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Hogwarts Legacy senior producer Troy Leavitt, a game dev who used to make anti-feminist and pro gamer-gate videos (staff post added)(Up: Resigns)
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If you'd left this little snippet out, your failed attempt at a moral high ground might have passed us by.
I think at one point someone needs to make a thread so people will understand that devs still get paid regardless of whether or not you buy a game or not due to whatever reasons you have (not counting indie since that's a hugely different area). The defense of "what about other devs making game" needs to die/people need to see that devs don't actually get residuals for making game and generally get paid for their work and then that's it.
He disclosed his youtube channel to WB Games and they had no issue with it.
It doesn't help if the company bankrolling the project doesn't care at all. Check out the threadmark with the Kotaku article.
This seems to be the appropriate thread to discuss the matter (certainly more appropriate than this thread):
Personally I was beyond disgusted by the Blitzchung affair and how they handled it; and have boycotted their games ever since, but a forum-wide ban on Blizzard doesn't seem quite realistic right now given a) they're a much larger part of the gaming industry than WB, and b) they have made sure to cover their asses with plenty of plausible deniability (as opposed to Rowling and Leavitt who are making their stances aggressively clear). But perhaps you can mak a strong case for all Blizzard game OTs to have a disclaimer at the top a bit like the CP2077 OT had.
Anyway, this is my last post on the matter in this thread, to prevent derailing it any further.
While that is an also important matter, it probably isn't a good look to bring that whataboutism into a thread about someone that used their platform to support a hate movement while also wearing the avatar of someone that did the exact same thing.
WBs CEOs official stance is that its fine for their employee's to "Share opinions on social media", WB nor Avalanche was tricked or betrayed by this person or JK Rowling. They declined to even talk about it.
They knew, they just don't care.
terrible idea. Think about the implications of what you are suggesting.
The thread got locked, but I think its still worth reading as a collection of fuckery
JK Rowling is a transphobic bigot, and you shouldn't support her or Harry Potter.
Here's a new thread, with an OP of all her awfulness. Since an awful lot of Era seems like they don't care that Rowling is a bigot and just want to enjoy their Harry Potter video game. Also before someone asks, the definition of TERF TERF is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist...
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Will this be pinned as a forum announcement? I'd hate for users who aren't reading this thread to miss this announcement!
Their thought process is that they want to make money and don't care about people that are different from them.
... thread made me angry with people not wanting to see the shit she's talked about. Some people love having their heads in the sand going "BLAH BLAH BLAH I CANT HEAR YOU" and "WHAT ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES!!!"The thread got locked, but I think its still worth reading as a collection of fuckery
JK Rowling is a transphobic bigot, and you shouldn't support her or Harry Potter.
Here's a new thread, with an OP of all her awfulness. Since an awful lot of Era seems like they don't care that Rowling is a bigot and just want to enjoy their Harry Potter video game. Also before someone asks, the definition of TERF TERF is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist...
I bolded what I take issue with. It is not our responsibility to buy games to keep devs employed. This type of message needs to STOP. It was mentioned here, it was mentioned with Cyberpunk, and I'm sure it's been mentioned for other games before and other games that are to come.
I wasn't a fan of Harry Potter, so I had no intention of buying this game. Using the logic of the bolded, that means I'm punishing hard working devs. That's absurd. No one actually thinks every single video game should be bought. So my reason for not buying HP or any sort of Call of Duty (to give an example of another series I ignore), due to lack of interest, is seen as a valid reason. Yet wanting to not support a game due to a bigot, no matter how big or small? Suddenly it's "think of the devs"
No. That's not how this works and the "think of the devs" rhetoric needs to stop.
The flip side to "let's ban all discussion of Hogwarts" and "let's make a single dedicated thread for JK" (that has barely been posted in this year) just means the game and related issues are going to get ignored/buriedThe thread got locked, but I think its still worth reading as a collection of fuckery
JK Rowling is a transphobic bigot, and you shouldn't support her or Harry Potter.
Here's a new thread, with an OP of all her awfulness. Since an awful lot of Era seems like they don't care that Rowling is a bigot and just want to enjoy their Harry Potter video game. Also before someone asks, the definition of TERF TERF is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist...
