It's possible in the 1000 years they have know each other they may have fought other times but 1) Higurashi, as a story was done (Rei is final as they come) 2) By R07 own admission, he didn't think a background story for both Bern and Lambda characters, who were "fun extra characters". So anything they say in Ep 1 or 2 is effectively meaningless or an Higurashi reference. Heck, even Bern being evil is something he did not decide until later. He may retcon it, but it's not something that had a meaning when it was written, beyond the one presented.
Eula shows up 2 minutes after being awakened by Satoko herself, reads her feelings and warps her to Masturi-2. That's all she does and in the same loop Satoko murders Rika with a chandelier because she could and completely unprompted. This is not Eula's fault, this is Satoko's fault for being a damn psychopath (Which is OOC btw), even Hanyuu had more impact despite being locked in ghost jail simply by the fact she spent her time prompting L5 people and discouraging Rika (Who, despite being a looper, never murdered anyone out of pure resentment)
If she's meant to be a corrupting force she's pretty bad at it, she does nothing!
But how is watching something a logic error? What kind of move did the GM do that locked Lambdatoko into a permanent fail state where she could only get out with certainty. How is fragment watching, something people do all the time in meta for what matters, a logic error?
Rika was murdered as a 10 years old girl, she was resurrected and forced to play a game where everything she tried failed, had to watch her parents and friends either going insane or getting murdered until she became numb to all emotions. Satoko was already pretty unhinged before watching Rika's 100 years, after that she came out... the same? Just more unhinged and with less empathy?
Witches don't want to think about their logic error, it's a horrific experience that they try to forget.
Also, if she's Lambdadelta how is she watching something herself has yet to cause?
She had precise tied to Higurashi though. She gave Takano her blessing and that's it. R07 went all the troubles of repeatedly pointing out Lambda is older than Bern and she was all alone before her, but she was born... in Higurashi's sequel? And her horrific logic error was... watching Higurashi?
Well, there was an interview by episode 3 where Ryukishi already talked about how you shouldn't take Bernkastel as an ally for granted (or Lambda as an enemy).
He also questions Lambda's connection to Higurashi there.Umineko Talk
Umineko Talk (うみねこ対談, Umineko Taidan) is a 3-part interview between KEIYA and Ryukishi07 that was posted by Dengeki Online in 2008. Part 1 was published on September 23, part 2 on September 30, and part 3 on October 7. In it, Ryukishi talks about Banquet of the Golden Witch's development and...07th-expansion.fandom.com
The comment about Bern being just an extra character to give hints was regarding Bern in Episode 1.
Answer to the Golden Witch
Final Thoughts on Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru: Answer to the golden witch Episode 5-8 (最終考察うみねこのなく頃に散 Answer to the golden witch Episode 5-8) is a Umineko When They Cry analysis book written by KEIYA and published by 07th Expansion. It includes a record of a discussion between KEIYA and...07th-expansion.fandom.com
I also remember an interview where he explicitly talked about how he had more witch world lore in his head regarding Bern/Lambda/Featherine, although I can't find the quote right now (and this was after Umineko anyway, so it's not very relevant regarding his early ideas).
Eua calls Satoko. You can see purple waves coming from the shrine to Satoko and then from the statue, and those are the only reason Satoko even goes there. Yeah, all the tragedies afterwards were caused due to Satoko's decisions, but Eua contacted her at the perfect time to get a Satoko who would go in that direction.
Fragment watching a logic error itself though. And the duration of Satoko's is even kind of confusing since she's shown watching scenes that took place after Rika's death. After she wakes up, she starts speaking about knowing all rules of Rika's tragedy, which was presumably the goal that required a will of certainty. She had a specific target and assurance she'd arrive there, just needed a strong will to cross it all. It perfectly matches a hell that was "made to be escapable" with "will of certainty".
It's hard to comment on it since the anime doesn't have character exposition. We see her saying "goodbye to Satoshi" but even that ends up very ambiguous to the lack of anything else around it. Still, in this newest episode , we see her apparently wanting to drive Mion insane just because she's curious about what an insane Mion would be like. That's really more Takano-like than anything else and makes one wonder how much of "Satoko" is even in there still.
That part is due to the boredom of an eternal existence bringing back the horrors that linger in their memories. It really shouldn't be such a big issue for them right now. Even Gou/Sotsu Rika who suddenly dislikes Hinamizawa due to the loops (even though it was never a thing for Rika herself before, only Bernkastel hating her past in Umineko) still seems just fine when she isn't witnessing a new tragedy there.
