What the heck lol
So he's also a pandemic unbeliever?
He's full package of far right
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Hogwarts Legacy senior producer Troy Leavitt, a game dev who used to make anti-feminist and pro gamer-gate videos (staff post added)(Up: Resigns)
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What the heck lol
So he's also a pandemic unbeliever?
He's full package of far right
I don't fully understand what gamergate was/is... from what I read on Wikipedia it was like a bunch of gamers and developers who were shaming female journalists for writing about misogyny or something?
But it's also some identification of a bunch of boomers who make "memes" and cyber bullying using homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism and racism and attack feminists, LGBTQ and any progressive game? And also steps to support sexual assaulters, bigots and fascist politicians like Trump and Bolsonaro?
If someone that's familiar with it cares to explain, I'll really appreciate.
Either way, fuck them, there is no way to tolerate those kind of people having any spotlight.
But it's also some identification of a bunch of boomers who make "memes" and cyber bullying using homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, ableism and racism and attack feminists, LGBTQ and any progressive game? And also steps to support sexual assaulters, bigots and fascist politicians like Trump and Bolsonaro?
If someone that's familiar with it cares to explain, I'll really appreciate.
Either way, fuck them, there is no way to tolerate those kind of people having any spotlight.
This is a good watch, along with the rest of the "Why Are You So Angry" playlist by Innuendo Studios
It was a movement started by 4chan raids to harass women basically. "Ethics in games journalism" was a shield to deflect criticism and pick up angry gamers, such as their "Angry Jack" example of how an average disillusioned and insecure person starts to build contempt for things that don't affect them because it makes them feel like they're "forced" to reflect on themselves. People like vegans, environmentalists, people who don't drink, etc, it gets them thinking, "if they think they're good, does that make me bad? Are they judging me?".
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Why is this so funny?!
Barrel of laughs...
But yeah I grew up on Harry Potter and fuck this. The series is cursed like the DADA position at Hogwarts.
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fuck this game. no need to give it a platform here.
Marcelo Guimaraes It was also a proto alt right movement, almost like a rehearsal for the eventual campaign and movement that led to Trump becoming President.
Steve Bannon was the chairman of Breitbart News and eventual WH strategist/campaign strategist to Trump.
What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
The 2014 online hate-storm presaged the tactics of the Trump-loving far right movement. Prominent critics of the president elect should take note
www.theguardian.com
If it wasn't for discussion on here I wouldn't know about many of these issues. I don't really use Twitter and don't spend free time researching into things like these anyways. I don't typically know popular gamer YouTube people, etc.
I won't be supporting for reasons that everyone else has hammered home a million times (just like I won't buy Cyberpunk) but I do support discussion of games to be allowed even ones that have known issues like those two.
You can have discussions around Rowling and a notice in a sticky making people aware as to a decision made and why, alongside staff posts in subsequent locked threads that may pop up, without allowing for a stream of adoration and glee toward the IP and associated products. The notion that you must allow for complete discussion of something to educate people via is false. There are bookstores that have stopped stocking her books. They didn't have an onus to continue supporting her work in order to educate others, not sure why there would be one here.
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lemme be the 20th person to point out how brilliant this image is
Worth pointing out as well how often educating cis people becomes the top priority in topics around hateful bigots and trans/NB people. It isn't our responsibility to support that which is actively harmful to us just so cis folks get a free lesson.
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The problem with this game is that while the game itself doesn't really have the issues, literally anyone that buys the game is giving money to groups that straight up don't want anyone trans to exist. Even with Cyberpunk, there isn't an actual known TERF that is one of the heads of the game.
But if you ban discussion of everything around an item then this thread shouldn't exist nor should any topic about the game. And I'm going to guess a lot of people have made their decision not to support this game based on threads like these. I just don't see how instantly deleting or banning everything related to the game makes sense. It seems like ok no one talk about this game isn't going to be helpful to that end.
Also I'm not sure where the endless adoration and glee is coming from. I haven't followed every possible thread but lots of the ones I've been in have been filled with people saying they won't buy the game and why. In this thread you've got a very small amount of people saying they still plan to buy it and an overwhelmingly large amount saying they won't support it me included.
