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Hollywood Reporter: Dave Chappelle Slams Michael Jackson Accusers and "Cancel Culture" in Netflix Special
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Damn geniune self reflection, that is rare. When did comedy become this sacred untouchable art? You put art out there, doesn't mean people can't feel a type of way about itEh...Anthony Jeselnik's whole gimmick is being shocking/offensive, and while I haven't seen all of his material, I can't remember him saying anything that was half as problematic as Chappelle.
He's joked about pedophilia, but he doesn't joke about it by making fun of specific real-life cases of child rape, and the victims of those real crimes, like Chapelle did.
I think Jeselnik has crossed some lines , but he's also shown growth, and is at least interested in trying to read the room and adjust.
Which is the opposite of Chappelle's regression.
The context of the show, and how he prefaces many of the jokes, is 'I'm going to say some horrendous stuff, but remember you did come to watch'.
Taking the quotes outside of the setting, devoid of even the inflection of how they were said, and putting them under a microscope seems pointless. They aren't statements. He's trying to do a wirewalk of getting laughs with sensitive subjects for an audience, and there wasn't anything in it that struck me as bullying or an attack.
Taking the quotes outside of the setting, devoid of even the inflection of how they were said, and putting them under a microscope seems pointless. They aren't statements. He's trying to do a wirewalk of getting laughs with sensitive subjects for an audience, and there wasn't anything in it that struck me as bullying or an attack.
He could just make a funny voice while telling the story of the shenaningans that happen in a random trip of his to the grocery story and have everyone in stitches but no, let's just use garbage like this as netflix special material instead...
His worst special by a wide margin. Just felt mean-spirited and reactionary like an old man yelling at clouds. Only real legit funny bit was the cell phone interruption. That was the loudest and biggest reaction from the audience all night.
The first half was just painful to watch. No amount of context can salvage or justify any of those bits. At least for most of the second half he moved away from that save for the Smollett segment, which was again this stuff indulgent victory lap.
Still even then most of it wasn't that good despite not punching down. His parallels of the opium crisis to the crack epidemic had glimmers of his past brilliance, but came up short. As did his closer talking about his youth. I was just glad it was over by that point.
The first half was just painful to watch. No amount of context can salvage or justify any of those bits. At least for most of the second half he moved away from that save for the Smollett segment, which was again this stuff indulgent victory lap.
Still even then most of it wasn't that good despite not punching down. His parallels of the opium crisis to the crack epidemic had glimmers of his past brilliance, but came up short. As did his closer talking about his youth. I was just glad it was over by that point.
Really digging this sentiment that comedians are entitled to fairness and absolution that literally nobody else in the world ever gets just for existing.
Yeah, Chapelle, Mahr, and some other comedians definitely feel threatened about horrible shit they say being used against them.
Yeah, that was great. Overall I liked it although the MJ stuff made me raise an eyebrow
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I just watched it; and I watch the short little 20 minute post credit and I had a good time - there were more than a few laughs. It's comedy. Its uncomfortable in parts but it wouldn't be as cutting if it wasn't. I enjoyed the special and he had a story/anecdote about a transexual called daphne and she shows up in the 20 minute short epilogue.
8/10
That's not at all what his messaging is re: trump.
8/10
That's not at all what his messaging is re: trump.
that's not even remotely true and i'm not sure what being brave has anything to with what i said.
I love Chappelle's stuff, but I gotta admit I was feeling really uncomfortable with his whole MJ skit. I don't know if MJ really did that stuff or not, but to downplay sexual abuse of children isn't ever funny.
Overall this one wasn't as funny as his other shows, but all of these statements were made during a stand up comedy show. You can't really take any of them as serious statements or even know how much of it he even believes in himself. His job is just to make the audience laugh. Unfortunately he did it in a really stupid way by crossing boundaries which shouldn't be crossed, even in a comedy show.
Overall this one wasn't as funny as his other shows, but all of these statements were made during a stand up comedy show. You can't really take any of them as serious statements or even know how much of it he even believes in himself. His job is just to make the audience laugh. Unfortunately he did it in a really stupid way by crossing boundaries which shouldn't be crossed, even in a comedy show.
If you watch "Finding Neverland", it 100% proves Michael Jackson did that shit.
I like Chappelle, but damn that MJ stuff was really fucked up.
Publicly and proudly going to bat for child molestation like this should have consequences.
I thought the special was hilarious. I think people need to have context when it comes to comedy. If Chapelle said those things outside of a stand-up setting, I would have issue, but within the confines of comedy, I think it's all fair game.
But they're meant to be stupid, that's what makes the routine funny. So weird that people think he's going up there to seriously try and convince people that MJ is innocent.
If someone jokes during a standup routine I'm not going to judge them as if they sidled up to me at the office and whispered some heinous shit with a straight face, it's a routine and some hit and some miss.
Shock comedy is a thing, just look at some of Frankie Boyles sets.
Shock comedy is a thing, just look at some of Frankie Boyles sets.
I'm very glad the tide has finally turned on Michael Jackson. However, this is another example of someone holding what was once a very acceptable position 4 months too long. Chappelle's take was widely held as recent as early 2019. Hell, on this very forum leading up to the Leaving Neverland documentary, many Era users openly defended Michael Jackson. Called victims liars, defended his kiddie porn collection as art, and regarded the FBI investigation as proof of his innocence. Unbanned.
So while I've always said "Fuck Michael Jackson" - people need to remember that such a statement was a hot take not too long ago.