It's also treated as a direct game though, like Bern referencing it as a contest of endurance and saying Lambda just got tired and stopped. At least as presented in Umineko, it doesn't sound like Lambda was meant to be that passive.
Regarding the timeline of the events, that's actually something I'm wondering about. There is Satoko's scene with Eua which might hint she was something special from the start and just forgot it, but it also could be just her associating Satoko with the 34 character type. Either way though, I doubt we'll actually get a clear answer. Even if there is a witch ending, we probably won't see a scene with Satoko blessing Takano. Even if there is one, it could just be seen as an unrelated fragment, like Higurashi's epilogue where Frederica blesses Miyoko, rather than Higurashi somehow looping on itself. That certainly wasn't the original intention when that reference was made, but Takano having contact with some supernatural entity itself was a big retcon, especially with the way Matsuri frames Takano vs Hanyuu.
The recent high school Rika/Satoko banner for Mei actually leaned towards Satoko being special from the start too for some mysterious reason. The characters from Mei impose their cognition on the fragments they enter (allowing stuff like unconsciously materializing the clothing they associate with themselves where they live), and that disappears when they leave, making people forget them, but a non-looper Satoko for some reason still remembers them years later, while even Rika couldn't. Of course, in the end it could be just some Mei-only element, but it's odd they introduced that with their first Gou/Sotsu tie-in story.
They are really going there with injecting Mion and even made a point to spell out that she has never succumbed to the syndrome in previous worlds, I'm looking forward to seeing how the rest of this arc plays out.
I do still find it funny though that Satoko can learn how to manipulate, how to use a gun, can kill herself over and over to get the code to the briefcase and remember memory card games and winning horse names and yet she still can't succeed at school. Like come on
Satoko's failure is probably meant to be seen like Keiichi's backstory, when she loses her motivation she just can't apply herself to it. St.Lucia is an environment that she dislikes and without Rika hanging out with her she had basically no incentive to even improve her grades. It's not like they were close even while they were in the same class (although this happened due to Satoko wanting to give her "space" while also believing Rika would get tired of St.Lucia and want to drop out). As soon as she became a looper, Satoko's main interest was "testing" Rika (since she believes Rika was the one who told the school she was behind the trap that hit one of the girls) rather than actually attempting to improve herself there. Note that in that first loop Rika outright accuses Satoko of putting herself in the position of victim.I'm having difficulty discerning what is supposed to be shorthand to get things moving (i.e. the chandelier) vs things I'm supposed to take literally. Stuff like the mystery injection technique only reinforces the fact that they are playing very fast and loose to get to the end, and I'm losing the will to suspend my disbelief and go along for the ride. The original just didn't make these kinds of easily avoidable leaps of logic.
Huh? Eua clearly welcomes Satoko when she first appears in the sea of fragments. She doesn't seem surprised at all. And like I said, when Satoko is near the shrine she sees/senses purple waves, which is she goes towards it, and once getting inside there are more waves that draw her towards the statue. It's clear Eua was the one initiating contact, not just some coincidence. The shrine itself was unlocked and empty too, which is a pretty unusual state.Did she? Like she seems surprised as Satoko and mentioned she... didn't exist in this fragment before being touched? To begin with, she also seems to know Satoko too and think of her as a friend, so we don't know what exactly happened before she got summoned. Satoko herself just happened to be near the shrine that day before getting pulled.
OK you lost me here, but how? Logic errors are described as scenarios you can't get out that don't make sense. Like writing nonsense. Rika tries everything, but every time her friends go insane. That's because her GM is not playing. Battler tries to get out of the room, but he created a scenario where no one can save him. There is a way out, but he refuses to use it, creating a contradiction in script. How is the act of watching something "a logic error"? Why did R07 portray this logic error as something so light? Like, every time he mentions logic errors in 6 he empathizes they are horrible scenarios, Eua asks to Satoko if she wants to observe Rika's story with the same levity Will asks Lion if Lion wants to watch Beatrice's games. She doesn't mention her mind may broke or it will be like hell, just that it will take a lot of time.
I mean, she murdered Rika in cold blood after one loop over her breaking a promise. I say Satoko was no longer Satoko after 1 loop, since it's something OG Satoko would never do...