I get that places ban her books and all that and I support that if it's what those owners want to do. I'm merely saying this is a discussion board and if one is trying to limit the amount of money made off a hateful IP I'm not sure saying no one is allowed to talk about it is the way to go. I think discussions of the issues with the game have lead to less support on here and not more.
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I get that. I guess I'm trying to say that I think discussion of the game and the issues with it leads to less sales and not more. If I hadn't known of issues with Cyberpunk I may have bought it. JK Rowling was almost impossible to miss but some people may have been willing to let that slide but then read about this and said ok that's enough I'm out.
Not sure if you're being serious but I'm assuming you understand there's a line between banning topics around the game and raising awareness as to why the game was banned, and allowing the usual foray of threads around a game that you would usual see. This is in addition to Etcetera threads on Rowling and any ongoing moves she makes around trans lives. That's what I said in what you responded to, as there should be a notice of the decision made and an explanation with links to learn more on the issue.
When most people are advocating for a ban on the game they mean they don't want to see general threads about it. Not that they would be opposed to a staff thread highlighting why a ban was put in place. One which would cover a lot of what Rowling has done up until now in damaging trans lives, and links to understand more.
It comes from having been in most of those threads and an awareness of what they have been like, and what an anticipated OT for the game would be like on release.
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yes I was largely commenting on the people saying can we ban discussion of this game. I'm saying that the discussions of the game on here so far have probably diminished the sales of the game from Era users, not enhanced them. I could be wrong, just judging by the threads I've been in. Some people on Era are going to buy the game and it doesn't matter what discussion is or isn't allowed. Just like everyone not on Era. But some people also may not buy the game the more they learn of those issues through threads such as these.
So when I hear ban discussion of the game I just wonder if that's the right move to make. This is discussion of the game and from the way the thread has gone and the overwhelming majority of responses it doesn't seem as if it is enhancing sales or anything.
Maybe it's splitting hairs as to what people actually mean when they say ban discussion of it or what I'm taking from that comment. If someone is saying don't have a celebratory OP about all the kick ass things I would be on board with that thinking.
A ban of a game OT or sales threads doesn't mean these kind of critical threads get banned. People are not asking for banning of all the kinds of Hogwarts threads, including the critical ones. Just wanted to let you know that.
Don't forget the Hogwarts poll where the vast majority of users here said JKR's transphobic statements didn't affect their decision about the game, so there would likely be a lot of bigots trolling the topics and trying to silence critics in OTs.
Yeh I broke it down in an edit but was a little too late, and Messofanego covers it above.
It's also not as linear or analytical as 'make game sell less'. This is something that has a tangible impact on the lives of trans people and the arguments of not wanting to see the IP supported and given exposure here stand aside from any belief that we can somehow make a dent in the sales of the game. There's merit to it without judging it against that because it should come as no surprise that issues affecting a minority are often cared about by a minority of people.
There's a difference between uncritical threads about the game and its content, and a thread talking about a noteworthy issue around it like this. With Cyberpunk, the "we'll allow threads so that people can be made aware of the controversy" rule was vaguely understandable in theory, but in practice it was what let Black Chamber make his 60ish hype threads about it while technically obeying the rules. Because the lack of nuance to that rule allowed it to be taken advantage of. There was no reason that game needed full on OTs for pre-release streams, for example.
You can just allow for threads (or a thread, perhaps) about things like this (and maybe particularly consequential bullshit Rowling pulls?) without allowing for threads where people mindlessly discuss the game's latest trailer about gnome tossing mechanics or whatever. As others have already gotten into, the point of this isn't just like... "if we ban talking about the game, people won't be tempted to buy it" or something. It's more about the impact on the people using this site than it is about the game's sales. Personally, I have some specific thoughts on exactly what kind of post I'd love to see even well-intentioned people stop making, and on what I'd like to see statements from staff on to help bring that about, but it doesn't even need to be that nuanced for it to improve things.
