Or? What value is there in a statement trying to cape for social awareness that assumes someone can't be all, some, or none of those things at the same time?
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Hollywood Reporter: Dave Chappelle Slams Michael Jackson Accusers and "Cancel Culture" in Netflix Special
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Or? What value is there in a statement trying to cape for social awareness that assumes someone can't be all, some, or none of those things at the same time?
I know, can you believe the way Daily Caller and Breitbart are propping him up? Pretty gross tbh.
They've latched on to one thing he said. That's hardly 'icon' status.
C'mon man, there's some mostly good faith debate going on in this thread. There's no need to be completely absurd.
The vitriol with which he spits "FAGGOT" is pretty alarming. Again, he's capable of really smart comedy. This was stupid.
There's nothing absurd about it. It's not a coincidence that alt right outlets have zeroed in on Chappelle's deplorable "humor" attacking LGBTQ people and sexual assault victims. He's leaning into it and it's landing well with the Tucker Carlsons of the world.
None of what you're saying makes him an icon of the alt right. An alt right icon wouldn't preach to black people that they need to buy lots of guns in order to scare white people into instituting gun control.
Man, how many of ya'll twisting yourselves into pretzels defending the guy would be doing the same for a white comedian doing the whole "whadda ya mean I can't say nigger?" stuff or talking about how "I didn't make it up, it's just true that black people look like monkeys, I'm just pointing out how funny that is!"
This. We ( lgbt) still take a back seat for many people, the trans community especially has to deal with a disgusting amount of abuse. Even worse when that venom is coming from POC/minority groups that should fucking know better
Then take it up with Daily Caller, Breitbart and conservative rag Washington Examiner, all of whom are propping him up as some sort of "finally, someone to stick it to the homos" hero. They're the ones elevating him to that status with his new special.
You'd hope whoever the greatest comedian of all time was wouldn't feel a need to defend a child rapist through that comedy, or moan about being unable to shout "fa**ot" in their routines.
Thank you for this mods, threads like this that involve something/someone people love being problematic are more and more full of posts like that, it's so so frustrating trying to get people to listen as it is without it being treated as a joke by people
Comedy is essentially a cult.
How else can rich millionaires go on giant platforms, stages, news sites and let everyone know they're being silenced (frequently the claim is being silenced by minorities too), and have so many agree
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The amount of cries about evil ~political correctness~ sure remind me of other places. The shift in this forum is being pretty notable as LGBT.
Are the alt-right cheering him as their hero or not?
Yes or no?
Oh, they are? Breitbart's writing articles praising him? Then he's an icon of the alt-right. That's what an icon of a group literally is.
People sure twist themselves into corkscrews to avoid admitting that stoking hatred against vulnerabile minorities is maybe a problem with consequences.
Are the alt-right cheering him as their hero or not?
Yes or no?
Oh, they are? Breitbart's writing articles praising him? Then he's an icon of the alt-right. That's what an icon of a group literally is.
People sure twist themselves into corkscrews to avoid admitting that stoking hatred against vulnerabile minorities is maybe a problem with consequences.
For all this hubbub about cancel culture, I can only think of four celebrities that have had their careers successfully finished because of social media pressure:
Al Franken
Roseanne Barr
Kevin Spacey
Milo
I encourage anyone else concerned about the horrors of "cancel culture" to contribute to this list.
Everyone else I can think of that was met with significant social media pressure suffered setbacks but still have a career. You can't exactly call those people cancelled.
You could make a case for Louis CK, but since he's a sexual predator with a long string of victims and confessed to his crimes, then we might as well include Cosby, Harvey Weinstein et al and that doesn't seem wholly appropriate. Also Louis is selling out venues and in effect still has a platform. His Netflix specials are AFAIK still available. He's very much rehabilitating his career.
Meanwhile he and countless comedians complain about how difficult it is to tell jokes yet many of those same comedians have sold out tours and Netflix specials. It's such a transparent racket that you'd either have to be a fool or willfully ignorant to fall for it.
That panic about cancel culture permeated the social consciousness when we have DONALD FUCKING TRUMP as President will never not be tragic and hilarious to me. It's just 90's "PC police" bullshit with a fresh coat of paint.
Al Franken
Roseanne Barr
Kevin Spacey
Milo
I encourage anyone else concerned about the horrors of "cancel culture" to contribute to this list.
Everyone else I can think of that was met with significant social media pressure suffered setbacks but still have a career. You can't exactly call those people cancelled.
You could make a case for Louis CK, but since he's a sexual predator with a long string of victims and confessed to his crimes, then we might as well include Cosby, Harvey Weinstein et al and that doesn't seem wholly appropriate. Also Louis is selling out venues and in effect still has a platform. His Netflix specials are AFAIK still available. He's very much rehabilitating his career.
Meanwhile he and countless comedians complain about how difficult it is to tell jokes yet many of those same comedians have sold out tours and Netflix specials. It's such a transparent racket that you'd either have to be a fool or willfully ignorant to fall for it.
That panic about cancel culture permeated the social consciousness when we have DONALD FUCKING TRUMP as President will never not be tragic and hilarious to me. It's just 90's "PC police" bullshit with a fresh coat of paint.
That's what jumped out at me too.
Defending some black people's use of the N-word is often done within the context of reclaiming the word. The same goes for the F-word. Here he's not reclaiming anything, he's just moving the goal posts and getting a cheap laugh at a group of people he feels his audience will accept him punching down to.
