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Then there's the fact its successors are better platformers. Sunshine warp levels are better than anything in 64 in my opinion. 64 is one of the most overrated games I've ever played and I LOVE me some Mario. I just don't love it.
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Holy fuck! I started playing Banjo Kazooie for the first time and it murders Mario 64!
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Then there's the fact its successors are better platformers. Sunshine warp levels are better than anything in 64 in my opinion. 64 is one of the most overrated games I've ever played and I LOVE me some Mario. I just don't love it.
murder is a strong word
both games sit comfortably in my top 5 all time
both masterpieces
mario 64's controls are timeless and the fact that they nailed it so perfectly on their first try only becomes more and more amazing as time goes on. there's a reason the sm64 scene is not only still thriving 25 years later, but it is indeed the MOST popular speed game right now.
meanwhile, you have banjo which has mario beat in some places. that alone is hard to believe.
both games sit comfortably in my top 5 all time
both masterpieces
mario 64's controls are timeless and the fact that they nailed it so perfectly on their first try only becomes more and more amazing as time goes on. there's a reason the sm64 scene is not only still thriving 25 years later, but it is indeed the MOST popular speed game right now.
meanwhile, you have banjo which has mario beat in some places. that alone is hard to believe.
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Glad you enjoy it but that's a hard disagree. Controls are not nearly as tight or satisfying, and the levels are too big and barren, and this is my problem with most if not all collectathons; in a platformer, you shouldn't spend so much time just walking, or talking. These games should be called action adventure instead, not platformers.
In every single way, Banjo Kazooie murders Mario 64.
Music (Bless Grant Kirkhope)
Aesthetic
Enemy Variations
Story
Humor/dialogue
Gameplay.
Mario 64 is legendary, but BK is just an overall improvement
Music (Bless Grant Kirkhope)
Aesthetic
Enemy Variations
Story
Humor/dialogue
Gameplay.
Mario 64 is legendary, but BK is just an overall improvement
It still surprises me why MS hasn't done anything with this IP for a while? If anything, Banjo coming to Smash showed there is a lot of hunger for the game.
It shouldn't be that big of a surprise. The studio tried something different with the IP and the reception was mixed and they've moved on. However given Crash's remasters success, along with Banjo's reception in Smash, the odds of MS doing something more with Banjo in the future is much higher now.
I wish Microsoft would give us a remake collection or new entry but they pretty much won't even acknowledge the franchise anymore. They clearly have zero interest in doing anything more with Banjo-Kazooie.
I have played both multiple times when they were released. At the time I thought BK was the better game because it was so much bigger/complex than Mario 64. A few years ago, I replayed them both and found that Mario 64 aged infinitely better. The controls/camera work better in Mario 64 and seemed a lot less frustrating.
I also played Banjo-Tooie which I thought was a mere average game compared to the other two.
- Mario Odyssey success (the best selling 3D platformer ever)
- Crash remaster success
- Spyro remaster success
- Banjo in Smash success
imagine not making Threeie
imagine having all those Rare IP at your disposal and doing fucking NOTHING with them, especially when you have by far the weakest first party output out of the big three
fuckin hell
- Crash remaster success
- Spyro remaster success
- Banjo in Smash success
imagine not making Threeie
imagine having all those Rare IP at your disposal and doing fucking NOTHING with them, especially when you have by far the weakest first party output out of the big three
fuckin hell
They're both fantastic games but Banjo-Kazooie is in my top 3. Just one of those incredibly pleasant and fun experiences in gaming.
I did a replay of Banjo-Kazooie earlier this year and it more than held up.
I did a replay of Banjo-Kazooie earlier this year and it more than held up.
Isn't it possible that ya'll are speaking too soon on the subject? At least wait till after July.
But Mario 64 doesn't have a lot of platforming either, compared to some other platformers.
This is cast-iron evidence that there is such a thing as a wrong opinion.
No game with the Witchyworld level is better than Banjo Kazooie.
... i've been expecting threeie at every microsoft event since like 2010
lol
Yea its fucking great....until.... the boardgame trivia hellscape. What a terrible design decision, what the fuck. I literally cannot finish it.
I thought the same for kazooie when I replayed it on n64 a few years ago. But then it was the pal version. I think a lot of n64 games havent really aged well due to the low frame rates, rares games especially.
LOL I feel you.
I think Banjo 2 and 3 remake/remasters are more likely than Threeie.
BK was the first game I've ever beaten. Love it. Never got into Mario 64 but i respect the impact it had.
They've never been released on PC, but either Rare Replay on Xbox One or the Xbox 360 Arcade versions are the definitive versions of both games. Rare Replay also comes with a huge amount of other Rare titles gussied up in HD.
Banjo-Kazooie is a masterpiece but Mario 64 just has more freedom, and that goes against every 3D Mario follow up as well.
Time- and location-limited power ups were prevalent in BK and even more in DK64, and the trend of overcollecting began in BK. BK had balance and every Rare game exceeded it in a bad way.
IMO they're too different to compare.
Time- and location-limited power ups were prevalent in BK and even more in DK64, and the trend of overcollecting began in BK. BK had balance and every Rare game exceeded it in a bad way.
IMO they're too different to compare.
I quickly skimmed the posts so that I didn't foolishly repeat what you eloquently stated.
it does
even the latest mario kart ain't got shit on dkr's adventure mode
such a shame we never got a new one.
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The biggest difference between the two games that I noticed in that era was the level design. Mario 64 levels felt bland and boring in comparison to what was in BK. The spaces in BK (for its time) felt like actual places with npcs, noteable landmarks, and unique objectives.
You're not wrong OP. I had both SM64 and Banjo Kazooie as a kid and always preferred Banjo Kazooie. Also don't let the others dissuade you, Banjo Tooie is also great, just not as good as the first one. The levels do get a little too large for their own good, and perhaps a little gimmicky, but I still love them.
Dude, Banjo Kazooie is fantastic. I'm in the camp that prefers Tooie (Tooie is my all time fav game) but BK is absolutely great as well.
Don't own an XB1 so guess its out of the question. That being said appreciate the timely responses and here hoping for a PC port at some point of Rare Replay.
Nice. There are a few slow spots but keep at it. It keeps ramping up to the very end.
The pacing is really good in that game.
You could try emulation. No idea which one provides the best experience though.
I replayed it when I bought Rare replay and I felt the opposite I loved it more than Mario64 as a kid but now feel mario 64 is vastly superior
It always makes me so upset that Rare just constantly sits on great series and refuses to do anything with them. I remember a year or so ago reading an interview with Rare where I think they flat out said they dont wanna make a new Banjo and still doubt that it would be popular. They're like, weirdly stubborn.
It does. Mario Kart 64 was the worst of the big 3 kart racers that gen.
I remember once that Miyamoto made some snyde comment to Rare and they just shrugged it off.
