because it's insane and against all evidence
the only other people ive seen push it are crazy alt right trolls
so if you wanna say 'yeah I think they're onto something there' go be my guest
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the only other people ive seen push it are crazy alt right trolls
so if you wanna say 'yeah I think they're onto something there' go be my guest
it's not just about supporting who is thenom. The nom represents the WHOLE parties platform. You all really get all wrapped up in who is president and notabout wtf the party is running on. Look at what they ran on after the convention here And please understand that party unity is more than just who is president.
Having party unity is crucial not only for president but also down ticket so anything at all depressing votes like slow endorsements hurts the whole party.
you tell me how neo-lib this party plan was in 2016. Whichim sure very few people actually read. When voting for president you are voting for the parties platform not the personality behind it.
Because saying Hillary Clinton is still going to run for President now is like saying Goku will be in Smash. It's not going to happen, and you know it.
My big takeaway from this is that I'm really looking forward to seeing what Democrats like her and Obama will have to say about "party unity" when Bernie gets the nomination.
"Speaking eloquently" is a worthless currency.
She would've been a disastrous President, and potentially worse than Trump in matters like foreign affairs.
"Speaking eloquently" is a worthless currency.
Hillary would've been a good president, but she completely dropped the ball on campaigning. She has no one to blame but herself (and I guess Russia).
You're saying this partly because of how Obama handled foreign affairs, correct?
lol. Oh, God. Fuck no. Not like it matters, but I don't even see how she could. You could pick any poster in this thread (myself included) who could probably be a more qualified president than this guy.
The words don't matter when the majority of the party is at the whim of the rich. The Democratic party still represents the rich. If it didn't, it wouldn't be a neoliberal party.
This ain't it chief. Nothing says she would have been exemplary, or even good. But cmon now.... Lets keep it real.
Bolded doesn't get said enough around here. You're absolutely right. The foreign policy of that wing of the party is just trash.
No. Just no. And this is coming from someone who doesn't care for Hillary Clinton. I don't like her. I voted for her, but I don't care for her at all, and this opinion right here still blew my mind. wtf.
Clinton would not have put children in concentration camps, where they're being traumatized and abused by the thousands. She wouldn't have betrayed the Kurds and left them to slaughter just to suck up to Erdogan and Putin.
I don't know if these ideas are just bubbling up naturally from mineral spring in your mind or if you're absorbing them from elsewhere. If so, please switch up your media diet. Something is really wrong here.
People forget about Honduras, Haiti, and Libya. She also voted for the Iraq War.
Doesnt get said because its absolute madness. ABSOLUTE madness. You have clearly lost the plot if you are claiming Trump and the right wings foreign policy is better than the Democrats in this country. That entire statement is nonsense.
You know what? This take is sizzling, but deceptively incisive. Trump's foreign policy is an unmitigated trainwreck, but long term Hillary's veneer of respectability would have prolonged the post-Iraq status quo of drone-based interventionism that treats brown life abroad as utterly disposable. Trump's sheer ignorance and brutality has ripped apart that veneer, and the US's soft power has tremendously diminished as well. As a consequence, foreign policy has to prioritize presenting an ethical face globally-- and with the degradation of the intelligence apparatus, the ability of the states to engage in narrative control is diminished. It's entirely possible Trump, through his sheer incompetence, may sunset the American imperialist project.
Why are you making me defend Hillary Clinton? Why would you do this to me?
I mean, it's cute to be appalled by my assertion because Trump is the one in power, but history proves that Hillary would've also supported the coups in Venezuela and Bolivia, and she would've also acted beat by beat the same way towards Saudi Arabia. She probably would've skipped the Jerusalem embassy debacle, but she would've still supported Israel at every turn just like him.
Iran, on the other hand... I wouldn't have wanted to see how she'd deal with that.
As a non-American who watched what the Clintons do abroad while in power with great personal interest, I stand by what I said.
Nothing disingenuous about it. Your reframing of it is what's disingenuous, but I'm assuming you know that.
and what about our current president who is collapsing our relationships with our most key allies all the while cozying up to dictators? Clinton absolutely would have had to make difficult stances across the countries you memotioned but also wouldn't have undermined our credibility across the global powers of Germany, France, Britain, Japan, and Canada.
Your take is a shitty one.
Trump just ramped up an Obama era policy. His invention was the family separation. She absolutely would have put children in concentration camps.