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I don't hear any vitriol at all. Just that he yells it loudly and abruptly, which is the opposite of what you would expect, which is what theoretically makes it funny.
There are some points here I really agree with. Its all fine and dandy to shit on and make fun of, in far more offensive terms than Chapelle did of say, Arabs and Muslims, and everyone here would love it and applaud it.
People love Larry David for constantly attacking Muslims, cheer him on. Including on Resetera. People loved Sasha Baron for making an extremely racist movie in Borat, which shits over an entire country for being backwards.
But make when you are made fun of, or something you care about, then its going too far. Just seems hypocritical to me.
Yea I'm gonna need receipts for this
FOH trying to minimize our disgust for some of the shit he said. At least the 4 posts above yours are 100 dead on with their commentary
I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be disgusted or offended. Quite the opposite. The point is that it tends to be quite selective, and a little hypocritical. People are fine with comedians punching down as long as its not about them or something they care about.
I saw the special, Dave Chapelle makes jokes. The premise is almost always something stupid and offensive, and then the joke contradicts what he just said.
Yep. Imagine if the Ion Fury devs prefaced their discord conversation with "it's just a joke" or "I'm practicing my stand up routine."
Issue solved.
Oh bullshit he has balls. Any coward can make millions shitting on trans people while getting cheered on by a sold out crowd, while playing the victim.
He's not brave. Please.
Is the issue here the subject of the "jokes" or the way they are presented? He made jokes about Michael Jackson over a decade ago which boiled down to the same conclusion, only they were funny. Was there an outrage over "He made Thriller."? Is there an outrage now over the same joke? Would there be outrage this time if it wasn't just his opinion under the disguise of a "joke"?
He walking away this time?
Now that people are taking his stuff to justify mocking trans folk? Or is he quadrupling down for profit off the backs of dehumanizing us?
Some folks should just come out admit that they'll defend Chappelle being transphobic because he's created a safe space to be honest about how deep down they feel trans folk are delusional and that they're relieved that Chappelle has given them permission to laugh at us
I dunno.
the "He made Thriller" sketch was actually the bit where he "defended" MJ and R.Kelly during the jury selection process.
Prosecutors would mention damaging evidence against the MJ and he would respond with an obviously outrageous explanation for how that evidence could exist without a crime.
For R.Kelly, he argued for a comically insane high burden of proof that would make his innocence non-falsifiable, And dismissed the already clearcut proof that was readily available.
His character was making the same outrageous types of arguments then, as he's making in the special now, but since it was a sketch people immediately recognize that the arguments aren't meant to be taken seriously and that the target of the joke is the nonsensical reasoning required to defend a child rapist. For whatever reason, people are now taking the clearly intentionally flawed logic as his actual personal opinion.
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It's really sick to see MJ trending on twitter cause is his "birthday"... like anything has ever happened... and I'm used to like his music but now he just repells me.
I attended the Gem City Shine concert in Dayton, Ohio this past weekend in honor of the victims of the mass shooting in the Oregon district and Dave using that platform to rally the 20,000+ crowd to action to change gun control laws certainly seemed "leftist" to me.
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For sure. His first few Netflix specials were immensely disappointing and unfunny, full of rape jokes. He needs to get lost.
And because of this, we must still view him as being on the left when he's openly promoting right-wing ideas on the LGBTQ community?
If I shoot someone, is that excused because most days I wasn't shooting anyone?
"You guys are saying she's a murder, but I saw her at a cookout last weekend, and she didn't kill one person that whole afternoon. Seems pretty non-violent to me!"
Being on the left isn't a badge you buy, and then you just do what you want. You can be one thing one minute, and something else the next. It's not a difficult concept.
There are principles involved. When you're standing for those principles, you get to call yourself leftist. When you're reinforcing bigoted ideas about LGBTQ people, you don't, and you need to be called out.
I got that it was supposed to be intentionally provocative, but the biggest problem was that it just wasn't funny. The subject matter didn't really work with his execution.
Also personally - and I don't mean this in a "bitch eating crackers" kinda way - I didn't like how often he broke, walked back from the stage, and laughed at his own jokes. That's just a pet peeve of mine, and I tend to see it as a tell when comedians know their stuff isn't that funny.
Also personally - and I don't mean this in a "bitch eating crackers" kinda way - I didn't like how often he broke, walked back from the stage, and laughed at his own jokes. That's just a pet peeve of mine, and I tend to see it as a tell when comedians know their stuff isn't that funny.
I don't see why we are going back and forth on claiming Dave politically. He's a socially insensitive Democrat who is Black politically first and foremost. There are plenty of bigoted Democrats.
I'm honestly surprised he's making trans jokes again. They're obviously punching down and just not funny. Why would you orbit around an unfunny topic for 3 specials now? There's no reason why the time can't be used for other jokes.
I'm honestly surprised he's making trans jokes again. They're obviously punching down and just not funny. Why would you orbit around an unfunny topic for 3 specials now? There's no reason why the time can't be used for other jokes.
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Either you die a comedy genius or you live long enough to be corny as hell.
good thing Dane Cook skipped the genius part
This is a great post. This debate always reminds me of that Patrice O'Neal interview (Warning, conversation about Rape jokes)
The entire analogy to him being actually Chinese is straight up "attack helicopter" nonsense which is all about calling trans people ridiculous and delusional
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