And along those lines, let me tell you, in the announcement threads there were plenty of people talking about how they totally understood Rowling was bad but they still immediately absolutely need to buy it day 1 because x, y, z. Honestly, if anything what you're describing kinda goes against your own point - in a thread specifically about an issue around the game, you indeed saw much less of that kind of thing! Only allowing threads like this makes that kind of poster the outsider who's entering a situation with plenty of posts explaining why there are issues here. It allows for both a better conversation about the issue between people who already get that it's a problem and for a space where there's more people able to explain the problem to people who don't get it. Instead of forcing individual people to enter hype threads and explain what the problem is to a crowd that may not be willing to meaningfully engage with that idea, which even at best is an awkward burden to place on them, and can easily become far worse.
How do you know the game itself doesn't really have issues?
Based on everything so far, I'm expecting the first quest to go something like this:
1. A kid is sorted into a particular house.
2. They discover that they don't really want to belong to that house and try to change to another house
3. They then learn that they can't change to another house and are wrong for thinking that was possible. So they happily accept that the house they were assigned to was correct and apologise to everybody else.
As for this guy, he sounds like such a shitbag that you have to wonder how much involvement he has. Like he once delivered a coffee (already cold with the wrong amount of sugar) to a conference room, took out a whiteboard marker and corrected the punctuation on a sentence hastily scribbled up.
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You're not wrong at all and I was just being matter of fact, I meant the overt bullshit that Cyberpunk has, but Hogwarts could have sinister messages that are just more buried.
I can't believe people like this get jobs, it happens a lot on the Mexican videogames industry as well, a lot of terrible and despicable people get tons and tons of job opportunities and exposure, I'm sick of it
Thank you both very much. Amazing video and article.Marcelo Guimaraes It was also a proto alt right movement, almost like a rehearsal for the eventual campaign and movement that led to Trump becoming President.
Steve Bannon was the chairman of Breitbart News and eventual WH strategist/campaign strategist to Trump.
What Gamergate should have taught us about the 'alt-right'
The 2014 online hate-storm presaged the tactics of the Trump-loving far right movement. Prominent critics of the president elect should take note
Damn, I'm shocked that not only those GGs made for ruining the lives of women and set the tones for Trump's campaign but also the exact tactic that's used for alt right around the world and by Bolsonaro and his family in Brazil.
A good example is when Nando Moura - an alt right Brazilian youtuber - raged against the kiss scene of TLOU2 trailer saying things like it was sad the industry was forcing people to see this and even saying it was to indoctrinate children(in a +18 game that has guts leaking?).
Another example is the Human Rights, Family and Women Minister of the country that was getting crazy about the possibility of Elsa being lesbian.
The "protect our kids" is the general fallacy they use to attack LGBTQIA+ people here. They acuse gay people of being pedophiles and freak out whenever there's a gay kiss or gay character telling people it would confuse children and lead them to be abused. Bolsonaro invented that there was a "gay kit" that would teach children to make sex. It was actually just rant over sexual education and bullying and abuse prevention, but then anything turned out to be stretched by them as indoctrination or pornography, to the point the me saying on class that there was nothing wrong with two man kissing on a TV novel was seen as extreme and people would accuse you of being supportive of pedos. In fact, a common fake news that was around me that I ASSURE YOU 100% of the right wing(be them straight up fascists, liberals or conservatives) believes is that the LGBTQIA+ wants to in some capacity sexualize children or support pedophilia.
Another thing was the ghost of "gender ideology", another story invented by religious fanatics that didn't even read queer theory but just wanted to attack trans people, saying things such as there being a law to teach 4yo kids that they didn't have a gender and they could choose one, or this stupid transphobic fallacy that trans women would rape cis women in bathrooms and even more stuff. Anything that had a transgender person, any mention of transexuality, any use of neutral pronouns, any story of trans kids, any trans person having a spotlight would be attacked as being indoctrination of that "gender ideology".
The results?
Well, there's a fascist in the presidency, hate speech is free and any kind of punishment to bigotry is seen as censorship and SUPPORTED OFFICIALLY BY THE PRESIDENT, almost 250.000 deaths from covid, female murders and domestic abuse is at an all time high, police violence and genocide against black youth is higher than ever, and last year 175 trans women and travestis were murdered.
It's scary how things that many see as just frustrated incels talking shit on Twitter and 4Chan has actually set the tone for alt right campaigns, the rhetoric is used by presidents and impacts how people act in real life.