That clip was really good, OP.
I think of those 3 million votes, and of the children locked in literal cages at the border, and it hurts.
I think of those 3 million votes, and of the children locked in literal cages at the border, and it hurts.
Yeah, we'd so trade Trump cozying up to dictators and strongmen, hiring conservative eschatologists who actively want to start world war three in the middle east over her. Got it. As someone who lived abroad during the Clinton years, too, I disagree vehemently.
Bernie should have taken the ferry out to Martha's Vineyard a few times to help drum up support from her base.
What? You think Hillary would have put children in cages with the Fox News crowd and progressive Democrats both more than likely crucifying her for it?
Seriously, the hate that Hillary gets for stuff she didn't do or wouldn't ever do is really astounding.
Russia, Khashoggi, Families ripped apart and dead bodies beside their parents floating at the border, escalating tensions with allies and being a general fucking POS......
But thank god for Trump, we could have had a Democrat in the House. Now THAT would have been horrifying for our foreign relations?
Nah, I'mma head out
I know this woman makes some people irrationally angry but I'm not here for this.
But thank god for Trump, we could have had a Democrat in the House. Now THAT would have been horrifying for our foreign relations?
Nah, I'mma head out
I know this woman makes some people irrationally angry but I'm not here for this.
Bill Clinton sold Turkey weapons that were specifically used to murder tens of thousands of Kurds during his presidency. The US has betrayed and will continue to betray the Kurds unless someone revolutionizes the country's foreign policy and focus. Hillary was not going to be the one to do that.
You're right about concentration camps.
Save the patronizing tone, though, please.
The maintenance of the US' overwhelming soft power amongst NATO allies is really not a concern I share with you. That seems like a big difference of perspective you should account for.
Would she have straight-up abandoned allies like the Kurds in the Middle East to appease the wants of a dictator? Would she have sustained a policy of detaining people at the border and separating kids from their parents?
She would not have been perfect but she wouldn't be close to Trump's level of ineptitude and thoughtlessness when it comes to foreign policy.
She also wouldn't have strip-mined the state department of all knowledgeable staff/ambassadors or used them to influence US elections/primaries through foreign intermediaries.
The damage Trump has done won't be immediate. It will be a long, slow recovery in terms of staffing, relations, and policy even if the left obtains and retains power for an extended period of time.
This is a JOKE right?
Worse than Trump?
The guy who buddies up with, and defends, dictators? Such as Un, because he's "nice" to Trump?
The guy who fucks up relations with literally all of our allies?
The guy who is Putin's puppet?
Stop visiting right wing websites lol
A free Kurdistan in Northern Syria was a pretty open FP goal from Obama and I think it's silly to pretend HRC would have signed off on wholesale destruction given how much it has empowered our contemporary global enemies and ESPECIALLY because all of the heavy lifting had already been done to get there.
Whoa, I've gotta check this out.
I dunno, the president who's currently being impeached for bribing a foreign government to sling mud at a political rival seems pretty solid on foreign policy to me. He's a laughing stock among foreign leaders because they're all jealous of his efficacy, surely.
Yupper! The one thing I can say about Hillary Clinton is that even now I think she would handle the office better than anyone in the current democratic field. Not that I agree with her on policy but I don't agree with most with a chance at holding that office. I must be getting old, I'm advocating for Hillary Clinton.
This is a common leftist position actually. I don't know any leftists who like Hillary Clinton, sorry.
Yeah he is, his leftist and anti imperalist politics.
I think instead of eating food to sustain herself she must be this weird alien species that gets nutrition out of not ever taking any blame for any single fucking thing ever.
She should have taken the hint when she made an absolute public fool of herself in 2016. There is literally nothing meaningful or worthwhile or good to be taken from anything she has to say at this point. Go the fuck away Hillary, and stay away.
She would have been a solid president. Too bad politics is largely a popularity contest judged on qualities that have little to nothing to do with how good a candidate would be at their job.
He means disastrous for the rest of the planet. Trump mostly hurts america by distancing it from its allies and trading partners. It's not insane to argue that the resulting weakening of american influence that came from the Trump presidency was less bad than a continuation of existing pre-2016 policy. Trumps consistent undermining of American interests abroad is more of a feature than a bug for the people who often find themselves under Americas boot.
Or not even under America's boot, but who want to rise in her place.
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