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Hogwarts Legacy senior producer Troy Leavitt, a game dev who used to make anti-feminist and pro gamer-gate videos (staff post added)(Up: Resigns)
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Unlikely, they seem like different types of awful people. But who knows!
The "hypocrite/no ethical consumption" kind of attitudes, perpetuate the idea of always doing nothing, and is trite, toxic, cynical, defeatist garbage, an active obstacle for betterment.
No one can ethically oppose everything perfectly, so trying to chastise people for not doing that is daft, shitty nonsense.
I have little respect for people who try to shit on people who attempt to help others in some capacity.
And there is always value to doing something. Certainly more than doing nothing.
If doing an ethical consumerism makes you a hypocrite then you should be a proud one.
This clown is already banned, but I just wanted to say.
"had to follow discussion on other forums"
-joined Feb 7, 2021
Is there really no way to detect alt accounts? Especially for a website that manually verifies all new members.
I was able to somewhat divorce the HP franchise from Rowling in my mind, while I would have conceded she would benefit from the proceeds of future content, I appreciate that as a franchise it's so loved and the universe has outgrown her to the extent that other people are working on it and want more of it...
But the last thing this game needed was someone so intimately attached to it having this kind of history.. maybe the game succeeds anyway, who knows, but imagine if it didn't have all this baggage.
But the last thing this game needed was someone so intimately attached to it having this kind of history.. maybe the game succeeds anyway, who knows, but imagine if it didn't have all this baggage.
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I don't know how much this will count for, and apologies in advance for, uh, backseat moderation or whatever this is considered as, but my two cents here is that talking about one single videogame should not ever trump the confort and wellbeing of our transgender members. There's hundreds of sites that people wanting to discuss the game can go; I'm sure it will have its own subreddit, discord, etc. This game should not have a place in Era, especially after the CP2077 thread debacle.
I understand it's a tougher choice for the mod team than it is to me to condemnt it, with potential future ramifications for the board, but every choice is a sacrifice and I think we as a community should start putting our actions where our mouths are.
This may be shocking but Era isn't the only place in the world where you can discuss videogames.
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I don't know how much this will count for, and apologies in advance for, uh, backseat moderation or whatever this is considered as, but my two cents here is that talking about one single videogame should not ever trump the confort and wellbeing of our transgender members. There's hundreds of sites that people wanting to discuss the game can go; I'm sure it will have its own subreddit, discord, etc. This game should not have a place in Era, especially after the CP2077 thread debacle.
I understand it's a tougher choice for the mod team than it is to me to condemnt it, with potential future ramifications for the board, but every choice is a sacrifice and I think we as a community should start putting our actions where our mouths are.
This may be shocking but Era isn't the only place in the world where you can discuss videogames.
I don't know how to word this in a non-confrontational manner, but the cold, hard truth is that you'll never be able to discuss the game with anyone that isn't fine with giving money to both a transphobe and a GG supporter to play a videogame. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to consider it's for the best if that discussion doesn't happen on Era anyway.
Not sure the "I don't want to discuss it among bigots" line holds up here relative to, say, Cyberpunk. In the latter instance there was content there that was bigoted and it was lapped up by an actively-bigoted crowd because it was harmful. Here the issue is less the content of the game and more helping to prop up adoration and respect for a franchise whose fame and renown is being used to turn public and political perception against the trans community. Not just in terms of game discourse but in terms of real, detrimental effects in real life.
I'm sure you could go to Reddit to discuss the game without people being actively bigoted alongside you. The fear can't be that anyone who plays the game is bigoted because, well, you're looking to discuss it while playing it lol. So it kind of falls apart. It just comes off as a cheap parroted line learned from defences for why CDPR content was allowed. The two aren't comparable in material or consequence.
I'm sure you could go to Reddit to discuss the game without people being actively bigoted alongside you. The fear can't be that anyone who plays the game is bigoted because, well, you're looking to discuss it while playing it lol. So it kind of falls apart. It just comes off as a cheap parroted line learned from defences for why CDPR content was allowed. The two aren't comparable in material or consequence.
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I pretty much draw a line where shitty people like this are in positions of management or writing of game development. I bet his worldview will permeate this game just like Kingdom Come.
That appropriation and Shapiro video gave me enough of impression of how immoral this guy is.
[edit] I'll take part of my statement back. His points in the Shapiro video are mostly ok.
That appropriation and Shapiro video gave me enough of impression of how immoral this guy is.
[edit] I'll take part of my statement back. His points in the Shapiro video are mostly ok.
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If with bigots is the only way to discuss a certain game then maybe you should wonder why you want to discuss that game.
Of course the game will succeed. It's got a HP logo on the front, so it'll sell a zillion copies.
Not that it should, but it undoubtedly will.
By allowing people to ignore and gloss over the fact that this game is made by bigots, you are giving the game good press and thus are aiding in lining the pockets of bigots.
It's the paradox of tolerance.
Look at the views and like/dislike ratio on the reveal trailer
Hell just read any comment section and notice nobody bringing it up, the JK stuff means absolutely nothing to 99% of the potential audience or most of them don't even know
The general public (not Twitter), at least from what I've seen, aren't paying attention to any of this at all. This reveal might draw enough attention to get the dude fired, and it should, but it's not even like Cyberpunk where it's shitty gamers leaning into the transphobia. The people who want this game haven't registered anything beyond "oh I heard JK said some controversial stuff"
this is why I said I don't call myself a gamer out loud because people around me associate gamer with this.Suddenly I don't feel okay with being a gamer
But if asked if I play video games... it's apparently different? Idk, my socials are probably a bit weird.
Youtube isn't really a barometer of much. Trump speeches from the White House account showed overwhelming like/dislike ratios in favour. Conversely Contrapoints' video on Rowling is, unsurprisingly, overwhelmingly liked.
It's also getting a little tiring having people perpetually reduce this down to it either being about here or Twitter. The conversation around Rowling is more pervasive. The annual ILGA-Europe review dropped the United Kingdom several points this past year and directly cited Rowling's attacks as a catalyst for growing danger for the trans community in the UK. A school removed Churchill and Rowling from its house names after students led a complaint around their discomfort over them. Every major newspaper has covered the stories on her and there has been significant public discussion around it. This should all be obvious from the absolute damage she has managed to cause. If it was just Twitter rumblings there wouldn't be the real-life impact that continues as we speak.
I'm not talking about the JK situation as a whole or trying to downplay the impact it's having as a whole. I'm talking specifically in regards to the game audience. That kind of Harry Potter fan or gaming fan is likely to be either indifferent or ignorant.
This whole boycotting thing would be much harder if we lost anything of value.-CDPR
-Ubisoft
-Harry Potter
Pretty incredible and damning for WB that they'd hire this guy in 2018 when he had already outed himself as a far right and pro-GG lunatic. The evidence wouldn't have been hard to find at all.
What does this say about WB games as a company and their values?
What does this say about WB games as a company and their values?
Maybe this should be threadmarked, if Belmont is alright with that.
Can't exactly act surprised and was already boycotting. Nice to have another confirmation that I'm making the right call though.
Ah, yes. Coleman Hughes. The man who doesn't identify as black unless it's time from him to talk down to black people on the behalf of anti-black racists. Was fun watching him get booed at that reparations hearing a while back.
Ah, yes. Coleman Hughes. The man who doesn't identify as black unless it's time from him to talk down to black people on the behalf of anti-black racists. Was fun watching him get booed at that reparations hearing a while back.
Huh? If not here where is another forum i can discuss games? Reddit is a mess to look at and not going to the old place.
What a disaster of a game. I'm also not sure how a person gets hired and/or promoted to such a position with such publicly awful output.
Spot on. Also done to make themselves feel better at the end of the day and justify a usually shitty thing.
Spot on. Also done to make themselves feel better at the end of the day and justify a usually shitty thing.
+ with the suggestion that the game should be banned over here.
I don't give a damn if people want to discuss it. Trans Era are way more important than a toy like this that is supporting a shit bag TERF. Let alone that it's lead designer is such a disgusting hateful idiot.
This game isn't important. Infact, I consider it trash.
If people want to discuss it then go somewhere else.
I don't give a damn if people want to discuss it. Trans Era are way more important than a toy like this that is supporting a shit bag TERF. Let alone that it's lead designer is such a disgusting hateful idiot.
This game isn't important. Infact, I consider it trash.
If people want to discuss it then go somewhere else.
Not sure if your purposely not getting what I said so I will say it more clearly. Era should ban talk of this game and franchise made by a bigot and now clearly worked on by more bigots. If you are not ok with that perhaps you should self reflect why talking about a game matters more then the communities it hurts.
I mean if you really want to talk about the game you could always go to gamefaqs. They've got a forum like structure.
I'm sorry, it might have sounded like I was criticizing you, but I respect you and your stance. When I was writing my reply, I was angry at some dismissive replies here, and I read your reply and thought "nah, I personally am tired of trying to be understanding of and compassionate towards bigotry-enablers". So that was just me venting.