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xenocide

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Right, you mentioned it. I used the rest of my post to explain why it's hard to believe that you care about it?

You not giving a shit is probably why you can't see the difference in context behind Bernie's vote and the others who still support *all* of the legislation to this day design when they intentionally designed the issue Bernie pointed out with it.

But anyway. I'm not going to play any more. You can't cry I'm not being nuanced then ignore blatant context. It's not a fun game. Especially when the mod in here's supporting you on in other comments despite you doing it.

I guess the Crime Bill being both good and bad with no way whatsoever to change that or be critical of how it was made to be that way is the official stance.

Well since we don't have a time machine and it was signed 26 years ago, there's not much good in debating decoupling elements of it after the fact. As I said, I greatly dislike that bill for the elements that crippled black communities for an entire generation—likely multiple generations. I'm just not so naive as to say somehow Sanders holding up his nose and voting for it despite knowing it would cause irreparable harm is somehow noble.

The reality is, Congress has had those 26 years to make sweeping changes and have failed to do so. They shoulder that blame and should be judged accordingly. We need effective and transformational criminal justice reform, and it needs to be done in a way that helps revitalize the communities bills like the 94 Crime Bill devastated. Unfortunately despite it being a clear failure, we haven't seen any major legislation to undo the horrible effects of the bill. Hipefully 2021 will be the year we see a new Crime Bill that unfucks the criminal justice system.
 

mescalineeyes

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You wouldn't be the first one on Poli-Era who argued in good faith and got a warning or temporary ban for trolling, I can assure you that.

The discussion culture here is deeply poisoned by that whole "you're either with us / for my left candidate or you just must be an alt-right troll, there's no other explanation!" attitude of some people. Which wouldn't be an issue if mods didn't follow their lead...

Exchanging political views here on Era used to make fun, but these days if your a centrist or want a centrist to win the nomination, you're basically the devil incarnate.
how is this your takeaway?

she was asked

IF BERNIE SANDERS IS THE NOMINEE WILL YOU SUPPORT HIM

she REFUSED TO ANSWER in the affirmative

this has nothing to do with what you said or are complaining about. what the fuck

trying to distort that statement is not arguing in good faith, this is actual gaslighting.
 
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Meanwhile SCOTUS just denied to hear the Obamacare case until after the election. So Trump will kick millions off after he wins. But Democrats will spend their week relitigating 2016 primary.

We lose 2020, progressive reform is dead for the next 30 years. But Democrats don't give a shit about the courts.
 

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You wouldn't be the first one on Poli-Era who argued in good faith and got a warning or temporary ban for trolling, I can assure you that (and yes, I know you're a mod...).

The discussion culture here is deeply poisoned by that whole "you're either with us / for my left candidate or you just must be an alt-right troll, there's no other explanation!" attitude of some people. Which wouldn't be an issue if mods didn't follow their lead...

Exchanging political views here on Era used to make fun, but these days if your a centrist or want a centrist to win the nomination, you're basically the devil incarnate and treated accordingly.

And I'm not even a centrist, Bernie and Warren are my preferred choices.
 

Davilmar

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One specifically cites Sanders and the other does not. The headlines would be "Clinton says she would endorse Sanders if he's the Democratic Nominee." That's a world of a difference from "Clinton says she will endorse eventual Democratic Nominee."

Again, why didn't Hillary just say "I will endorse whichever candidate gets the nomination." I refuse to believe that a Yale educated lawyer, First Lady, U.S. Senator, and god damned diplomat as Secretary of State would not know how to answer a question. You answer the question you wish they asked of you, not the question they actually did ask you. Her answer was deliberate and intentional. She has no problem giving standard and vague answers before, but she gives a pointed response here? I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the motives people here have suggested to justify her response.
 

Bitch Pudding

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We do not allow the use of ableist slurs, even if they're censored.
And I'm not even a centrist, Bernie and Warren are my preferred choices.