Another thing to keep in mind, Dave Chappelle said this same shit 15 years ago on his own show with much of the same information we have today.
Hopefully they haven't changed to the point that one of the best 3 or 4 people to ever do standup wouldn't be widely celebrated.
You said it was lazy. thats the opposite of what this special was. Call it bad or tonedeaf or offensive, but lazy it is not
i dont think it will ever get that bad. in fact i think what will probably happen is people will stop giving a shit. people get tired of mass shootings and dont even keep that same energy for more than a fuckin week smh.
itll be some other spicy red hot news article or take in about a week we will all collectively gasp at and then not give it another thought. the shit on the internet is not actual real life and most people have way too much other shit to worry about than to read some article that is essentially embedded tweets from some idiot with a dogface emoji and a hilarious pun for a handle dishing out scotch bonnet levels of heat to all 12 followers they got.
I'm very glad the tide has finally turned on Michael Jackson. However, this is another example of someone holding what was once a very acceptable position 4 months too long. Chappelle's take was widely held as recent as early 2019. Hell, on this very forum leading up to the Leaving Neverland documentary, many Era users openly defended Michael Jackson. Called victims liars, defended his kiddie porn collection as art, and regarded the FBI investigation as proof of his innocence. Unbanned.
So while I've always said "Fuck Michael Jackson" - people need to remember that such a statement was a hot take not too long ago.
Another thing to keep in mind, Dave Chappelle said this same shit 15 years ago on his own show with much of the same information we have today.
Now that I think of it, yeah he did a skit on it. I wonder even if he even watched that documentary or just has cognitive dissonance over it now.
I think that's what will eventually happen as well. When everything becomes offensive then eventually nothing becomes offensive.
I've always hearing about "punching up" when joking about taboo topics.
You don't punch the victims... in this case, the Michael Jackson accusers.
I was never a fan of Dave Chappelle and this has only cemented my opinion of him.
You don't punch the victims... in this case, the Michael Jackson accusers.
I was never a fan of Dave Chappelle and this has only cemented my opinion of him.
There's a constant shitty thing people who defend shitty comedy do where they try and evoke George Carlin in these kinds of threads as the ultimate defense of offensive comedy because "George Carlin couldn't work in today's social climate" as if he was incapable of adapting and changing his comedy.
Dave is a comedian, and he doesn't hate trans people, he just thinks they're gross!
He comes off as any other moron on Facebook posting anti-trans memes or some shit.
Vice article is worth reading.
What a genius.
He comes off as any other moron on Facebook posting anti-trans memes or some shit.
Vice article is worth reading.
What a genius.
I always thought it was lazy and dismissive. Like folks that say "blazing saddles" couldn't be made today. When films that hit as hard if not harder get made on the regular
Makes sense. He was in their "movie" (Space Cop) a few years ago. Oswald was also in Two and a Half Men and Rick and Morty.
#canceloswald
Context does matter a lot, and I think discussing his specials in an internet forum while pulling out 1 line snippets is unfair to him, just like he is unfair to the targets of his jokes many times ("punching down").
In the 15 year old case, I didn't take it as him saying "15 year old girls are totally legal!" It was the context of young black men being tried as adults for crimes when they are 15 years old. Why does society treat young black men one way, but young girls the same age a totally different way? He was just talking about the hypocrisy of American morals, and using R Kelly and young girls as the juxtaposition. I believe that was also the joke that segue'd into the Emmett Till story, about a 14 year old black kid who was murdered in 1955 for flirting with a white woman.
Most of his jokes do tend to have a root of "young black men have it always the worst in America, and this is why situation X is related to the suffering of black men", which is more just a case of Chappelle pouring his own life experiences into his joke. It does create really interesting second and third tier "meta" issues, like black people who really vibe with Dave's life being in his material, progressives who see the hurtful jokes and nothing else, and then secondary weirder tiers like people who think all black people must agree with Chappelle due to some sort of "black solidarity" thing and give it all a pass, black members who think Chappelle is an asshole and cringe at people who tell them "they understand Dave", etc.
I came here to say this basically. It really tells you a lot about the comedian based on what subjects they decide to tackle. This dude is old and swimming in his millions and has no connection to the world he came from. So he's just punching down.
To me, this was all just set-up for a joke about how Culkin was hard to catch, a reference to Home Alone. It was a ridiculously silly punch line that made it clear that I should not really take anything he's saying seriously.
I was literally lol that's so fucking hilariously dumb, like Matrix-level Dad Joke. I did not think lol child rape. In fact, I reflected on the plight of the victims more than I would have had I not watched Chapelle's set.
DC comes across as out of touch with the zeitgeist, but so does everyone to some extent as they age. I can yikes at people's bad takes and still be interested in what they have to say, especially if they're just trying to make me laugh and give me a break from all the actual shit that's raining down all around me
I was literally lol that's so fucking hilariously dumb, like Matrix-level Dad Joke. I did not think lol child rape. In fact, I reflected on the plight of the victims more than I would have had I not watched Chapelle's set.
DC comes across as out of touch with the zeitgeist, but so does everyone to some extent as they age. I can yikes at people's bad takes and still be interested in what they have to say, especially if they're just trying to make me laugh and give me a break from all the actual shit that's raining down all around me
Mhmm
He's just recycling old material in a more "shock jock" type of way and it's just fucking zzzzzzzzzzzz at this point
And often ones with massive platforms and zero risk of actually being cancelled lol
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