Just living in Hinamizawa isn't comparable to looping. Gou Rika almost decides to wipe herself out of existence because she's forced to loop! Even in the manga she breaks down crying at Hanyuu for being forced to revive the loops. Satoko is currently using everything in her "logic error" to bring more misery and looping, she's like living an extension of it and enjoying the shiet out if it. Am I suppose to infer the time spent watching Higurashi was horrible for her?
I think the thing that made it work is that Higurashi and Umineko were so vague and with Umineko playing with the idea that Bern and Lambda are more like concepts than anything, so 34 just represented Takano's hard working personality bending fate, aka good efforts are rewarded if you work hard (Eventually. If a miracle doesn't stop you). The meta world especially in Umineko can be entirelly taken as a reflection of reality more than anything.
Huh? Eua clearly welcomes Satoko when she first appears in the sea of fragments. She doesn't seem surprised at all. And like I said, when Satoko is near the shrine she sees/senses purple waves, which is she goes towards it, and once getting inside there are more waves that draw her towards the statue. It's clear Eua was the one initiating contact, not just some coincidence. The shrine itself was unlocked and empty too, which is a pretty unusual state.
Bern's logic error is described to be just because the game master (and Bern) didn't know how to reach their desired ending rather than being caused by an actual contradiction like Battler's. So, the definition is rather loose.
I don't think the Lion example is anywhere near comparable since Beatrice's games were few in number and comparatively short. In Satoko's case, she'd be watching the full duration of Rika's hell and even more (since she sees scenes beyond Rika's death too). And she comes out of it fully understanding the rules of Rika's original tragedy - basically "solving" the error. It seems to be the kind of experience that could be described as a "Hell that was made to be escapable with the willpower of certainty", like Lambda's is described. A situation where as long as she kept her will going she'd certainly be able to leave.
Anyway, regarding Satoko's mind... Eua initially doesn't mention Rika's mind being broken either, just her will to leave being caused by the loops. However, once Satoko returns from the 100 years, Satoko immediately starts talking about how having an eternal existence doesn't actually protect their heart - Eua then goes on to confirm saying that it doesn't guarantee a preserved mind, so her power truthfully doesn't make her immortal. And after all that Satoko says that the same must apply to Rika (which means she was talking about herself before).
Well, she saw Rika as a traitor before, and that pushed her to kill her parents. Granted, that was with Hinamizawa syndrome, but this time she has the fact that it's not a "permanent" death and she'd see Rika again soon.
Rikais initially confident though in both anime and manga, it's just when seeing that her previous knowledge was useless and she might be fated to another long hell that she starts breaking. More specifically, it even breaks her goal, since she doesn't trust in a miraculous victory anymore, she saw herself thrown back into loops even after it, and questions to Hanyuu what even would be the point of surviving, back in Neko, when she considers killing herself.
In Satoko's case, on the other hand, she feels in full control of it all. In spite of that though, she quickly deviated from recreating the previous tragedies to pushing ones she had never seen before, and now we know that aspect seemingly wasn't even part of some super complex plan, she was just interested in seeing them.
I think this goes back to what I mentioned before. People were generally willing to overlook those early comments about Lambda and Bern's past (especially with the story later changing the focus of Bern's past to Featherine and even the manga dropping some of the lines that indicated more direct interactions), but any actual portrayal of that early set up would end up in something pretty messed up. And, yes, the Umineko meta characters were generally reflections of real world aspects, although that entire aspect gets jumbled when you get to Lambda and Bern, who are meant to reference Higurashi, while not having clear counterparts in Umineko's real world. I mean, there is a cat for Bern, but that obviously has nothing to do with the heartless search for an answer, which is more of a collective group which ends up associated with other characters too.
Yeah, that line is there. She doesn't say the bit about not existing beforehand though, just that it's the first time she's alighting in that fragment. Still, like I said, the purple waves make it obvious she was the one calling Satoko. She also mentions that Satoko got to her due to her being close to Rika, which further hints that she had specific intentions behind that contact.There is a dialogue in one of the later episodes (I think it may be the episode where she gets named?) where she mentions something that she first aligned with this fragment the moment Satoko touched the statue? And that before that, she didn't even exist, hence the lack of name? That's what I'm talking about it. It's hard to gauge Eua's intentions, she also seems at least to be on friendly terms with Satoko's other selves, hence lending her the power to loop may have been a favor.
