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Hollywood Reporter: Dave Chappelle Slams Michael Jackson Accusers and "Cancel Culture" in Netflix Special
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The alt right also love video games and anime. Should we cancel those as well?
Yeah, that's the same. Because since they like this special I said cancel all comedy.
Good reading.
I think i followed that post up that he was then corrected, and after a while his stand up changed a little and even the type of comedy he did changed later in his career.
Although I believe if he does get that deal with Netflix you might see him do his Cosby bit from the twain awards. Which even though horrible was funny as hell.
You know damn well you aren't making a good-faith argument here.
Hey, here's a thought: instead of telling the community you're ignorant about why we're wrong, maybe instead just shut the fuck up and listen.
Where did I say your were wrong? I believe people have a right and should be angry. And you are informing people such as myself, thats the point of having a discussion.
But I get the drift. I'm out.
Must have missed Dave becoming an entire media genre.
Trump promoting bigotry through his platform = influences people
Dave promoting transphobia through his platform = doesn't influence people
Uh huh alright that checks out.
You know what the difference is between someone in the trans community telling self deprecating trans jokes at the expense of themselves, versus someone who isn't in the community making trans jokes at the expense of others? The intent. Dave understand this well, he made his entire career on it. He told jokes about the mistreatment of black people not to imply it was deserved, but as an means of endearing himself to his mostly black audience because the edge of the joke always made it clear he was speaking out as "this is wrong". And he himself being black made that point clear. The intent behind his words were always clear to those who had experienced or witnessed the things he joked about.
What eventually happened is his jokes ran such a fine line between "endearing" to black people (and definitely not all black people mind you) and "haha N word" for white people that he saw what it was doing and he started to realize the unintended effect his comedy might be having.
These trans jokes don't have that same edge, they don't have that same intent behind them, because time and again Dave has shown he's not actually speaking from a place of endearment. He is definitely speaking from a place of ignorance, but rather than opening up to understanding it better, or aiming his jokes in a way that clearly identified himself as the "bad guy" in order to try and make the point that these are bad (the technique that Louis CK was known for, although look how that turned out) he's looking for reasons and excuses to not change. His story of the trans person in the epilogue, essentially a long winded way to say "my trans friend here says it's OK", helps make that clear.
You entered this thread literally to tell people that nothing in comedy is off limits. You were directly insinuating the people that are angry are in the wrong. What a weak ass move to bail when people actually voice their disagreement with you. What happened to "We're here to have a discussion".
It's almost like prominent people saying terrible things about marginalized communities helps to normalize those terrible things and encourage awful people to say/do awful things regarding marginalized communities.
I think Dave feels that he's the only one capable of going after PC culture without getting nuked. There's a rather large history with comedians commenting on how "it's not like it used to be".
It'll be interesting to see where this going because Sticks and Stones was obviously targeted and very direct. Usually his skits are societal bending if that's a way to put it. Maybe tackling society issues in a non direct way.
Sticks and stones was about as in your face and direct as it can get. It was purposely done for a reason. The only thing I can think of is what I said earlier. Comedians (including Burr) have been talking about this for awhile now.
They don't want to change their jokes around for someone else's feelings which is pretty much what Burr said on Rogans show.
It'll be interesting to see where this going because Sticks and Stones was obviously targeted and very direct. Usually his skits are societal bending if that's a way to put it. Maybe tackling society issues in a non direct way.
Sticks and stones was about as in your face and direct as it can get. It was purposely done for a reason. The only thing I can think of is what I said earlier. Comedians (including Burr) have been talking about this for awhile now.
They don't want to change their jokes around for someone else's feelings which is pretty much what Burr said on Rogans show.
I'm not saying things like " Shut the fuck up" or mocking people by comparing them to"genius", or Xavier's school for what ever". Never said I was perfect, I saw there were a couple of people who brought up some of the things about comedy, and the taboo things. It is no where my intent to anger anyone. It seems that the discussion is more about that people who feel offended by Dave's material are giving reasons why the way he went about it should have been about the Bigotry correct?
And I think me being straight and not super informed on Trans I guess didn't see it that way in how he presented the material. But now looking back I get why people would be angry in how he mocked trans in more of a harmful way than when someone who is gay lets say or tans tells a joke at their own expense.
I understand now. It's just some of the heated exchanges people were sending me caught me off guard and I wasn't reading some of the responses.
That's my bad, I apologize.
The shitty thing about that mindset is that comedy wasn't "what it used to be" when they were young and upcoming comics. The field had already changed its standards and made some things relatively off limits because society was already becoming sensitive in a good way to the fact that there are limits. Obviously what those limits are or were are on a case by case basis, but they are absolutely there.
In "cancel culture" you're not allowed to express forms of comedy that reach into the taboo zones of society. Comedy thrives when there are no limits to humor. It's not the trans jokes that make him "brave" it's him bringing up a very valid problem in the comedy scene that involves the new hyper-sensitive social culture we've adopted.
Ah, it came off like I pissed you off or something. Sorry.
What the hell are you even trying to say? Yes someone can be all, some, or none of those things at the same time.
Again
Dave Chappelle himself acknowledged that there were limits when he hit one hard enough that he quit his own show.
"Claiming"? The dude is being championed as a hero for this special by leading alt-right media outlets. I provided links if you care to go have a look. Nothing bad faith about it.
It's a stupid argument. The right will champion anything that suits them and then move on to the next thing. Dave is not an icon of the alt right. Most of his act proved that.
I watched about half this routine then bailed. Not only was it too "in your face" for me, it was also just straight up unfunny. It felt like Dave wrote a list of things that annoyed him and just vaguely drapped the jokes around it. It was as if making the routine funny was an after thought.
He started heading this way with his last special but this one just went full "I'm gonna say things I know to be offensive to get a reaction".
He started heading this way with his last special but this one just went full "I'm gonna say things I know to be offensive to get a reaction".
This is correct.
If they want to keep telling their hateful jokes, then they should deal with consequences of doing so. Same for the people that don't want to give up laughing at it.
I can't figure out how I'm supposed to view the person saying stop perpetuating things that harm people like me/me as the more sensitive one when the other side is implying well I was on your side but if you're going to be mean about me laughing about your plight I might stop supporting your fight for equality as much. But I assure you that I care and am an ally.
It's not. When right wing media coalesce around a particular figure and lauds them for punching down, it's worth noting. I just checked, Breitbart has multiple concurrent pieces on their new icon, including this one.
"Dave Chappelle just might save America" but nothing to see here, right?
People laugh at these jokes because they know they couldn't say them, but Dave can! So he makes fun of trans people, you laugh because you agree with what he said and found it funny. You know what he is saying is wrong, but because you agree, it provides humor.
Disgust is the only appropriate response to those jokes.
Gay and trans people are not off limits to comedy. And there are very funny gay jokes that aren't attacking a group. Bo Burnham has some funny stuff in that regard.
Disgust is the only appropriate response to those jokes.
Gay and trans people are not off limits to comedy. And there are very funny gay jokes that aren't attacking a group. Bo Burnham has some funny stuff in that regard.
Trump is an icon. Dave is a convenient rube. An alt right icon doesn't profess that we should arm blacks in order to take guns from whites.
This really displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how humour works.
Icon: "A person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration."
"Dave Chappelle might just save America"
Honestly even the good stuff like the comments on the opioid epidemic isn't that different from what you see on Twitter since the last election cycle at least. And that website is notoriously free
Was it the standard crack vs opioid sentiment or did he add something new to it?
That absolutely describes a sizeable number of people who think his attack helicopter level jokes about trans people are funny
If the game and anime is suporting alt right ideas, yes
Because if what he said now was meant to be a joke, it's not funny.
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Fantastic special, and probably my favorite Netflix special he's done so far. Netflix, please continue the Chapelle gravy train. Dave, please continue to challenge your audiences and be as thought provoking of a comedian as you are.
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