That's also why we can't stress enough that transphobia and people like JK should never be tolerated and misogyny of gamergaters is not just a thing to ignore.
Sadly, gamergate is more alive now than ever, and even it the tag is dead, it already accomplished its goals of even electing fascists and people who spread their lies and hate.
Don't forget the Hogwarts poll where the vast majority of users here said JKR's transphobic statements didn't affect their decision about the game, so there would likely be a lot of bigots trolling the topics and trying to silence critics in OTs.
This picture makes me want to jump out a window. So much for Era the woke board.
Mods can pin a non-replyable thread titled "Discussion of Hogwart's Legacy is banned due to extreme bigotry on part of its creators" and a laundry list of the shit Rowling and Leavitt have done in its body. Boom, problem solved, awareness achieved without the need for discussion.
A ban of a game OT or sales threads doesn't mean these kind of critical threads get banned. People are not asking for banning of all the kinds of Hogwarts threads, including the critical ones. Just wanted to let you know that.
Don't forget the Hogwarts poll where the vast majority of users here said JKR's transphobic statements didn't affect their decision about the game, so there would likely be a lot of bigots trolling the topics and trying to silence critics in OTs.
I remember that poll. And I would assume much like the cyberpunk one heavy moderation and potential bans would be possible.
At the same time if you're not going to have discussion about the game isn't this type of OP just signal boosting awful stuff? 2
Gotcha I didn't realize that was an option. Still fairly new.
It's signal boosting that the guy is a complete chud but not much else.
The general public is a bunch of people who will go "Cool Wizard Game", think that it'll allow them to revive the wonder of childhood, and gladly pay money for this. Those who do know about these individuals being involved with it will also, by and large, do the same. That's how the mediocre Fantastic Beasts movies keep getting made, after all.
"No ethical consumption" has become a thought terminating cliche for people who want to support a shitty thing, know it's shitty, and don't want to feel bad about it.
We didn't really had a big release/product from the franchise since JK reveal as a TERF. It's too soon to guess it's effects. WB is going to keep making the movies because money, if it's gonna be worth it...time will tell.
To me what is killing is that this argument is essentially just "I want to be ignorant and I want the government to have less power to do good things for people who suffer"
Yeah, I'm going to second the requests for a general ban on this game outside of the most important news pertaining to stuff like this.
I want to help educate people here. TransEra deserves everyone's support.
I thank you for sharing, and also second the calls for this post to be threadmarked.
Yes. Just because you can't deal with every injustice in the world doesn't mean you shouldn't try to deal with any injustice in the world.
Just boosting this so more people can see it.
See above.
I want to help educate people here. TransEra deserves everyone's support.
I'm sure there is at least one-ish person working on this game that isn't a completely shitheel. Maaaybe.
But fuck em. And fuck JK.
At first, all the transgender people on the team were uncomfortable to be working on it.
Now all the women, if they didn't know before, are going to be uncomfortable.
Will the official twitter start with some anti-Semitic stuff next month?
Now all the women, if they didn't know before, are going to be uncomfortable.
Will the official twitter start with some anti-Semitic stuff next month?
I'm not opposed to that if people find the information helpful. I also updated my post as it looks like Troy has changed his job title to senior producer so I spoke to that as well.
This will be a good test to see how many people will continue to bust a gut to defend this game.
50% is the number before you can boycott this guilt-free, everyone.
Like this.
50% is the number before you can boycott this guilt-free, everyone.
So the guy who makes videos talking about how women are ruining the game industry is a senior producer at a game studio managing women on his project.
What an amazing place Avalanche must be to work as a woman.
I was, for one, shocked at these poll results
A ban of a game OT or sales threads doesn't mean these kind of critical threads get banned. People are not asking for banning of all the kinds of Hogwarts threads, including the critical ones. Just wanted to let you know that.
Don't forget the Hogwarts poll where the vast majority of users here said JKR's transphobic statements didn't affect their decision about the game, so there would likely be a lot of bigots trolling the topics and trying to silence critics in OTs.
"There's 231 people working on this game? Well...only 115 of them are bad people. I guess that means I can still buy it! You've gotta round up, people!"
LMAO.