I honestly hope the secret extra cour rumors are true.
I think the fact that Passione has already moved on to another project next season is pretty strong evidence against it. I'll be happy to be surprised but I'm going into the next two weeks expecting things to wrap up.
Shame on those of us who thought R07 still gave a shit about these characters beyond coming up with nonsense saying they are somehow actually some character from a different story of his.My favorite part is that people write tl;dr about Satoko's issues but in the end the anime really frames it about her hating study lol
I would hope so. It's still Higurashi after all.Oh by the way, Satoko is totally getting away with everything next episode.
Maybe the Teppei redemption stuff might end up sticking in the end at least.So basically Sotsu is just gonna be a 2 episode epilogue to Gou isn't it
Thing is why bother? Unineko is long finished and Ciconia only has one episode with the second nowhere in sightSo let me get this straight, they butchered Higurashi's canon as a way to advertise the new VN and Umineko?
This feels really frustrating. Some thing should be left well alone. So fucking dumb.
So let me get this straight, they butchered Higurashi's canon as a way to advertise the new VN and Umineko?
I am not sure but I said the same when I heard of this "remake" then saw it is a sequel that undoes the story of the first series.Thing is why bother? Unineko is long finished and Ciconia only has one episode with the second nowhere in sight
True but maybe they would connect it next episode.I think if the intention were advertising we'd get more direct name and visual connections. Two random "Vier" namedrops with no further context and some lines from Umineko you'd only recognize if you read Umineko in the first place won't really advertise those series in a major way. I think this is more about his views of some characters changing while writing those other stories and that ends up reflected in Higurashi itself when going back to it.
Sigh so we are getting even more stuff...Huh. I got my wish apparently. Although not in anime form. The Higurashi Gou manga's sequel will be called Higurashi Jun, following a different route wtih different answers from the ones given by Sotsu. The set up at the end of the last chapter of Gou seems to suggest it's going to focus on Rika vs Satoko(Rika just got the memory upgrade and Onigari no Ryuou talk, so Satoko doesn't seem to know she remembers being killed by her in the classroom).
I think those miko outfits pretty much killed any chances of direct references to Bern/Lambda aside from the kind of indirect ones we've already seen (Like how Satoko in this episode is revealed to have dropped her usual speech mannerisms, only keeping them as a mask, which eliminates another one of her differences from Lambda, meanwhile Rika at the end of the episode had that talk about creating a new universe with Satoko which was similar to some of Bern's lines to Lambda in ep8, not to mention both just constantly appearing in different fragments without even dying after a certain point).If they don't go full Umineko next episode then damn lol. With everyone watching Gou and saying WHOOOOOAA THIS IS GONNA BRIDGE HIGURASHI AND UMINEKO, I actually read Umineko during the seasonal break between Gou and Sotsu because I was really into Gou and wanted to get the full context for what would unravel in Sotsu. If we don't even see them directly become Bern and Lambda then that's a bit of a bummer. Still I can appreciate Gou and Sotsu for getting me to read Umineko because that was a fucking amazing read.
Still can't get over the oil. Ugh. Satoko has done things to Rika far worse than Takano ever did, or any of the other friends did even when they were L5 of a deadly syndrome ffs.
And she's gonna get away with all of it next episode. All of it!
Meakashi Shion ended up dead though. It's not like she led a happy life afterwards. On the other hand, this episode even had Satoko shouting about how she loves her power. The show this time seems to be asking the viewers to just accept them like this. At the end of the episode, Satoko smiles and weakens in the race to the sword after Rika says she'd get rid of everything else for Satoko too, meanwhile Rika never held the deaths Satoko caused against her, just complained about getting dragged back to Hinamizawa.It's not like Shion ever did anything to redeem herself in Meakashi, she just made better choices the next time and we don't worry about it. It's a story about second chances, not redemption.
"Satoko" is not L5 and did arguably the worst stuff so far over the pettiest shit. The only defense is that Satoko died and this "Satoko" is just a rabid dog that needs to be put down. But I can already see them flying off giggling as witches in the final episode, sigh.The fact that Rika's reaction to the reveal was basically "you need to knock this shit off and learn to study!" was not what I expected but I've decided it just boils down to "it's a looper thing, you wouldn't understand." For loopers desensitized to death these grisly murders are basically childish pranks and this whole story amounts to little more than a tiff between friends told in the most over the top way possible. The extremity of the violence and action onscreen contrasted with the pettiness of their arguing was kind of hilarious. As far as getting away with it goes, I think even the OG series pretty much expects us to adopt Satoko's attitude about past fragments and be content as long as the kids can work things out and make better decisions in the final world. It's not like Shion ever did anything to redeem herself in Meakashi, she just made better choices the next time and we don't worry about it. It's a story about second chances, not redemption.
And that sucks, is the thing. It's so backward. Original Higurashi never treats grisly murders as childish pranks, not once. Rika continues to be traumatized by the violence she encounters right up to the very end. 100 years of murder were enough to get her to stop reacting with terrified horror, but she never stops being upset and heartbroken about it. Every death is a tragedy in Higurashi; most of them are a joke in Gou/Sotsu.The fact that Rika's reaction to the reveal was basically "you need to knock this shit off and learn to study!" was not what I expected but I've decided it just boils down to "it's a looper thing, you wouldn't understand." For loopers desensitized to death these grisly murders are basically childish pranks and this whole story amounts to little more than a tiff between friends told in the most over the top way possible.