If the majority of the community thinks that's the best approach that's fine, but if I felt so strongly about an issue I wouldn't personally go that route
I wonder if there's a way for them to sticky the thread to the top in gaming but have it redirect to the thread in OT. So that way people can't ignore it (unless they use said ignore thread button) since apparently having threads do help get rid of troll/second accounts. And that people still show their ass and need their rhetoric challenged.
The whataboutisms that some people love to throw is always infuriating. Like fam if you want to talk about a certain issue make a thread about it! Don't come giving me this ''but what about x, huh HUH?'' shit in a thread that is specifically about JK Rowling's transphobia ffs.
Sorry for the rant, but is shit is just hurgh.
i imagine it's a thread that will be better received around when this lumbering butt hole of a game finally launches (seems to be having issues)The thread got locked, but I think its still worth reading as a collection of fuckery
JK Rowling is a transphobic bigot, and you shouldn't support her or Harry Potter.
Here's a new thread, with an OP of all her awfulness. Since an awful lot of Era seems like they don't care that Rowling is a bigot and just want to enjoy their Harry Potter video game. Also before someone asks, the definition of TERF TERF is an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist...
until then, I'll keep a watch on your original thread:
TERF JK Rowling continues to be a hateful bigot.
Members have been asking for a single thread about JK Rowling that can serve as a comprehensive resource about her transphobic bigotry – many are already using this thread for that purpose, so we’re going to make it official: News about JK Rowling herself or any updates about the awful things...
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I think maybe I should just quote said people and tell them they sound like "all lives matter folk" since its just they don't care enough about people to make a thread but when a marginalized group gets attack they care enough to take the attention off of said group and make it about someone else....
If your priority in fighting for a harmful IP to have a presence here is "cis people need to be educated tho" then just quit while you're behind. The point is incredibly tiresome, especially when it's perpetually presented by people for whom that burden of educating won't fall upon.
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The IP itself isn't harmful though, at least no more so than most other IPs. The issue is JK. I think the recent news that one of the devs is a twat is largely irrelevant. You've got teams of multiple hundreds of people working on AAA games. There's going to be more than one odious person working on every game in your collection,
The IP itself isn't harmful though, at least no more so than most other IPs. The issue is JK. I think the recent news that one of the devs is a twat is largely irrelevant. You've got teams of multiple hundreds of people working on AAA games. There's going to be more than one odious person working on every game in your collection,
The IP is harmful since fans of it are drawn toward Rowling, give more weight to her words and feel an impulse to defend her. It can work to poison people's views of trans people as a result when their only exposure to their issues is through Rowling's misguided rants. So don't throw the "multiple hundreds of people working on games" at me, please. I'm keenly aware of how adoration for Harry Potter and Rowling's impact with her transphobia are intertwined.
I am so tired of people saying that they are getting the game but they don't support her views, like it makes it okay. Guess what, buying the game is supporting her views! You are giving her money, so she can continue to hurt trans people. I saw that sentiment popping up in the thread that was just banned and it just makes my blood boil. If you're going to buy the game, fine, just please stop announcing it. There's also seems to be a mentality that it's going to sell well anyways, so one more person buying it doesn't matter. It does matter.
Also, I will be really disappointed if there is an OT for this game and it makes me wary that it is still being discussed. Cyberpunk was one thing, but this is something very different. Having an OT still promotes discussion, which still promotes the game. I honestly don't think I will be able to stomach visiting this site if that is case.
Also, I will be really disappointed if there is an OT for this game and it makes me wary that it is still being discussed. Cyberpunk was one thing, but this is something very different. Having an OT still promotes discussion, which still promotes the game. I honestly don't think I will be able to stomach visiting this site if that is case.
Yeah this is exactly why I'd like a thread to stay on the front page at all times. To clean the site of this shit <_<. Yes if you think trans rights are politics you are a fucking asshole.. They're basic human rights everyone is entitled to.
Can agree there, went into it earlier in the thread as to why that argument doesn't really apply in the same way as it did for that game:
By the way, Jason Schreier tweeted about this game being banned on Era, so expect a major uptick in people with 20 posts in 3 years adding their two cents.
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I'm reading this as there will be more threads if more issues arise?
