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Homelander is terrifying and has ruined Superman for me
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I believe the assertion was that the people on the plane were fucked as soon as The Seven got involved.
They were doomed at that point.
He kinda fucked up when lasering the terrorists and destroyed the cockpit's controls after the terrorist shot the pilot. I can only assume he was going to bust in, fuck the bad guys up, and let the pilots take the plane down safely. Anything past that was too much effort and he just wasn't going to try anything else.
Of course now we know he can move fast enough to save both a man and a baby after an explosion has already started right in front of him.
He just didn't want to save those people. He's lazy.
Beyond overdue, but I feel like we're bound to get it sooner or later. The material is too juicy to not be picked up eventually.
In comic books but its something that hasn't really been touched on a lot in live action.
He really...isn't, though. Like he has Superman's POWERSET but he's nothing like Superman the person. I think this is one of the things that always alarms me about how people react to Supes. Superman is just a codename Clark Kent started using, but Clark Kent is the person doing all the heroic things.
But Homelander? Who the fuck is Homelander? He doesn't even know. He's a twisted-up ball of contradictory ideas wrapped up in faux jingoism and marketing. He's a bunch of powers with no soul to guide them.
The one thing about I now hate about Anthony Starr is that he can't be reverse flash. He would make a great Eobard.
But he makes a great great villain.
But he makes a great great villain.
Oh right, I was actually surprised he did that. Didn't think he'd bother with the baby.
My impression from watching the shows available so far is that what was unacceptable to Homelander was people finding out he failed. So rather than making an attempt he just bailed on the situation so it was like he was never there. His public perception is everything to him.
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In order to lift something or change it's direction you need to be able to push against something else.doesn't matter how strong he is if he becomes stationary with nothing to back him he will just be pushing against a plane (with his super strength) while it moves him forward.
If you want to restore your faith in Superman, then either read "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way?" Or watch the animated adaptation "Superman Vs. The Elite". It's an excellent example of how Superman himself would likely respond to someone like Homelander, and frankly it is one of the best Superman stories ever.
poor Batman...Beyond overdue, but I feel like we're bound to get it sooner or later. The material is too juicy to not be picked up eventually.
Yea S2 made it clear he was definitely fast enough to have saved all of them. Too much work though. Homie is lazy.
to put it nicely it is deeply problematic.
it's also bad and doesn't have the same energy the show has. The show is dark, but never feels mean spirited in the way the comic did.
Based on what he said we can assume that he'd either get pushed by the plane, or go through it. the physics of one man sized thing supporting or controlling a crashing plane in flight are a pretty big stretch.
He mentioned that in the scene in that if he used force on the airplane, he would just punch a hole through the hull. He can't disperse the force over a large enough area to not damage the structural integrity of the airplane.
actually he can just add his momentum to the already moving object and alter it's course. no ground necessary.
they really overthought this one during their Superman vs Batman discussions. Seems like they needed the dilemma more than the dilemma existing in reality.
Beyond overdue, but I feel like we're bound to get it sooner or later. The material is too juicy to not be picked up eventually.
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Brightburn is interesting because it's a child version of Superman discovering his powers at middle school age. It's like if Homelander wasn't raised in a lab and some ordinary couple was trying to raise him and he was like 12 or 13 with his full powers. It's a good movie to see at least once.
This is one of the things that I find interesting about Superman. I love "young Superman" stories, where he's out there fighting corrupt politicians and champion of the people stuff, but there's something about an older, more conservative Superman that appeals to me. He's not a cop, he's a fireman. He doesn't solve problems, he solves crises. And that's an important distinction. Because the minute Superman becomes an active force instead of a passive one, the whole world changes.
There's a few books that play up that dynamic with Wonder Woman, because I think the opposite is sort of her ethos - we have an obligation to use our power for active good. Like, in New Frontier, in Priest's Justice League run, that's a point of contention for them. And it's one of the reasons Superman can come off a little limp, because he feels a responsibility to stay on the other side of that line.
(Incidentally, that's where the Superman/Clark Kent dynamic is most important - he DOES feel empowered to fight for change, just as a human being, not as a super-god.)
There's a few books that play up that dynamic with Wonder Woman, because I think the opposite is sort of her ethos - we have an obligation to use our power for active good. Like, in New Frontier, in Priest's Justice League run, that's a point of contention for them. And it's one of the reasons Superman can come off a little limp, because he feels a responsibility to stay on the other side of that line.
(Incidentally, that's where the Superman/Clark Kent dynamic is most important - he DOES feel empowered to fight for change, just as a human being, not as a super-god.)
Well Homelander knows he is evil, these guys believed they were the heroes. Which is worse
Was also gonna bring up The Authority. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And read Doomsday Clock right after, it makes a really good argument for the need of Superman
Well, yeah. That's what happens when you raise a child as a lab rat.
Yeah, that's the impression I got. In the real world no part of that plane has materials strong enough for a human size contact area to deliver enough force to shift the whole plane without shearing. It would just have broken up in mid air if he tried it.
Yup. That's why Homelander is so effective.
Superman was taught compassion, love, family and the inherent worth and dignity of all living creatures. What would happen if he were raised differently?
Hell, what would happen if he weren't raised at all? If he were treated as an experiment, as an object or a method of success for others? If he took commands from a corporation from childhood and onward, his only parental figures being managers and bosses that would leave him. If he never learned the value of life, only the value of a dollar and a successful marketing campaign? The value of wearing a toothy grin in public and working over politicians to get what you want?
Homelander is the most terrifying character in television. I get anxiety every time he's on screen.
This probably the same logic by which I find the Injustice comics and video game storyline so compelling. Watching Superman lose faith in humanity and turn into an angry tyrant is fascinating.
I second this.
Amazon are mining gold from kind of a turd here.
The Boys comic has some good ideas and was interesting but its caked with so much dumb gross out humor and juvenile sex jokes for the hell of it that I just would recommend most people stick with the show.
The show makes good on the concept in a way Garth Ennis was too distracted tapping into his inner 14 year old edgelord to.
The physics subreddit already gave a good answer about Homelander and the airplane.
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Yeah but if his body wants to fly up wouldn't that do.....something.
HL doesn't seem like the type of guy who even attempted to try this before.
I would love to see a conflicted homelander doing a good deed by mistake.
obviously Maeve thought he could do it.
With the plane, Homelander probably couldn't lift it because of the aforementioned issues with breaking the plane. However, whether he could or couldn't do it isn't really the point. He didn't want to do it. He might not even know if he could really do it, he was just saying whatever he needed to get out of the situation without doing anything. He didn't care about saving the passengers at all, he just wanted to kill a few terrorists and have the pilots land the plane. Anything more than that is too much effort.