I support Biden for a single reason: I think he has the best chances of getting that r****** out of office. That said, my sympathies are with Warren. But not Bernie.
 

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That's what a centrist would say

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Again, why didn't Hillary just say "I will endorse whichever candidate gets the nomination." I refuse to believe that a Yale educated lawyer, First Lady, U.S. Senator, and god damned diplomat as Secretary of State would not know how to answer a question. You answer the question you wish they asked of you, not the question they actually did ask you. Her answer was deliberate and intentional. She has no problem giving standard and vague answers before, but she gives a pointed response here? I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the motives people here have suggested to justify her response.
Also not supporting Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee is bad too! If that headline would make you upset with Hillary, you probably need to rethink things!
 

Jogi

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i legit don't understand how Bernie is absolutely loved by a ton of people, yet hated by those in his party so much. Is it because he is one of the few actually full on progressives or what? He seems to be a career politician because he's not only fighting vs the Republicans but his own party as well.
 

LBsquared

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how is this your takeaway?

she was asked

IF BERNIE SANDERS IS THE NOMINEE WILL YOU SUPPORT HIM

she REFUSED TO ANSWER in the affirmative

this has nothing to do with what you said or are complaining about. what the fuck
Her refusal to answer reminded me immediately of the DCCC rep a week or two ago who was asked on CNN repeatedly a yes/no question about AOC's fundraising prowess being a good thing for the caucus. She refused to answer it every time, which befuddled the interviewer.

 

Sheev

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Oct 25, 2017
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Clinton's a racist TERF who was friends with multiple sexual predators. The amount I care about her opinion or anything she says couldn't be any lower.

And I don't care if you're not a fan of whoever gets the Dem nom. You Americans better vote for them and do everything in your power to back them against Trump.
 

zoltek

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This is rich considering she choked away the last two elections she was supposed to win.
 
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Something, Something, unity.

We're seeing the truth of how highly they really valued those words. I don't regret my vote for her over Trump, but I am relieved I won't ever be forced to swallow the pill again. In any case, I'd rather not focus on her anymore when her career as a major politician is over

Sadly too many people are going to take the bait and not question the timing of this just like the Warren debacle.
 

datbapple

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Mitt Romney held a press conference during the 2016 primary (that he was not running in) imploring Republicans to vote for ANYBODY other than Trump. Hillary was asked a question.
Mitt Romney then went and slobbed all over Trumps knob to angle for Sec of State.
Per your quote above, Mittens did more than Hilary as far as trying to tamp down the likelihood of a Trump nomination. Hillary and her team signal boosted him during the primaries.
 

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i legit don't understand how Bernie is absolutely loved by a ton of people, yet hated by those in his party so much. Is it because he is one of the few actually full on progressives or what? He seems to be a career politician because he's not only fighting vs the Republicans but his own party as well.

Centrist dems (pretty much all elected dems right now) are committed to capitalism and are bankrolled by corporations and billionaires. Bernie isnt and his goals conflict with theirs.
 

Snowy

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Fuck you, Hillary Clinton, well and truly. You "got more done" in absolutely fucking up the country and culture with neoliberal technocratic horseshit, yet you have the gall to attack the one guy who spoke up for the virtues of socialism in the face of soulless triangulators like yourself.
 

GYODX

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bernie's faults: Doesn't speak to people of color.

Hilary's virtues: Speaks to transwomen, to tell them they're not real women.

I wonder what the PoliERA reaction would be if AOC made some statements of her own spitting truth about Hilary being a TERF.
 

Jogi

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Centrist dems (pretty much all elected dems right now) are committed to capitalism and are bankrolled by corporations and billionaires. Bernie isnt and his goals conflict with theirs.
Straight to the point and what I was sort of thinking. Thanks!
 

DiceHands

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Oct 27, 2017
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jfc with this infighting. its so ridiculous. shut the hell up before you give us another 4 years of trump.
 

Dekim

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So, all these years of the drumbeat of "untiy. untiy. unity" and "vote blue no matter who" was a farce?
 
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