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NeonZ

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Just one question about Lambdadelta. If I remember in Umineko she implied she helped Miyo originally on her path to become a god. So if Lambdadelta IS Satako, does that mean she will be at one stage going back in time far enough to set Miyo on her original path? In the process becoming the original reason all loops happened?

I really doubt that will be addressed even if we get a more direct confirmation of a Satoko/Lambda connection. In the main VN itself, all quotes that reference Lambda being behind Bern's tragedy work even more directly if they're actually about Satoko being behind Gou/Sotsu, rather than the original loops. Like how it was described as a "Contest of Endurance" and the same term was used in Gou to describe the upcoming Satoko vs Rika game; Bern saying that someone troublesome took a liking to Battler, and something similar happened to her when she was a human or the description about Bern being tortured by a witch in a labyrinth of despair. Everything there could apply to the original Higurashi in a way, but they fit Gou/Sotsu much more directly.

However, then we have Memoirs of Lambdadelta, originally published for an event in 2008 and then later republished in VN format as part of Umineko Tsubasa. This one is where it's outright said Lambda blessed a girl who wished to become god, with many quotes taken directly from Takano's speech about her certain will when she decides to study to take over her grandpa's research near the end of her backstory in Matsuri. And it's said that although the girl failed in the end her actions led to the birth of a new witch. This all seems like an obvious attempt to reference Higurashi within Umineko's context.

It could be a timeloop, which would preserve the meaning of the references (and R07 has referenced Tezuka's Phoenix as an example of the type of connections his series have, and Phoenix featured a similar recursive timeloop tying two of its stories together), but it also could just be something from an unrelated fragment, like when the adult looking Bernkastel at the end of Higurashi stops the death of Takano's parents. That obviously didn't change Rika's own world, it just created a separate one. Of course, this would weaken the obvious intended references.

I think the 2nd option isn't unlikely though. Gou/Sotsu themselves are shoving aside Higurashi's own Saikoroshi. It either didn't happen now, or happened but lost any meaning. In Saikoroshi, had Rika promised to leave her witch personality in the past, accept her next death, look at her current world as the one world, treating the other worlds she experienced as dreams, and speculated that her witch-self might still exist in a higher realm separate from her. This has been outright said to have been a Bernkastel origin story by R07 in interviews, and it was clearly the implication with Rika's random speculation about her other self still existing in a higher realm, but Gou/Sotsu are basically ignoring all that. Rika in Gou/Sotsu is driven by her experiences in previous worlds, never being able to leave the trauma from them behind, and clearly still had a witch personality within her (the red eyes scenes). So, if Saikoroshi is still meant to have happened, Rika didn't actually take any lesson from it and her speculation about her witch self was just meaningless speculation.
 

AHA-Lambda

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I haven't seen the latest episode yet but This is all feeling so pointless now, it's 9 episodes in and it's a 3rd rendition of the same stuff but with even less meaningful change from the 2nd rendition

it's going to all lead back to the same cliffhanger at the end of the last season isn't it, and we'll wait for a 3rd season to actually move the plot along?
 

J-Spot

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I hope the name Lambdadelta is never uttered and all future WTC stories have a character that could conceivably be Lambda.

I haven't seen the latest episode yet but This is all feeling so pointless now, it's 9 episodes in and it's a 3rd rendition of the same stuff but with even less meaningful change from the 2nd rendition

it's going to all lead back to the same cliffhanger at the end of the last season isn't it, and we'll wait for a 3rd season to actually move the plot along?
Plot doesn't have to be a linear progression. These arcs can still be meaningful if we see a turning point in Satoko's characterization that will explain what she does in the gun scene.

I've said before that I thought Satoko had already lost the game at the point of the gun scene. I've reconsidered this. Satoko's win state is not to keep Rika, it is to learn to let her go. As established early in the Satokowashi-hen arc Satoko likes to ignore the rules of the game that she's playing. She's never bothered to consider the actual way to win. If the rest of the episodes set her up to realize that, there may not be all that much story left to tell after the gun scene. Passione has another show lines up for next season and I don't think they're big enough to have two shows in full production so there may not be a secret extra cour.
 