She also said this:
This is Umineko talking Higurashi so not a 1:1, but she describes Hanyuu as a game master and Rika as a piece. We know game masters are considered on a higher level than pieces (Which fits, since Hanyuu is a god and aware of the sea of fragments) and pieces are well... just pieces. So Rika is forced to play a game the GM Hanyuu started but never thought a goal and never bothered to play... I'd say it definitely feels like a logic error from a piece point of view. It's a game someone started and became abandoned, so it makes no sense because there is no real goal.
More so, if this is the game that "created" Bernkastel and they are talking about Gou, how do you reconcile the lack of Hanyuu (And they specifically use Hanyuu there, not Featherine)? Because unless R07 pulls a last minute twist we know Hanyuu has nothing to do with this and Rika in Gou didn't certainly loop for 100 years. Counting the years is specifically what broke Bern.
I agree that Lion watching Beatrice's game isn't comparable, but my point is that Fragment watching is something everyone did casually until now and it have never been presented as something that could be horrific.
This is Lambda talking about her hell... was I suppose to infer that watching Rika's life was something that completely terrified Satoko? Like, I didn't get the impression at all. Why didn't R07 reinforced that this experience was going to be horrific, if it was going to be Lambdatoko's origin story? He had the perfect opportunity to even use "Logic error" or "you'll need absolute certainly to get out of it" but Eua just tells her she'll need a lot of time, which she accepts and takes as a way to "educate" herself.
In the manga she breaks down and starts crying when she's forced to go back to the endless June. Of course, she thinks she was probably going to get out in one try since she had all the answers, but we saw in the first arc the moment everything failed she just gave up and killed herself.
Also Satoko is never really a victim in this. She has all the power and can do what she wants, people in logic errors are described as powerless and the result of something or something messing up.
Yeah, that line is there. She doesn't say the bit about not existing beforehand though, just that it's the first time she's alighting in that fragment. Still, like I said, the purple waves make it obvious she was the one calling Satoko. She also mentions that Satoko got to her due to her being close to Rika, which further hints that she had specific intentions behind that contact.
The text in the beginning of your image happens alongside the one I posted. She first says the game had no goal, then goes in that more specific explanation, where it sounds more like they didn't know how to reach their goal. The manga doesn't have the full text of the VN, and so it removes Lambda's elaboration. Regarding Hanyuu's role, I think Gou, like with some of the other Higurashi references in Umineko, is just making everything much more direct. Originally, Hanyuu never left Rika. She was always by her side, and they knew their goal was surviving June 1983, she was just kind of useless (until she suddenly resolves everything in Matsuri). Hanyuu in Gou outright leaves Rika with no clear goal (she even initially thinks Hanyuu was hinting she should kill herself, and even aside from that isn't even sure if surviving June 1983 is really the answer), following the Umineko description much more closely about a game with goal.
As far as the length goes, this is the one point where things get odd and actually more nebulous than before, but I think the anime staff just messed up. They seem to prefer locking down specific moments of the story, making it sound like there's nothing beyond them, which kind of works against that here. However, Rika has a line in the Nekodamashi anime where she describes both the original Higurashi and Gou as "very, very long dreams", making both sound comparable in legth, although the first one also had "shiny wonders" whlle Gou was just a "long, long nightmare". The manga also had a sequence showing tons of extra loops compared to the anime. So, I guess the anime staff just failed to allude to extra loops in a stronger way (although it still could happen in Sotsu).
That scene in the manga is after she had already failed to stop the incident with Keiichi and Rena too, like the one in Sotsu ep4, not the one in Gou ep.2. Regarding Umineko, another bit of dialogue that's cut from the manga is that when Lambda is explaining hers and Bern's logic errors to Erika, she adds that Bern's error wasn't her own fault, but says nothing like that when mentioning the time she was locked in hell by a witch. So, that would also fit Satoko voluntarily experiencing Rika's loops.
I don't agree here, in the original Hanyuu started the looping, but did nothing. She only told Rika to wait, believing fighting fate was pointless. She actually non active and was content spending time with Rika. So she loops, but she doesn't try to solve their situation, unlike Rika, who tried a bunch of stuff. Then at the very last moment, with the club's encouragement, she joined. She's the one that put together the Matsuri's fragment, which curiously fit a GM type of a character. This imo fits that description to a T.
In Gou to begin with that is not Hanyuu, