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House Dems will vote on a resolution in response to Ilhan Omar’s Israel comments
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What I want is for people to be able to tell that the core issue is *why* the dems leadership is doing the 'predictable thing' in the first place, instead of making the conversation focusing on 'well, she shouldn't have done this or that in the first place then if she knows what's coming for her!'
I mean by the same token, the people who are upset with her framing would have been upset with any framing. The question is are the dems going to continue to walk the Israeli line unquestioningly or not. Everything else is semantics
We can do both. Why are you so concerned about not looking back at how we got here? It's not like Omar's a bystander here.
Do you want to Omar to get kicked out of congress or censured? Because I don't.
It's the fact that we are now talking about the possibility of her being kicked out of the congress or censured for speaking the way she did is what's really wrong to me.
*It shouldnt be that way*
The dems are adding fuel to the fire by giving bad faith actors the time of day. How is that not the most important issue?
I'm not disagreeing, but putting your head in the sand isn't going to help her. It's going to guarantee that fate. Do you want that?
Because it's not that simple and what should Omar do so we're not here again?
It's not clear to me if people like Kirblar think her comments were actually anti-semitic, or if he thinks that it's okay to give bad faith actors the moral high-ground here because they've successfully twisted her statements to be seen as antisemitic.
The focus should not be about 'what Omar should do' but 'what the rest of Democrats, especially the leadership, should do'. To be frank, by making the convo focusing so intensely about what she should or should not do really stinks of victim blaming.
She can force the democrats to stop eating their own over the concern of bad faith actors by not delivering her support despite being sold out.
It's actually a lot simpler then you give it credit for, a disciplined and forward thinking leadership could turn their shit around on them, admit no ground and call republicans the real anti-semites and traitors to the nation. Trying to couch it in actual sensitivity to problematic language is pointless because these nuanced distinctions ultimately go nowhere.
I think it's less intentional victim blaming (though that doesn't make it not victim blaming), but it's more borne from some horrific notion that the party just is this way as a result of the omnipotent Political Reality and hey man sometimes you gotta not stand up and do the right thing, because that's just how it is. Sometimes you just gotta shut up and not unequivocally say the right thing because Politics. And calling for this to be changed is either unrealistic or dangerously opportunistic to Red Team or whatever combination of those two you need to hear to be convinced that it's not possible.
Im ashamed to say it, but I'm actually feeling this way a bit myself. I'm starting feel cynical like politics is permanently fucked and I just want to watch it all burn.
Of course I'm still going to do what I can. But boy does today make me feel less enthusiastic than I ever have been. Just gutless cowards. The status quo is such horse shit.
I cant tell what your point is... the entire point of people being pissed at Democrats for this is because its literally up to them to decide what to do and they are choosing a path that eats their own for making an accurate and non-inflammatory statement. Its straight bullshit and there is no need to defend them or talk about how Omar shouldn't have said it. Rubbish.
There is literally no both sides to this, you should just stop imo.
How?
Are you saying you agree with me or
If you have some plan Omar can do that gets around, please, share with us.
As the issue is about Omar's tweets it's difficult not to. You have the mistaken impression she didn't do anything they reacted to, regardless of what it was she did.
I'm not victim blaming, it's being concerned about her political career and wanting not to go through this again and it seems so do you. Yet your actions imply you're fine with this path she's on. Which is troubling.
There is no "right way" to be critical of the Israeli government. Suppression of all speech critical of the state of Israel is entirely the point. Is it literally not AIPAC's (and, I guess, other right wing, pro Israel lobbying groups) agenda to pass laws to forbid people from expressing their first amendment right to speech? Criminalize, even?
AIPAC: Oppose Boycotts of Israel, Protect U.S. Companies
https://www.aipac.org/learn/legisla...endaid={B499D12C-C5ED-4CA6-93CF-61266D842328}
ACLU: Congress Is Trying to Use the Spending Bill to Criminalize Boycotts of Israel
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-spee...spending-bill-criminalize-boycotts-israel-and
Miami New Times: Bill Would Label Criticism of Israel in Florida Schools "Anti-Semitic"
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...own-on-anti-israel-speech-in-schools-11055963
AIPAC: Oppose Boycotts of Israel, Protect U.S. Companies
https://www.aipac.org/learn/legisla...endaid={B499D12C-C5ED-4CA6-93CF-61266D842328}
ACLU: Congress Is Trying to Use the Spending Bill to Criminalize Boycotts of Israel
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-spee...spending-bill-criminalize-boycotts-israel-and
Miami New Times: Bill Would Label Criticism of Israel in Florida Schools "Anti-Semitic"
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...own-on-anti-israel-speech-in-schools-11055963
No, I'm saying I understand your position and I think that's is both morally bankrupt and politically ineffective
That's literally how they want you to feel when they do stuff like this.
Chin up, fight back and break it all down.
Omar isn't the one that needs to change on this issue.
Basically this. It's not as much as an example of Democratic Pragmatism as people think when they're going after a freshman legislator who's well-liked and rode into office on a constituency kilometers to the left of the party at large. And on an issue not even that important nearly anyone except AIPAC/lobbyist groups.
But then again, the party legislating for moneyed interests first and regular people second is nothing new for them.
Great, you want her career to be destroyed.
Seems to be working fine for Tlaib and AOC.
I have yet to hear how she's supposed to do this by herself.
