HFW is sounding pretty great in this regard, though. So happy about that.
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I get that but at this point it's beating a dead horse into a bloody pulp then beating that bloody pulp into a crater in the ground.
89 eh. A lot of people were thinking it'll definitely be 90+ based on it improving on everything from HZD. Although industry standards did change from 2017 and I understand the "same-y" vibes coming from the game some reviewers have mentioned. Looking forward to playing it but I imagine it'll be overshadowed by Elden Ring.
Are there any clips showing the improved dialogue system? Curious to see how they changed the interactions with the dialogue wheel.
Are there any clips showing the improved dialogue system? Curious to see how they changed the interactions with the dialogue wheel.
I think both games are mediocre but what is so good about exploration in BOTW?
Most of the loot are just bad and even if you manage to get something good they degrade and become useless. Enemy encounters are so repetitive as well.
they're right. there's something different about a game that just throws you into a world where the entire map (in the beginning) is a tutorial with no cutscenes. the little handholding that botw does alongside the sandbox and the puzzles all around the map lead it to deserve that title. you can still like other open world games and agree with this.
like I said above, the game just throws you into a world with little to no knowledge on how to do anything. everything you learn is really you exploring it yourself. a lot of open world games hold your hands for like 10 hours before letting you go which doesn't deliver the same kind of feeling.
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Horizon is already a 3rd person action adventure open world game... it's in the exact same direction as BOTW to begin with, it just does things worse.
I agree with this. RDR2 is the most "lived in" feeling open world game I've ever played. The number of unique and interesting things you can randomly encounter and do was what allowed me to sink so many hours into it. I agree that other open world games provide better terrain traversal, but I think the map itself in RDR2 is the best we've ever had it.
I think it probably depends on what is meant by exploration. BOTW is objectively better than other open world games of exploration of physics/mechanics and what you can do to interact with the open world. Other open world games have better exploration in terms of random encounters and NPC interactions. It probably is subjective in terms of who does exploration best in terms of secrets/collectibles - depends on what you value.
In what way? Maybe sense of exploration but certainly not combat among other things. BOTW is not the best at every category in open world games. Tbh Elden Ring is going to take the exploration title very soon and that game also has dungeons.
Story is mostly nay but have some awesome moments/set pieces that make worth it
Right. Cool.
I mean, it does most things better except you can't scale impossible walls, but you do you.
Oh, is there an improved dialogue system? I hadn't heard that. I just knew that the character animations were massively improved during dialogue.
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Wait, mostly nay? I glanced through tons of the reviews and far more liked the story than didn't.
Agree. Other open world games have better random encounters, combat, side quests/story, NPCs/town interactions. BOTW is ahead by a country mile in terms of physics system and how you can interact with the elements of the world itself, with most everything being more tangible and interactive.
Morrowind is one of the best games ever made, and one of my top 5 of all time. I agree that I personally prefer Morrowind to BOTW but I'm not sure how much of my nostalgia is coloring that opinion. To its credit I went back and played it again not long ago and still really enjoyed it.
this. i really enjoyed botw, but i enjoy it more as a greater than the sum of it's parts experience that lead to it being an incredibly fun game for freedom of problem solving than having particularly engaging mechanics in a vacuum. eg simply holding forward to scale a cliffside while watching a stamina bar deplete then smashing a stamina+ item to be able to reach any vantage point is not really my idea of great exploration.
Interesting. The story was one of the best things about the first game like RisingStar said. No matter, It's already preloaded, ready to melt my face.
I think doing things "worse" is a subjective take. I for one don't care for the exploration aspects of BOTW (in particular climbing and falling off 2 feet from the top). I personally don't care about climbing everything or being able to go everywhere as soon as the game start. To me, those things in and of themselves are not enough to make a game great. If a game doesn't want me to climb something I honestly don't care. If they want to gate me out of a section of the map until a certain part of a story happens and it opens up, no problem. I don't think those things are bad.