NeonZ

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I hope the name Lambdadelta is never uttered and all future WTC stories have a character that could conceivably be Lambda.

Well, we already got "LD3105". I doubt the actual Lambda name will be mentioned though considering "Eua" (and also the VA issue).
 

SchroDingerzat

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I am going to sound like a fool. But I thought last season Rika figured it out it was Satako my replacing the punching glove in the box with a toy?
 

NeonZ

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I am going to sound like a fool. But I thought last season Rika figured it out it was Satako my replacing the punching glove in the box with a toy?
This entire season so far is a flashback taking place during Gou's initial arcs. Gou's final arc itself was taking place before all previous arcs.
 

NeonZ

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So... I was partially right about the direction of this episode, although it might have gone even further than I expected regarding Satoko's character. I can't see how they introduce that twist here and then quickly unwrap things in the next few episodes already without it all feeling rushed.
 

J-Spot

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What the fuck is going to happen with Keiichi next week? Teppei is not coming back from that so I assume Satoko actually knocks him out and frames him despite how it was presented in Gou. If you watch those scenes she looks pretty damn depressed as she leads him up, so I don't think the real Satoko is completely gone.

Regarding the sea of fragments, it seems likely now that at least in these episodes it is just a visual representation of Satoko's mind. Perhaps that is all it ever was. There may never have even been any loops and her body is still in the storehouse in 1988. We never actually saw her die to initiate the loops and we know the Rika she is chasing is not the original from that timeline. The way everything goes exactly to Satoko's plan when she's just gambling on random L5's almost requires too much suspension of disbelief. What if these loops are just worlds Eua created specifically tailored to her Saikoroshi-hen style?
 
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Taruranto

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Euler

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This was qutie the fun episode. Glad we are finally starting to get new-ish content.
 

Razmos

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I was kinda half paying attention at first this episode since it was mostly just retreading old ground but as soon as I saw the first "fracture" my interest was immediately piqued. Did not expect what happened at all.

Is the "original" Satoko for all intents dead now? Has the witch that formed essentially killed and replaced any shred of humanity she still had?
 

Taruranto

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She never showed any humanity in the past 8 episodes, so I dunno what this episode was going about.

I think it's funny they used Teppei of all the people to show her doubts. Maybe they should have spent less time repeating stuff and more time showing Satoko having doubts before this (maybe she fails to inject Rena the first time and she doesn't' understand why... anything really)
 

NeonZ

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There was one sad face during Oniakashi when she saw Rena taking Rina's corpse. They completely forgot to include a single shred of regret during Wataakashi though, but that's not surprising considering how sloppily that arc was handled.

I was kinda half paying attention at first this episode since it was mostly just retreading old ground but as soon as I saw the first "fracture" my interest was immediately piqued. Did not expect what happened at all.

Is the "original" Satoko for all intents dead now? Has the witch that formed essentially killed and replaced any shred of humanity she still had?

They're just two sides of Satoko.
The witch claimed that the other Satoko was just remnants from past fragments and standard Satoko just went "That's wrong!" rather than saying anything for herself.
 
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J-Spot

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Is the "original" Satoko for all intents dead now? Has the witch that formed essentially killed and replaced any shred of humanity she still had?
That's the implication but I'd say it's unlikely. There's at least a few things left in Gou that suggests there's still something hiding in there. I think her continued desire to be with Rika is why the witch won out and the events between the disemboweling and the gun scene will focus on how she needs to let Rika go.
 

TonyBaduy

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My guess is that she'll bring K1 to her house and hit him on the back of his head to incriminate him as the murderer (though he doesn't end up going to jail because it was taken as self defense).

Also, I was browsing a wiki and found this, which is interesting and makes things point even more at Satoko = Lambdadelta

"Eua's discussion with Satoko in episode 21 potentially references other When They Cry installments Umineko no Naku Koro ni and Ciconia no Naku Koro ni:
  • She refers to Satoko as "Vier." Vier Dreissig is a character in Ciconia who bears resemblance to Takano. She also refers to her as "Mitsuyo", which can be read as 34; this coincides with the similar naming schemes of Vier and Takano, whose names can also be read as 34.
  • Lastly, she says LD3105. "LD" could refer to Lambdadelta, an Umineko character, while 3105 is a Japanese wordplay that can be read as "Satoko." The same wordplay has previously been used in the Hinamizawa Bus Stop manga."
It's in the "Trivia" section:
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Eua

Not to be confused with Featherine Augustus Aurora. Eua (エウア) is a mysterious being similar to Hanyuu that appears as one of the main antagonists of Higurashi: When They Cry - GOU and SOTSU. While the character debuts in the story in Satokowashi-hen Part 3, she was unnamed until the official...

As a theory I just thought, maybe Lambda confered Takano her favor, but inserted herself into the Hinamizawa "game" too as Satoko and after several loops from Rika she ended up forgetting, to which Eua expresses regret? I think it may be a possibility, though who really knows?
 

Roliq

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You know i wonder if the reason Lambda looks like Takano is ......
because Witch Satoko decides to loop in other people bodies and one happens to be Takano since it would give her the most resources to mess with Rika, of course this falls apart since we have never seen anything like that but Eua has a better version of looping that Hanyu soooooo
 

NeonZ

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Middle school Satoko already has the longer hair for Lambda. She just needs to comb it differently at that point.
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Eye color changes for witches already happened in Umineko too
(Eva -> Eva-Beatrice).
 

TonyBaduy

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Another possibility is that, if Lambda really descended and incarnated in Satoko just to enjoy the game Takano had set, she may have made some mistake, leading to her forgetting who she was, that is, maybe she made a logic error that basically erased her existence, but what is happening now may solve it somehow, allowing her to revive. She could also have been made to forget by someone else, but who knows at this point? We only know there is a strong connection implied everywhere since the first season.
 

Milk

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She never showed any humanity in the past 8 episodes, so I dunno what this episode was going about.

I think it's funny they used Teppei of all the people to show her doubts. Maybe they should have spent less time repeating stuff and more time showing Satoko having doubts before this (maybe she fails to inject Rena the first time and she doesn't' understand why... anything really)
This is the biggest thing I was thinking. By this point now Satoko has done absolutely terrible things to her friends, both directly and indirectly. The loop from Gou where Satoko splits Rika in half? So much pain and suffering inflicted on the one she 'loves'. No cracks.

Then, after all this time, she gets a loop with an affectionate Teppei and her will starts to crack? I mean I can see why she'd think "damn, this could have been my original life if Teppei was never abusive in the first place, I could have had a normal family..." but to think that she had no dent in her will for all the Rika slaughtering she did is still disgusting to think about. And I ain't forgiving her because "oh my personality split and formed a witch, that actually wasn't me".
 

TonyBaduy

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This is the biggest thing I was thinking. By this point now Satoko has done absolutely terrible things to her friends, both directly and indirectly. The loop from Gou where Satoko splits Rika in half? So much pain and suffering inflicted on the one she 'loves'. No cracks.

Then, after all this time, she gets a loop with an affectionate Teppei and her will starts to crack? I mean I can see why she'd think "damn, this could have been my original life if Teppei was never abusive in the first place, I could have had a normal family..." but to think that she had no dent in her will for all the Rika slaughtering she did is still disgusting to think about. And I ain't forgiving her because "oh my personality split and formed a witch, that actually wasn't me".
We have not yet reached the point when Satoko splits Rika in half, this is BEFORE that event. This is a retelling of the events in Gou, but from a different perspective, these are the "answer" arcs so to speak. Satoko ended up doing that after she saw 100 years of Rika torture porn, so she probably ended up messed up in the head. That's right, the first arc in Gou (and Sotsu) happened after Satoko watched 100 years of Rika's suffering. In short, Rika in half happens after Satoko "kills" her remaining emotions, as we saw in the latest episode. This is something that others were speculating before and was confirmed just now.
 

Milk

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We have not yet reached the point when Satoko splits Rika in half, this is BEFORE that event. This is a retelling of the events in Gou, but from a different perspective, these are the "answer" arcs so to speak. Satoko ended up doing that after she saw 100 years of Rika torture porn, so she probably ended up messed up in the head. That's right, the first arc in Gou (and Sotsu) happened after Satoko watched 100 years of Rika's suffering. In short, Rika in half happens after Satoko "kills" her remaining emotions, as we saw in the latest episode. This is something that others were speculating before and was confirmed just now.
Ah.

Welp, still a pretty terrible person even from the very beginning of all this. Crushing your best friend with a heavy chandelier? Bruh.

Satoko ended up doing that after she saw 100 years of Rika torture porn, so she probably ended up messed up in the head.
The fact that she wanted to watch that at all means she was already messed up in the head. She literally went into that viewing marathon with the intents of "let me study how Rika suffered so I can make her suffer even harder". Fuuuck that.
 

TonyBaduy

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Ah.

Welp, still a pretty terrible person even from the very beginning of all this. Crushing your best friend with a heavy chandelier? Bruh.


The fact that she wanted to watch that at all means she was already messed up in the head. She literally went into that viewing marathon with the intents of "let me study how Rika suffered so I can make her suffer even harder". Fuuuck that.
You could say that 2 years of isolation and abandonment did that to her mind... but the bland direction didn't really convey the mental anguish social isolation + the stress to succeed in somthing you know you can't succeed at did to her. It was probably soul crushing, and in the middle of all this felt constantly being betrayed for an entire year, twice. I am not saying what she did was right or rational, it wasn't, but this explains why she become so bitter, the last straw was when she thought Rika double betrayed her by snitching on her. I wonder if it'll be better portrayed in the manga? Love turning to hate is not that new of a concept and it does happen in real life too.
 

Mirado

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All you smart people, help a moron out here. Am I meant to take the Satoko v Satoko grudge match literally, as in this is an actual thing that happened in the floating void of fragments, i.e. a real conversation and fight between a normal Satoko and a Majin Satoko that popped out of nowhere with Eua refereeing, or am I meant to take this metaphorically, like as a literary device to just emphasize the internal struggle that Satoko is just now feeling for some reason?

Because they seem to be implying she actually had a Dr. Strangelove moment and her personality cracked into two distinct entitles, causing her to shoot and miss, and then we jump to fragment land, which I had always taken to be a real place and not just a mental projection, where the outcome of the cage match directly influences her in the current fragment...even though I thought the in-between was a place you "go" to after you leave a fragment. So was she in both places at once? Or can she just leave a fragment freely whenever she likes and then hop back in with no time passing? Did she astral project her split conscience in that moment? Since Eua seemingly knew this was going to happen, did she literally make it happen by creating a Super Saiyan God colored Satoko to contain the witch-y parts of Satoko's mind to do battle? Or was the fragment fight metaphorical but the Strangelove-esq alien hand syndrome literal?

Am I taking this all too literally or are they playing fast and loose with the rules? It's the fight in fragment land that's really messing with me; if she had this battle in a clearly internal space or a black void or something, I'd have a much easier time rectifying it with the internal logic of this world.
 

NeonZ

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All you smart people, help a moron out here. Am I meant to take the Satoko v Satoko grudge match literally, as in this is an actual thing that happened in the floating void of fragments, i.e. a real conversation and fight between a normal Satoko and a Majin Satoko that popped out of nowhere with Eua refereeing, or am I meant to take this metaphorically, like as a literary device to just emphasize the internal struggle that Satoko is just now feeling for some reason?