I don't know. I think both of them lost some shine from not taking an unequivocal stance right away. But in any event they were going to be supported by the activist base and despised by republicans either way. It's clearly bigger then that though. The dems have to learn to stop giving bad faith actors the time of day.
edit: Also Tlaib didn't both sides in the first place which kind of undermines your argument.
https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1102360672795574272
this should be the party response
Oh no, how dare she say such nasty words about daddy Israel! I hope she's harshly disciplined for such a vitriolic display against our great allies in Israel!
They are a great country that are definitely not committing war crimes, and even if they were who cares about the Palestinians anyway? What have they ever done for AMERICA?
They are a great country that are definitely not committing war crimes, and even if they were who cares about the Palestinians anyway? What have they ever done for AMERICA?
i cannot emphasize this enough
turn those feelings of disheartenment into rage
Great, you want her career to be destroyed.[/QUOTE]
You didn't put much effort into this.
This is what Bernie did and it pisses off traditional Democrats so much lol.
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Israel is cancer, huh? Your post tells you all you need to know about ResetEra.
What a disgrace that such a "progressive" forum allows hate speech. I hope others in the gaming community are reading this thread and taking notice.
ResetEra is cancer.
Everyone if Ilhan Omar didn't want this to happen to her she shouldn't have been wearing something as provocative as that dress---I mean not said anything.
lmfao
imagine conflating disdain for an apartheid state full of war criminals with hate speech
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
maybe you should read up on a bit world events before venturing out of the shallows of gaming side
Hating a government of a country is hate speech? Why do some of you act like fucking idiots as if you dont know who the statement is aimed at?
Dont participate in the forum if it is cancer to you then.
This. I don't even live there anymore but if I did this whole shit would've been my breaking point. God I can't even imagine what it feels like to be a black muslim in America and see how little my opinions matter.
Boy you hit all those talking points didn't you?
Alright enough games who's alt is this? Come on don't be shy, I'm not mad just disappointed.
Dont assume Era is a monolith and dont forget, many on Era would defend the Democratic party for its bullshit as hard as they can.
It wont surprise you then.
61 posts, you are right that it may be an alt, I have to remember to check that before responding.
Israel really is. Maybe you should read up on the atrocities they commited in the past several decades.
You're free to go away from here if you think this forum is cancer. No one is stopping you. Just go and begone, then.
This has been known for people around the world for a good 40 years. It is just that the American people are only now realizing the obvious truths: The US, despite having democratic mechanisms, is not, and never was a democracy; Most politicans are traitors...
US politicians bending over backwards to give Israel a thorough ball washing is super weird.
what documentary are you talking about?
I've spent enough time in the Women criticizing sexual character design thread to know that if you see someone make such an obvious disingenuous post it's all but guarantee that they're just a troll.
This is one thing that will make me decide who I'll vote in the dem primary for presidential candidate tbh.
Most dems are trash on this topic, as evidenced by this motion.
This is one thing that Bernie was really good on tbh...
But at the same time I don't wanna vote for Bernie cause he is divisive and I want a dem victory over Drumph...but I really am tired of this democratic support on this.
There is a video out there that has the democratic caucus being against support for Jerusalem as Israel capital...and everyone booed. Yet they still passed it. People are tired of this shit.
https://youtu.be/zoPrBnrWvrE
Watching this gives me some satisfaction
Regardless. DEMS U R WEAK AF
Most dems are trash on this topic, as evidenced by this motion.
This is one thing that Bernie was really good on tbh...
But at the same time I don't wanna vote for Bernie cause he is divisive and I want a dem victory over Drumph...but I really am tired of this democratic support on this.
There is a video out there that has the democratic caucus being against support for Jerusalem as Israel capital...and everyone booed. Yet they still passed it. People are tired of this shit.
https://youtu.be/zoPrBnrWvrE
Watching this gives me some satisfaction
Regardless. DEMS U R WEAK AF
Judging by the reactions in this thread, as well as comments elsewhere, it would seem like the era of 'unquestioned support for Israel by the public' is at an end. Where we go from here remains to be seen, but Democrats will eventually have to realise their position on this issue is increasingly unpopular and actions like this damage their relationship with their base.
Because American Exceptionalism! It's ok as long as we or our allies does it. Not for anyone else, commie.
I'm going to be pissed if people like Sanders and Warren don't have anything to say in her defense.
The despicable poster of her was nothing short of a racial hate crime that could easily end in violence against her in today's climate. And now we have not only the trash GOP, but some of her own party betraying her and my country.
This all should be completely condemned.
The despicable poster of her was nothing short of a racial hate crime that could easily end in violence against her in today's climate. And now we have not only the trash GOP, but some of her own party betraying her and my country.
This all should be completely condemned.
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Israel is a fascist state and it is cancer ever since it's inception. If you don't like that people nowadays won't accept Israeli propaganda easily, then go away. No one will miss you.
What Senators can do in this case is limited to words because only the House votes on this. I believe Sanders has given her support though.
I don't agree with everything Omar says, but I think what she's saying is a valid criticism and is not anti-Semitism.
So far this attitude is just millenials/the progressive base (AKA the folks who post here) . It's when the squishy moderates start changing that we'll see a real change, but that's coming eventually (might take a decade or so).
Thats good but they need to get a lot louder because all of this is a disgrace.
Not even just the count. Post prior was in December, and before that, June.
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