Meakashi Shion ended up dead though. It's not like she led a happy life afterwards. On the other hand, this episode even had Satoko shouting about how she loves her power. The show this time seems to be asking the viewers to just accept them like this. At the end of the episode, Satoko smiles and weakens in the race to the sword after Rika says she'd get rid of everything else for Satoko too, meanwhile Rika never held the deaths Satoko caused against her, just complained about getting dragged back to Hinamizawa.
Just last week we had Hanyuu talking about how giving Rika and Satoko powers was a sin, but I'm getting the impression the show now wants the viewers to go along with the loopers and their weird sense of morality.
And that sucks, is the thing. It's so backward. Original Higurashi never treats grisly murders as childish pranks, not once. Rika continues to be traumatized by the violence she encounters right up to the very end. 100 years of murder were enough to get her to stop reacting with terrified horror, but she never stops being upset and heartbroken about it. Every death is a tragedy in Higurashi; most of them are a joke in Gou/Sotsu.
Not to mention, of course, that even if we wanted to do the "murder's just a fun prank, it's all a game" thing, we've already played that character-story out much more richly in Umineko! Except in that novel it's treated as, y'know, a major flaw for the characters who think that way -- something they grow out of as they develop, not into like Satoko has. Plus the whole fact that the Seacats characters have much less ridiculous reasons for being the way they are... As opposed to "math is hard tho".
...Y'know, I think a big part of why the magic stuff in Gou/Sotsu bugs me so much is because it's such a huge step back in that way. Umineko actually gives the whole "magic changes your values" concept the proper time to be worked through (it's basically the entire arc of chapter 3, and continues to matter until the very end of Chiru), and then after spending that effort, it still ultimately grounds its morality firmly in the realm of humans. Any and every "connection" between Gou/Sotsu and Umineko falls flat on its face before ever leaving the starting line just from the fact that their conceptions of magic are so hugely, painfully incompatible -- ie, Umineko magic means something thematically, where in Gou it means nothing in any sense or capacity.
The point is that Rika rejected losing her humanity back in Minagoroshi, rejecting the idea of being a "witch" (and then it happened again in Saikoroshi), while now Satoko and Rika are seemingly just embracing it. The show is apparently portraying it as a happy bonding moment in spite of even Sotsu itself beforehand showing it as a tragedy when Satoko went full witch. It seems like the ending we're heading towards will go with them being witches and that being just fine rather than some tragedy where they lose everyone/everything. Maybe they will just return to normal lives in the end, just flashing red eyes for no reason.She could be cynical and detached, but she never stopped seeing her friends as people even at the end of her journey.
I imagine those designs will show up briefly in the epilogue. They'll just be happy and smiling without the sinister filter.Will all the foreshadowing of memory bleed across fragments, and the 'evil' / angry shots of the friends in the OP and season key art amount to anything next episode?
I've been waiting this whole time for the rest of the gang to get flashes of Satoko's actions and all realize how garbage she is.
Either that or Eua just got rid of that rule for the sake of the more entertaining option of letting them fight.Am I supposed to assume that in all those loops when the two were fighting that Rika died first in each and every one?
The loopers don't live out their full lives. They drop in and take over the body of the version of themselves in that fragment. Satoko seems to somehow be able to anticipate when Rika is going to drop in.And where they just appearing at different points randomly or were they living out those fragments up until they fought so they could continue their conversation
Righhhht that makes more sense, thanksEither that or Eua just got rid of that rule for the sake of the more entertaining option of letting them fight.
The loopers don't live out their full lives. They drop in and take over the body of the version of themselves in that fragment. Satoko seems to somehow be able to anticipate when Rika is going to drop in.
Jesus I had managed to forget about the whole intestine scene. Shouldn't have watched this while eating lol
Initially when we are actually shown deaths it's always Rika, following that rule. It's just that after a certain point they start switching between fragments with no deaths at all. The sword chase especially makes it look like that's actually happening since Satoko obviously isn't taking out Rika between cuts - if that happened she'd get the sword.What the heck just happened. Am I supposed to assume that in all those loops when the two were fighting that Rika died first in each and every one?
Wasn't this established? I thought it was a rule that Satoko gets a two-hour advantage in a fragment before Rika will pop in.Satoko seems to somehow be able to anticipate when Rika is going to drop in.
It was never directly explained. People just assume it due to the Nekodamashi loop where Rika already woke up with her belly opened, but Sotsu didn't explain that at all in the end (also the Nekodamashi Angel Mort loop in the manga, where it's shown Rika woke up in the Angel Mort itself, with infected Keiichi already rampaging around, but that seems less relevant now that we know the manga is going in a different direction with the Answer Arcs).Wasn't this established? I thought it was a rule that Satoko gets a two-hour advantage in a fragment before Rika will pop in.
A studio committing to another Umineko anime when the first one failed hard would be a true miracle.Either season 3 or a new Umineko anime announcment after this. I believe.