Because they seem to be implying she actually had a Dr. Strangelove moment and her personality cracked into two distinct entitles, causing her to shoot and miss, and then we jump to fragment land, which I had always taken to be a real place and not just a mental projection, where the outcome of the cage match directly influences her in the current fragment...even though I thought the in-between was a place you "go" to after you leave a fragment. So was she in both places at once? Or can she just leave a fragment freely whenever she likes and then hop back in with no time passing? Did she astral project her split conscience in that moment? Since Eua seemingly knew this was going to happen, did she literally make it happen by creating a Super Saiyan God colored Satoko to contain the witch-y parts of Satoko's mind to do battle? Or was the fragment fight metaphorical but the Strangelove-esq alien hand syndrome literal?

Am I taking this all too literally or are they playing fast and loose with the rules? It's the fight in fragment land that's really messing with me; if she had this battle in a clearly internal space or a black void or something, I'd have a much easier time rectifying it with the internal logic of this world.

Characters in Umineko can go in out of the gameboard/fragment at will. And in several previous scenes of Sotsu showing Satoko talking with Eua there was a fragment showing the current scene from the story, although some people wanted to dismiss those as just similar looking old fragments that happen to be showing that one specific scene and claiming those scenes must have been flashbacks, rather than Satoko being able to "pause" the story like Umineko characters. This newest episode certainly showed the Umineko-style mechanic in action though.

As for the battle, going by the dialogue, it's both in a way. Eua talks about eliminating those "emotions" (regret, presumably) when Witch Satoko shoots Satoko, which makes it sound like they weren't entirely separate personalities, just aspects of a single person. However, during the battle itself Witch Satoko does claim the old Satoko there was "leavings from old fragments", so that would be the in-universe explanation for the duel. Satoko's small regret combined with those fragments brought forth that old version of herself which temporarily stopped her from killing Teppei before getting eliminated.
 
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J-Spot

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All you smart people, help a moron out here. Am I meant to take the Satoko v Satoko grudge match literally, as in this is an actual thing that happened in the floating void of fragments, i.e. a real conversation and fight between a normal Satoko and a Majin Satoko that popped out of nowhere with Eua refereeing, or am I meant to take this metaphorically, like as a literary device to just emphasize the internal struggle that Satoko is just now feeling for some reason?

Because they seem to be implying she actually had a Dr. Strangelove moment and her personality cracked into two distinct entitles, causing her to shoot and miss, and then we jump to fragment land, which I had always taken to be a real place and not just a mental projection, where the outcome of the cage match directly influences her in the current fragment...even though I thought the in-between was a place you "go" to after you leave a fragment. So was she in both places at once? Or can she just leave a fragment freely whenever she likes and then hop back in with no time passing? Did she astral project her split conscience in that moment? Since Eua seemingly knew this was going to happen, did she literally make it happen by creating a Super Saiyan God colored Satoko to contain the witch-y parts of Satoko's mind to do battle? Or was the fragment fight metaphorical but the Strangelove-esq alien hand syndrome literal?

Am I taking this all too literally or are they playing fast and loose with the rules? It's the fight in fragment land that's really messing with me; if she had this battle in a clearly internal space or a black void or something, I'd have a much easier time rectifying it with the internal logic of this world.
I think whether you take it as just a metaphorical representation of her mind state or you believe there are literally two meta Satoko's vying for control in another realm it ultimately boils down to an internal struggle between two sides of herself. I see the cracks that form when she hugs Teppei as "cracks" forming in her resolve to continue with her plan. This allows the "human" Satoko to appear for the first time in forever, but she's still weak and still has not come to any realization on how to change things. She still insists that she loves Rika and wants to be with her, and since she still cannot give up that goal or at least figure out a better way to make it happen. I think the outdated emotion "witch" Satoko speaks of is love. If you love something you must set it free. In order to be with Rika she has to hate Rika. Since "human" Satoko has no counter move she loses the battle, and the cracks in Satoko's resolve are sealed with blood.
 