And what's interesting to me is that I love the Soulsborne games in part because of the exploration. But their exploration isn't about climbing anything or going everywhere from the starts, it's about unique and visually striking environments with lots of secrets and items to find. Which probably also wouldn't matter to me as much of the combat and leveling wasn't so fun. Idk exactly where I'm going with the last part here, but maybe the point is exploration doesn't have to be climbing everywhere to be great and that games need great things outside of just exploration.
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I assumed it was improved since people were comparing the "face-to-face" interactions of HZD to the clips of mo-cap conversations we've seen from HFW. But weren't the latter just cutscenes? I didn't see how they implemented the dialogue wheel in the mo-cap scenes then.
Kinda Funny or IGN mentioned something about this at one point. They mentioned an example where Aloy was sitting down. This person chose a certain option on the dialogue wheel, and then Aloy stood up, walked around doing this dialogue option and then sat down again, and said it felt extremely organic how it happened.
Yep, same ol in every thread. I can't even imagine the OT with the usual suspects bringing the same tired posts.
The exploration and freedom just feels so much higher than any other game out there. The game is just constantly encouraging the player to investigate or adventure.
But in an open world game those things are bad, or at least restricting in ways that make the experience less enjoyable. Reviewers already say they wish Aloy's hook could be used anywhere but it can't, it's only allowed on specific places.
Can we ban BoTW from Horizon discussions? it is toxic and rarely boils down to anything actually substantive.
From what I see the story in Forbidden West takes a backseat to exploration, and some might not like that
I'm surprised how few large media (even tech-oriented ones) have mentioned the input lag in 30FPS mode. And more precisely how low it is. As a dev making 3D games for almost a decade I want to know what kind of magic are GG programmers doing to have this input lag at 30FPS.
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I love 60FPS but the IQ hit is too much for me on a 65-inch quality TV with great HDR. 30FPS with this low input lag and in 4K was an amazing experience. Here are a few screenshots from me -> https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...amera-sutra-2022.534059/page-19#post-82108423
I honestly don't know where you're seeing that, dude, besides maybe one or two reviews. There is tons of praise for the story and tons of praise for the exploration,. I have seen little to nothing stating the story took a backseat to exploration, but rather that both are excellent.
Yeah. In that camp. It's a cool game but my goodness. Not every open world game needs to be compared to it. Diversity in games is a good thing!
I don't know dude. Some people are making some real compelling arguments about how the ability to Spider-Man up a wall is the only thing that can make a game good.
The elder ring comparisons are reserved for the horizon 3 review thread, when it launches a week before gta 6
That's not how you spell Hollow Knight!! Though Automata is an extremely close second
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I don't get it either. People praise BOTW exploration so much, but all I remember is huge open fields with groups of enemies every now and then. The best parts of that game for me were the dungeons. I don't ever remember thinking "Wow. I love running around this world". It was always, what's the fastest way I can get from A to B? The world built in HFW looks so much more alive and exciting to traverse through.
They're different games with different goals. BOTW is better when you're all in on the exploration part of the game. The combat or the story are terrible.
And then you have Horizon. Where it's all about the combat and the story.
So they aren't the same games just because they share an open-world and both are using a third-person view. Totally different games with different goals.
BOTW doesnt have real dungeons though , just 4 beasts and a lot of copy/paste shrines.
Look, I love Nier:A and all but that Open World element of that game is really weak lol.
No, you're right. Going anywhere isn't interesting if every direction has much of the same thing. That's why despite BOTW having some great movement options, I just wanted the game to end after it set in how the majority of what i'll find is the same. Compared to older Zelda games where the dungeons were always uniquely themed with enemies, minibosses, bosses, visuals, narrative etc. and going into BOTW where they're all built from yellow stone and have no unique enemies and share a narrative goal. Overworld ended up being full of the same enemies and collectibles.
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The ones a read at least said the story is underwhelming…but i read more now and some people say is great. Well, the first one the story was the highlight to me