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Hot Take: the Original Xbox was a spiritual successor to the Dreamcast prove me wrong.
- Thread starter Spinluck
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There were discussions about having XBOX be compatible with the Dreamcast, as well as Dreamcast 2 that was in development before SEGA quit hardware.
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I felt kind of good for connecting the dots before making this thread lmao.
Nonetheless this is pretty cool.
Not a hot take and I thought it was well known. And while not the only reason but it was definitely a factor in why some people myself included preferred the OG X-Box that generation.
Kind of a shame where the brand has gone in my opinon, have not even thought of buying a one.
Kind of a shame where the brand has gone in my opinon, have not even thought of buying a one.
The dreamcast could run directX , the first console ever to support directx and the only non-microsoft hardware to support it ever.
Dude, the Xbox controller is basically a black Dreamcast controller. Of course it is a spiritual successor, it's not a hot take at all.
VF4Evo is the GOAT, however nobody have a fuck about VF3tb on Dreamcast, and so a spiritual successor wouldn't require it. Having Dead or Alive 3 and Ultimate is actually more important for this.
Also, this:
note: the original article was long before 2006, had to have been from 2000.
Seriously. This is the most tepid of takes. Panzer, Jet Set, 2K (which was a powerhouse back then) at/near launch. MS and Sega had a fling and tried to make it work. Xbox sold like 87 units over there and kinda changed the relationship.
hahaha. I have made amends. Owned a PS3, PS4 and am subscribed to PSPlus and PSNow. I just really loved the Dreamcast! I remember importing a Japanese one just to play House of the Dead and that awesome fishing game with that amazing fishing controller! Nostalgia makes me want to pick one up.
Powerstone was life! Remember begging my folks to take me to the import shop in NY just to play. I got a VMU before I actually got the console lol!
PETER. *breathes* f'n MOORE.
''Moore disclosed that at a security checkpoint at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, a TSA security agent said "I don't need to see your passport. You're the asshole that gave away Shenmue to Xbox."'
It launched with sequels to popular Dreamcast games.
Then more brand new entries in beloved Sega franchises which had Dreamcast games like Jet Set Radio, House of the Dead and Crazy Taxi.
Sega definitely supported the PS2 and Gamecube with games but the Xbox clearly was getting the biggest name sequels outside of Virtua Fighter.
Then more brand new entries in beloved Sega franchises which had Dreamcast games like Jet Set Radio, House of the Dead and Crazy Taxi.
Sega definitely supported the PS2 and Gamecube with games but the Xbox clearly was getting the biggest name sequels outside of Virtua Fighter.
I don't feel like this is a hot take, I feel like that's been what everyone's kinda said since the OG Xbox released. All of my Sega mad friends got very into the Xbox. It had Shenmue and Panzer Dragoon and Crazy Taxi and Sega, generally, supported it massively. It also had Internet play. Was well Dreamcast 2.0.
Fuck! That would've been great if possible; maybe would've even opened the door for future Dreamcast BC on current Xbox consoles.
Wasn't only Sega's direct output either. Itagaki went from supporting Sega with Dead or Alive to supporting Xbox. Then you also had Bizarre Creations transitioning MSR over to PGR.
Hard disagree.
Two multi platform games not synonymous with Sega aren't more important then Virtua Fighter on a Sega console.
This isn't a hot take though?
Look at all the SEGA games that went to it after the Dreamcast died.
Look at all the SEGA games that went to it after the Dreamcast died.
More people should let the OP know that it isn't a hot take. I don't think that point has come across yet.
Common take imo - and a big part of why I got the original Xbox back in the day (namely for JSRF and Panzer Dragoon Orta)
If we were talking about a spiritual successor to the Saturn, then not having Virtua Fighter (or Sega Rally) would disqualify you immediately, because those game define the system to a great extent. For the Dreamcast however Virtua Fighter 3tb was rendered obsolete by Soul Calibur before the US release was upon us. The DC isn't remotely defined by Virtua Fighter (or the poor port of Sega Rally 2).
Dead or Alive 2 on the other hand was a huge deal on Dreamcast. Dead or Alive 3 and Dead or Alive Ultimate were also not multiplatform. They were Xbox exclusives.
Third party games absolutely can be more important to a console's legacy than first party output. Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider and Final Fantasy VII are more important to the PS1 legacy than the cast majority of Sony's own output, and if a following console then had sequels to each of them, they would absolutely be more of a spiritual successor than another that just had Twisted Metal instead.
Even a Power Stone followup would mean more to a platforms Dreamcast-like qualities than Virtua Fighter would. Virtua Fighter is a Saturn defining IP that just happens to have a Dreamcast entry, much like how Shinobi X isn't meaningful to Saturn the way Revenge of Shinobi is the Genesis/Mega Drive.
We're not discussing games synonymous with Sega. We're discussing games synonymous with Dreamcast, and in that conversation Virtua Fighter doesn't rank very highly at all.
It's not a hot take, it's pretty much true. Xbox got most of what would have released on Dreamcast; Gamecube got updated ports and most of the rest of the games in development; PS2 got the left over odds and ends (Ferrarri F355, King of Route 66, Sega Bass Fishing Duel, Space Channel 5 Part 2, Rez).
Not to say PS2 got bad Sega support, but most of it (iirc) was post-dreamcast development stuff (VF4, Shinobi/Nightshade, Sakura Wars)
Not to say PS2 got bad Sega support, but most of it (iirc) was post-dreamcast development stuff (VF4, Shinobi/Nightshade, Sakura Wars)
considering how quickly they dropped sega's excellent (but poorly received, sadly) lineup, i always kinda hate seeing this. the titles that went to GC & PS2 thankfully did better.
yeah, they aped the things sega did first (online, etc) the way sony & nintendo did. they kept western devs (shooters & RPGs especially) going.
their studios had literally none of the magic of sega's internal ones, putting out arguably their finest works in the years before. architecturally/design wise i can see the argument, the library has tragically little in common (and i say that really digging the OG xbox library)
not all heroes wear capes
yeah, they aped the things sega did first (online, etc) the way sony & nintendo did. they kept western devs (shooters & RPGs especially) going.
their studios had literally none of the magic of sega's internal ones, putting out arguably their finest works in the years before. architecturally/design wise i can see the argument, the library has tragically little in common (and i say that really digging the OG xbox library)
not all heroes wear capes
Nope the two systems share no DNA.
Dreamcast was very much about bringing the arcade home, and most of it's games are arcade experiences
Soul Calibur, the majority of Capcom's stuff, Crazy Taxi etc
Xbox on the other hand was more about bringing PC gaming to the living room
Games like Halo, Morrowind, Doom 3, Star Wars KOTOR
PC gaming and Arcade gaming are drastically different, so the two systems did not deliver even close to the same experiences. The only thing that would qualify Xbox as a Dreamcast successor is the fact Sega released a handful of exclusives for it.
But Xbox was not Dreamcast, Xbox was not a Sega console, did not feel like a Sega console and was not created by a company with deep seated roots in the arcade. People were just dissapointed that Sega exited the hardware game and disaffected Sega fans adopted Xbox as a surogate