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The Keiichi vs Teppei scene ended up exactly as I predicted. Not sure how I feel about that. Keiichi can be an unreliable narrator but he was the POV character in Gou and this wasn't even his version of events. It's one thing to fool your audience, it's another to flat out lie to them. I suspect R07 may have come to that realization too late which is why the manga ended up going in a different direction.

Apart from that, not a whole lot happened here. We're right back to repeating events from Gou and the Satoko vs Satoko stuff turned out to be fleeting for now at least. I thought the way she was acting at the end of the Gou arc as a clue that she was feeling regret but that turned out to just be another lie along with her march to death by Ooishi. The only other thing of note was Eua seemingly shooting down the theory that she is Hanyuu, although that could also be a persona split type of situation and Hanyuu is trapped within her. I'm not yet ready to write off the theory that Eua was behind the Hanyuu that Rika sees in the sea of fragments. That will probably get addressed next week.

Apart from episode 10 this arc didn't end up meeting my expectations. I figured Satoko's connection with others would end up weakening her resolve and although that did happen with Teppei I feel like some opportunities were missed to show her with Keiichi and Shion who both consider themselves as sibling figures to her. Feels like this could have been consolidated into four episodes instead of five.

The "god entertaining arc" is next rather than neko something or other. Maybe that means less repeated content but I feel like there's a lot to fill in between now and the gun scene. If there's a secret cour then god entertaining might just be the four loops between Tatari and the disembowelment. However, if this next arc is really the end the pacing is going to have to be breakneck to get us to a resolution other than "see how it all ends in the manga!"
 

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I'm currently 1 episode behind (free tier for Funimation) so maybe something gets mentioned I've not seen yet, but something that gets me about Gou/Sotsu's version of the Teppei/CWS arc (I can't remember the name) is that Rika acts no differently throughout it.

This is a sequel to the original series after all, she's experienced this before. The first 2 arcs she makes comments about the changes but nothing here. Am I missing something?
 

Taruranto

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Finally, we are out of the recap.

So this could only mean... Neko Recap?


lol Gou straight up lying to the audience thorough a third person narrator/Keiichi's pov.
Sure, uh, why not.
 
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The verdict for this is coming close, and it won't be pretty. This kinda sucks honestly, feels like a cashgrab. Adds nothing to WTC overall when you think about it (aside obliterating Satoko as a character).
 

J-Spot

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I'm currently 1 episode behind (free tier for Funimation) so maybe something gets mentioned I've not seen yet, but something that gets me about Gou/Sotsu's version of the Teppei/CWS arc (I can't remember the name) is that Rika acts no differently throughout it.

This is a sequel to the original series after all, she's experienced this before. The first 2 arcs she makes comments about the changes but nothing here. Am I missing something?
If I recall correctly, Rika doesn't actually end up remembering Minagoroshi-hen which is the version of events where they petition CWS. This is because in the final arc Hanyuu spent all her power materializing in the human world so she couldn't restore Rika's memories of the previous arc. I'm going off the anime though so I don't know if that's the case in the VN.
 

NeonZ

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So, the anime didn't even know how to contextualize Keiichi vs Teppei well. I guess that explains why it didn't happen at all in the manga.

I'm currently 1 episode behind (free tier for Funimation) so maybe something gets mentioned I've not seen yet, but something that gets me about Gou/Sotsu's version of the Teppei/CWS arc (I can't remember the name) is that Rika acts no differently throughout it.

This is a sequel to the original series after all, she's experienced this before. The first 2 arcs she makes comments about the changes but nothing here. Am I missing something?

If I recall correctly, Rika doesn't actually end up remembering Minagoroshi-hen which is the version of events where they petition CWS. This is because in the final arc Hanyuu spent all her power materializing in the human world so she couldn't restore Rika's memories of the previous arc. I'm going off the anime though so I don't know if that's the case in the VN.

