those Republicans to their decision - not that history matters too much right now, but I'd rather be on the right side of it myself.
17? Wait... Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet... it all makes sense now. This was the plan all along!
Yes. Right now, according to public statements, it looks like maybe 4 Republican Senators might vote yes. Romney, Murkowski, Toomey, and maybe Sasse.
But, everything is crazy now. It was inevitable that the GOP would dump Trump after his loss, the only question was when. I would guess that very few Senators want to do so quite as publicly as an impeachment/conviction vote, but we won't know unless it happens.
Lindsey Graham told Trump they have enough to convict in Senate. It's more about Mitch bringing it to floor.
If they can delay until after the dems take the senate, Mitch won't have a choice, right?
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I don't believe the chairwoman ever introduced this to the floor of the house though, when I was watching it, unless I missed something. or maybe it was tied to the 25th amendment thing
Depends whether they think dropping him like a hot potato is better for their future or not.
I still doubt the Senate convicts him...but you never know. His brand is poison now, and now that some of the moderates are publicly saying they'd convict or at least want him to resign, could be enough of a cascade to get enough Republicans...I'd give it a 1 in 4 chance of happening.
What's the easier lift: getting 16 Republicans to vote to convict, or getting 24-25 Republicans to not vote at all (so you only need the 50 Democratic votes, maybe 1-2 more with Romney and Murkowsky)?
I've heard he can't be the lawyer as he will be a witness due to his trial by combat comment.
Kind of the opposite of a pocket veto. If Republican senators are concerned about raging constituents, I do think this would be effective in tamping that rage down. Not muting it, but maybe avoiding more gallows from being erected after actively voting to impeach.
Yeah, at this point it would be about DQing him for running in 2024. Honestly, in purely political terms it benefits some of the higher profile Republicans to convict him since he'll likely dominate any primary in 2024.
Where was this reported? Did a google search and didn't see anything about that.
Yeah, that is what giving me some hope that there may be a shot of conviction in the Senate. It makes political sense for anyone wanting to run in 2024 for the GOP to have Trump off the ticket.
More likely Mitch will delay until the Dems take the Senate so he can wag his finger at Dems for prioritizing "revenge" against Trump instead of COVID relief.
Man I can't find it. There was a story on Twitter from rawstory I think.
If Mitch would like Trump to be impeached, I could see them doing a combination of GOP senators being absent to bring the threshold down just enough that dems plus a few GOP senators actively voting for impeachment manages to get it to squeak through.
It seems like news is getting worse and worse for Trump now, so pressure might actually grow in the short to medium term, rather than shrink, as it becomes more apparent Trump was making a legitimate coup attempt. The rabid far right groups he whipped up trying to cause havoc while thrashing around under the pushback that's been going on isn't helping him either.
It seems like news is getting worse and worse for Trump now, so pressure might actually grow in the short to medium term, rather than shrink, as it becomes more apparent Trump was making a legitimate coup attempt. The rabid far right groups he whipped up trying to cause havoc while thrashing around under the pushback that's been going on isn't helping him either.
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I have 0 hope for conviction. I absolutely do not trust the current crop of GOP senators to do so outside of Mitt Romney; maybe Murkowski or Collins. There will need to be widespread consensus among their ranks if they want to do it, and I don't see that at the moment considering 7 of them still objected to electoral college certification.
I will say, reading the article just introduced, it's short and impactful. He absolutely SHOULD be removed.
I will say, reading the article just introduced, it's short and impactful. He absolutely SHOULD be removed.
I saw on MSNBC that 17 aren't needed. Any number of republicans can stay home that day and avoid having to vote. Which means Trump can be impeached without them having to vote.
I will believe this when I see the votes actually tallied, and not a moment before.
The more likely alternative is that a lot of repubs don't show up to the senate that day, and the # needed to impeach goes way down.
Good chance Trump hangs himself in 10 minutes considering it took heavy edits to make his prerecorded message a thinly veiled threat. Letting him on live tv will not end well
My hope is that if the vote actually gets pushed down the line..
1)The deplatforming makes his base less vocal and seem more fringe
2)Criminal proceedings start raining down making him look weak
3)The GOP see's an out and a future where it doesn't have to involve Trump and figure it's not worth dying on the hill.
Normally Id say its unlikely, but three months last three years now in this political climate.
They've already angered their base, for what it's worth. Of course this doesn't mean they're gonna impeach him though.
They elected a Q believer and 60% of Republicans say that Trump did nothing wrong.
The dems having the majority at least lets them introduce evidence and witnesses. That is extra pressure for Rs that didn't exist last time.
Yet for senate rebulicans this presents the perfect option for stopping him running in the future. Besides he lost them the house and senate as well as the Presidency. They know he is now utterly toxic to them after the past few weeks.
Yeah, you're gonna have to provide receipts for such a claim.
Unfortunately that's been debunked. Even impeached, he can run again.
Fact check: No, impeachment itself would not ban Trump from a 2024 run
A viral tweet claims that impeaching President Donald Trump for a second time would mean he would lose the ability to run for president in 2024.
I expect a lot of shit to be unearthed in the first 100 days... maybe the Senate will end up convicting him and disqualifying him from running again.