JK is rich as fuck. The horse has long ago bolted on having a platform. At this point whether people buy the game is irrelevant to the point of her having a platform. Her platform has been established by the books that sold millions.
Going after people who want to play the game is pointless and counterproductive
I mean, this has always been at the heart of the "support the devs" rhetoric. There's a reason that people stopped using that to defend Cyberpank when it was revealed to be a bad game. Nice to see someone say the quiet part outloud though.
We get it, you want to play the game.
The issues are more or less constant
What I'm saying is if people want a new weekly dunk on JK thread I think that's fine, I don't think she needs to do anything else or we need another game dev unmasked to justify it. But like I said it's not something I have the strongest feelings over and it's up to the community/mods to decide the approach they're happiest with
That's not what the staff post said.
Total ban on threads for promotional media for the game, so no platform for the marketing, no hype threads/dev diaries etc.
If there's an issue related to the controversy that a member thinks is important/that the community would be interested in, please give us a shout before posting the thread.
Good decision by the staff.
They even put two spaces after each period, to add insult to injury.
I knew I forgot to mention that in my post. How many Cyberpunk fans were "thinking of the devs" when they were demanding refunds for their buggy game. lol
I didn't think that's what the staff post meant, but then you closed a thread criticizing JK and then forwarded it to an old mega thread that hadn't been posted in in a month, which IMO doesn't do much other than hide the criticism
if the approach is out of sight out of mind, that's fine, again just not what I would do. Even if it's more chaotic, let her get dragged IMO. Not like gaming side had the mega thread stickied.
Plus, we already know that this line of thinking was a failure with CP2077 still getting a platform here on release date. Lots of people couldn't care less about trans rights and instead openly complained about not being able to say how much they liked the game.
At least the game was an embarrassing buggy failure.
It's really unfortunate that a cultural touchstone for so many people my age is now forever tainted by JK Rowling being a horrible garbage-person.
And you can't even excise her from it, because she won't shut up and she's still an incredibly popular and influential presence so her ability to spread hate is enormous.
And having some Gater moron in charge of dev for this game just proves that a bad apple does spoil the bunch. It doesn't matter how many good people have worked on the Harry Potter IP in some capacity, because JK's rot is spreading throughout the whole thing.
And you can't even excise her from it, because she won't shut up and she's still an incredibly popular and influential presence so her ability to spread hate is enormous.
And having some Gater moron in charge of dev for this game just proves that a bad apple does spoil the bunch. It doesn't matter how many good people have worked on the Harry Potter IP in some capacity, because JK's rot is spreading throughout the whole thing.
I'm frustrated that it was ever framed as otherwise-interested consumers nebulously "punishing" "devs" for passing on a licensed game and not JK Rowling violently betraying/punishing everyone working on her IP that doesn't share her bigotry, especially trans employees. The workers impacted by the high-up bigotry aren't getting a break with the revealing of the lead designer's actions.
I'm satisfied with ResetEra's plan for Hogwarts Legacy discussion.
My partner wanted to go to Hogwarts at Universal for years. Couple years back, we were on a trip to LA with some friends for D23, and we made sure to stop by there. I have zero fucking affinity for Harry Potter beyond thinking acouple of the movies were okay, but they were super important books for her childhood. And it was a good trip, a crazy-ass ride, had some butter beer, bunch of fun photos. And she even got 'chosen' for the wand ceremony they do. Beyond the lines, it couldn't have been a better visit.
Rowling going from "wizards shit on the floor" to pretty brazen bigotry forced her to reexamine her own relationship with that series. That trip basically was the final capstone and farewell for her attachment to that series. Even the thought of reading those books or watching those movies again leaves such a bad taste in her mouth. And every day, she's grateful she never went through with that 'Deathly Hallows' tattoo she once wanted several years back.
You realize that makes your defense even more suspect then yes? If you don't even care about the game, then why choose this hill to die on?
Some people stretch "disclose" to mean "I mentioned it in my application as a generalized positive, that I had consistently produced web-content for a period of years, without any mention or clarification of the topic/issue itself." In effect, hiding a potential problem in a pile of normal-sounding positives. I've seen people do this in at least two companies I've worked at.