Yeah, that happens in the VN too, although Hanyuu herself isn't even sure why it happened, but she mentions her weakening abilities as a possibility. Either way, Rika doesn't remember Minagoroshi. Hanyuu does mention some details like everyone coming together for Satoko, but it wasn't a very in depth conversation.
 
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Razmos

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I noticed Satoko changing her outfit during the question arc but didn't really think much of it (though I suspected her at that point)
The fact she changed because her normal outfit was soaked in blood is a pretty great "oh shit" moment lol
 

Shizuka

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So, did the show finally catch up with showing what happened after last season's finale with Guntoko?
 

NeonZ

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So, did the show finally catch up with showing what happened after last season's finale with Guntoko?
Nope, we just ended Tatariakashi/damashi. Preview pictures for next week are out, and it seems to still be around the Akasaka scenario from Nekodamashi, although there's also some Hanyuu related backstory.
 

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So for someone who thought the first season meandered and wasted almost all its potential, but had a couple interesting elements with teppei etc. towards the end, is the second season more of the same or still a waste?
 

J-Spot

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So for someone who thought the first season meandered and wasted almost all its potential, but had a couple interesting elements with teppei etc. towards the end, is the second season more of the same or still a waste?
The stuff with Teppei is pretty much the only thing Sotsu has built on.
 

NeonZ

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So for someone who thought the first season meandered and wasted almost all its potential, but had a couple interesting elements with teppei etc. towards the end, is the second season more of the same or still a waste?
The Teppei stuff was explored very heavily during Sotsu's longest arc, Tatariakashi (and even took one episode from Wataakashi, which ended up really rushed due to that). So, if you want more of a follow up to that Sotsu has it.
 

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The stuff with Teppei is pretty much the only thing Sotsu has built on.

The Teppei stuff was explored very heavily during Sotsu's longest arc, Tatariakashi (and even took one episode from Wataakashi, which ended up really rushed due to that). So, if you want more of a follow up to that Sotsu has it.

Thanks for the quick replies. I might check it out then. The "only thing that Sotsu has built on" is a bit worrying but Gou didn't even seem to know how to build on stuff it established in it's own arcs so Oh well.
 

OtakuCoder

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So the 13th episode of Gou was straight-up lying to the audience then?

Obviously the assault scene is completely different, bearing practically no resemblence to what happened or who it happened to. But also: if Keiichi snuffed it at Satoko's house then that hospital scene obviously couldn't have happened. Also, in this impossible meeting Rena doesn't bother mentioning Satoko shooting herself and says Ooishi killed her.

I get that deceiving the audience is a WtC staple but Jesus Christ do I feel insulted.
 

Mendrox

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So the 13th episode of Gou was straight-up lying to the audience then?

Obviously the assault scene is completely different, bearing practically no resemblence to what happened or who it happened to. But also: if Keiichi snuffed it at Satoko's house then that hospital scene obviously couldn't have happened. Also, in this impossible meeting Rena doesn't bother mentioning Satoko shooting herself and says Ooishi killed her.

I get that deceiving the audience is a WtC staple but Jesus Christ do I feel insulted.

Most people already realized that with the red screen back then. Lying is nothing new as you said, but it was done pretty shitty here.
 

NeonZ

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So the 13th episode of Gou was straight-up lying to the audience then?

I get that deceiving the audience is a WtC staple but Jesus Christ do I feel insulted.
There were a couple of hints that the scene wasn't reliable in the anime, like Teppei not being mentioned in the aftermath and the way Satoko was completely covered in blood in episode 13 during the Teppei battle not matching the blood on her in episode 14.

Rena doesn't outright say Oishi killed Satoko either, she just says Oishi came with a gun then everyone was killed and what she saw didn't make sense, which was probably meant to hint at the Satoko scene. Although the way the scene flowed, you could think she was just referencing everyone dying rather than the way they died.

The manga's version of Rena's break down was fairer in comparison (although the manga also had no Teppei/Keiichi illusion, Keiichi is just attacked by Oishi during the festival but survives unlike the others).

 
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