Spanish is my native language and it's weird AF.
Again, whoever else who wants to use it is fine by me.
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Spanish is my native language and it's weird AF.
Again, whoever else who wants to use it is fine by me.
Like I said, I'm not here to convince you. Let's just agree to disagree. No need to be aggressive about this. As you've said, the debate is very much recent, and I just believe that it makes sense to define Latinx as a race. You're free to believe it's just an ethnicity. And I understand why you do.
Only because we're writing in English here. And I disagree it's only Spanish language. Sure, it's part of it. But I'm Brazilian, and the Latinx community includes people from all Latin American countries.
Sure, we can agree that "some" makes more sense. However, I've seen non-binary people embracing the term "Latinx" more often, as it's easier to speak than "Latin@." Maybe some have used it to punch down, but I'm part of various Latinx groups that use it in a very positive way. I think the tide is changing on that.
I know it's patriarchal, but hasn't "Latino" been used as the catch all term since like forever?
We could use that or Latin
We could use that or Latin
I suppose this is a difference of conception then because I would treat neutral or non-binary as just different parts of the spectrum. No one says you need to be at a single point.
Doesn't Latino (when used as a racial identifier) indicate native ancestry in the family tree?
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Subset of Latinos I believe. Chicano is specifically Mexican-American (or American-Mexican if you prefer).
As an aside, I just wanted to say thanks to Boiled Goose and RobertoSAGuedes for jumping in with aggressive, but fair, questioning. Lively debate is much more interesting than people trying to yell over each other. Appreciate the differing PoVs.
Yeah I agree. People are going to use what makes them happy and you can't stop the evolution of language.
It may be a lost cause, but I will do whatever I can to stop the California proliferation of "hella" as a valid word.
That's not evolution, that's devolution. :P
do spanish people call themselves hispanic? don't remember ever hearing that. as a european that has always felt like an america thing.
He identifies as Peruvian and Peruvians are latinos based on the definition of being part of Latin America.
So how would you describe the latin "race" then? Can a black person be latino? What about a pure indigenous person like a quechua or aymara or pure European/white person? Latin America is EXTREMELY diverse.
Sorry that my message sounded aggressive. Not my intention. Unfortunately one of the things that sucks about text-based communication, and it's super challenging to make sure it doesn't sound that way.
I've recently embraced myself as part of the Latinx community, facing all the struggles we have to deal with on a daily basis. I think it's important that the community unifies and supports each other towards overcoming our obstacles, which is why I'm part of various groups.
It's definitely an extremely diverse area, and I think that's one of our strengths - not a weakness. We have to be careful to not say we're homogeneous. But as far as your question about a black person being Latinx, that can definitely happen. The term Afro-Latinx has been starting to be embraced by certain members of the community that identify with it. Like I said in an earlier post, it's a very recent discussion, and I'm sure there's much that can change, and much that we can still learn from.
Again, it goes back to the definition. If you are using Latino as a substitute for Latin America, then yes, anyone who lives in Latin America is Latino. Would they lose that definition when they move to North America?
If you use Latino to mean someone descended from indigenous people, then it depends on familial relations.
Different groups define the term in different ways which makes it difficult to say any one way is "RIGHT."
Let's start with the basics. How would you define ethnicity? How does someone gain an ethnicity? How does someone lose an ethnicity? How does that differ from nationality?
Why the hell do humans have so many terms to try and classify other humans?
Just wanted to come in and say that people do use LatinX within the community. Really don't know why people are getting upset or claiming otherwise.
Ok , voy a ver si lo consigo :p
Found it: https://www.resetera.com/threads/spanish-speaking-thread.101757/
Never heard such a term, at least here in NYC. Just the usual hispanic or Latino or caribeño same ol shit.
Españoles, argentinians, etc are Europeans in my eyes and that's how they see themselves.
Españoles, argentinians, etc are Europeans in my eyes and that's how they see themselves.
I will never understand using -x for gender neutral words in Spanish. Looks stupid, reads stupid. Changing the final sound of a word from vowel to consonant is kinda dumb when you could just use -e (amigue, latine, etc.) to achieve gender inclusiveness.
Using -x sounds like something someone who doesn't speak Spanish as first language would come up with.
Using -x sounds like something someone who doesn't speak Spanish as first language would come up with.
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I prefer to say that I'm Mexican. We all have different cultures, dialects, etc. You wouldn't lump Indian and Pakistani people together just because they are next to each other.
Well it's already been done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
It was to separate them from "East Asia".
I identify as male. Call me a latino. Don't tell me what to call myself.
You're thinking Ispano.If I recall correctly, Escaflowne was built by the Hispano.
No lies detected. Takes some balls for the most racist nation on Earth, birth place of Trump, to police a language you cant even understand.
But if you insist on using that garbage word, x in Spanish is pronounced equis. So the least you could do is say/write it as latinequis.
Hispanic is an american term, ive NEVER heard it in my life here in Peru or in any south american country i have visited.
Latino is never used to describe oneself, only when speaking as a collective of different cultures that share a continent and similar struggles.
For example, i would describe myself as Peruvian, the only context i would call us Latin@s(this is actually the term ive seen people use since the early 2000s for writing) is maybe when talking about football teams or when describing a characteristic of one country in relation to others (for example "Bolivia tiene el mayor porcentaje de amerindios como parte de su poblacion de todos los paises latinos").
Latino is never used to describe oneself, only when speaking as a collective of different cultures that share a continent and similar struggles.
For example, i would describe myself as Peruvian, the only context i would call us Latin@s(this is actually the term ive seen people use since the early 2000s for writing) is maybe when talking about football teams or when describing a characteristic of one country in relation to others (for example "Bolivia tiene el mayor porcentaje de amerindios como parte de su poblacion de todos los paises latinos").
Are you serious lol
x is pronounced [ks]. Do you say 'Hoy tengo un e-equis-amen de matemáticas?'
The Guyanese, Surinamese and French Guyanese are not latino! Latino's descended from countries with where they speak a language with a primarily latin root (Spanish AND Portugese).
Edit: oops, you said "Latin America" instead of "South America". Still your argument is invalid, since the Latin in Latin America is based on language (both Spanish and Portugese) and thus language does matter...
¿No tenemos terminaciones femenina y masculina plara evitar estas cosas? Latino o latina según sea el caso, no es tan complicado.
French is also a Latin language. But that's why the definition of Latin America is blurry.
Guyana and Suriname definitely don't count though since they speak English and Dutch.
I think it's because some groups are mixed-sex so using latinx instead of latinos is supposed to acknowledge this fact.
As far as I know, the plural forms for all group pronouns in Romantic languages are the same as the male group pronoun.
it is an attempt to "ungnderifiy" gendered language, or gender-neutralize it.
100% de acuerdo. I'm in one of the most liberal places in the US and even here I have to deal with ignorant people who don't know Puerto Rico is a part of the US or that we're American citizens.
We can't agree to disagree when your position makes no logical sense. I just outlined how it's fundamentally non sensical and you didn't bother to address the issues I brought up
Belief is not an argument.
The desire from white supremacists to racialize Hispanics is recent, but the obvious logical flaws are time agnostic.
Male as default for plural is problematic.
Exclusion of gender non confirming people is problematic.
Yes. It's more complicated. That's not a good enough excuse imo.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yo tenia un jefe que decia el "equisbox" y siempre me ha dado demasiada risa