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Hong Kong justice secretary Teresa Cheng injured in London while surrounded by protesters.
- Thread starter Yukari
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Worth remembering that the ire of the protestors is just as much directed towards the Hong Kong establishment as it is the mainland, which something a lot of people overlook.
Also worth noting that the tweet you linked to is by the editor in chief of the Global Times, which is a media arm of the CCP. The death itself may be fact, but his spin on it is propaganda.
Also worth noting that the tweet you linked to is by the editor in chief of the Global Times, which is a media arm of the CCP. The death itself may be fact, but his spin on it is propaganda.
To be fair, the BBC link directly contradicts the last claim in that tweet. 'The first direct death' part is questionable as well, as if the young protestors who have died do not count.
I don't post often but this make me furious that you just post this twitter when ignoring all those polices doing horrible things in Hong kong ? What about the poor 15 years old boy that was hit by a tear gas canister by the police and will be possibly paralysed all his life ? What about that girl that got gang rapped by the police ? what about the 21 that got shot by the police and all those mysterious death ? you cannot ignore every action the police do that are dangerous. Most prostests are peaceful they always get out of hand when the police show off and start being crazy.
The BBC also reported how one of the protesters is thought to have killed a 70 year old man by throwing a brick at his head.
Things are continuously getting more difficult in Hong Kong and it just gave the Chinese president ammunition.
Things are continuously getting more difficult in Hong Kong and it just gave the Chinese president ammunition.
You don't need ammunition to squash people into a bloody paste with tanks
He wants to come across as a good guy. He said something like the two system policy is being tested right now so I imagine if he tries to end it prematurely or just do anything he will use incidents like these listed in this topic to try and justify his actions.
Whoosh. Don't you understand that the framing is propaganda??
1) if a protestor killed someone. Have that protestor arrested. It means nothing in regards to the merits of the protest or the majority of peaceful protestors. It's the same lack of logic used in racism. Blaming a group for the actions of an individual. It's just dumb propaganda.
2) the west reported it. What do you want the news to say? To suddenly side with authoritarian fascistic anti protester actions? The accusation that the west didn't report it when in the big scheme of things it's still pretty minor is just part of the propaganda conspiracy that the protests are being planted by the west. It's propaganda. If you don't see it... Think about why.
When right wing US . Media uses the same lack of logic to smear black lives matter protesters it's still propaganda. It has nothing to do with what country it comes from. Propaganda is clear as day if you are able to think critically. Clearly, not everyone is.
It's not hard to argue that BBC news is framing the news from the Chinese authorities perspective.
The word 'Appalling' is in quotations, but that headline does foreground the Chinese government's response over anything else. The protestors are always at a disadvantage in this sense and that is probably why the HK government has seen fit to escalate the situation at every turn, to provoke the protestors and to take away their moral high without looking into why ordinary people would risk so much in these protests.
Fuck Teresa Cheng.
People should punch her wherever she shows her face.
It has been reported by every credible media source.
People should punch her wherever she shows her face.
SCMP politics sucks, but it's probably your best news source in Hong Kong.
It's not propaganda, it's not directly related to this story, but there is no reason to believe this is a manufactured or made up story.
It has been reported by every credible media source.
Propaganda is not just about making facts up.
The framing is clear propaganda.
I'm not an expert on guns, but I'm fairly sure that they do require ammunition.
This. And this shit should not be tolerated here. Be better.
Yes. And what the fuck does it have to do with a politician falling and hurting herself during a protest in London?
Somehow, the pro hong kong protesters are intrinsically violent no matter what country they're in or who it is or the circumstances???
Gtfo with that propaganda bullshit.
Maybe we don't need to post twitter accounts that just sprout propaganda when there have been other sources?
It is unfortunate that he died and the violence escalation is worrying but this is totally on the HK police and the government failure to control them.
Make a thread about increasing violence then and then provide your hypothesis for the cause and connection between increasing violence in hong kong and a protest in london where someone fell.
Where the fuck did I justify violence anywhere???
In case anyone was wondering about what makes this pro-CCP propaganda, it's that the protesters contend that a number of deaths are attributable to the conduct of the police, so saying that this is the first death to come out of the protests (note also the use of the term "riot" in the tweet) is only true if you believe that the police have adequately policed their own conduct by saying that they aren't responsible for any of the suspicious deaths of protesters that have occurred in the last few months.
Even if you "both sides" this - you shouldn't, since one party is the CCP and the other is most of the population of Hong Kong, who have no dog in this fight except for preserving the limited freedoms that they've enjoyed since the handover - you'd still be forced to conclude that there are no truly uncontested facts here, so to present this as an uncontested fact is not objective.
The protesters have the better evidence anyway, and in a lot of the cases the only counterpoint against the accusations of protester deaths being caused by police is the police's own word. We shouldn't trust a totalitarian arm of a totalitarian government to tell us the truth, especially when doing so is contrary to their interests.
There was always a problematic nativist element to these protests, I never got the sense that it was particularly big, and it most certainly didn't manage to put their agenda in the five demands. Ironically, both the US and Beijing are signal boosting those people, Ameirca because they use the harshest words against Beijing, and Beijing because that's where most of the racists are.
In the last couple of weeks things seem to be escalating, and I hope it's not because those people are getting to call more of the shots, because I think that's the last thing those protests need.
The violence is not unprovoked. The violence has come about as a result of the (much more systemic and significant) violence against protesters. This is exacerbated by the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing tactics employed by the police (see: Yuen Long) that encourages protesters to be paranoid and mistrusting.
I'm not claiming that everything that the protesters do is defensible, but you're creating a false equivalency by divorcing these videos of bad actors on the protester side of their context. There's also something to be said about how "we are all Chinese" is a sentence that's not nearly as politically neutral as it sounds, since it a) implies the protesters are racist, b) implies that the protesters need to be told this, c) implies that everyone being Chinese means we can't be critical of the erosion of freedoms, and d) implies that remonstrating the government for their conduct has anything at all to do with ethnicity.
How can you read an article if you can't even read a nickname :P
And why isn't surprising? It seems you know a lot about me :O
What about you post me some sources on that? I cannot find anything about any of those things.
Try to take a gun from a police officer in the US, it's a bold strategy cotton, see if it pays off.
1) there are so many peaceful protestors throwing bricks in these videos. So many bricks that could have ended on the heads of civilians.
2)I was just informing about it since no one here opened a thread about it or at least I couldn't find it, I was just informing of it, because it's almost like people don't want to see that some "peaceful protestors" are killing innocent people.
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I can believe that a 70-year-old was killed by a brick in protests, but blaming that on the protestors is without question "cop worried for his safety as criminal tries to break the cop's fist with his own head" spin
I'm dropping out at about 9:00 in. This is pointless nonsense. There is no evidence or point. I'm not sure what he even means by US backing them or why that's a bad thing. It's just random irrelevant disconnected complaints told in a style that feels like a knock off of Ben Shapiro.
I haven't watched the video (can't watch it now), but you had Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley down in Hong Kong professing their support to these protests, Joshua Wong met with Mike Pence and Marco Rubio (misstep if you ask me, but that's a different story) and the US probably gonna pass a sanction package around them pretty soon.
I don't think it's a secret that the US support these protests, though I'm not 100% sure it cares about the five demands or police brutality all that much.
You dare question America's commitment to ending police brutality??? /s
How dare you?
Marco Rubio cares about police brutality all over the world.
He cares about it in Hong Kong.
He cares about it in Cuba.
He cares about it in Venezuela.
He cares about it in Iran.
He cares about it in Gaza.
He cares about it in Syria.
And if he ever asks Siri "what is the government of Uzbekistan?" I'm sure he'll start to care about it too.
He just haven't gotten around to care about it in the US, but his plate is full!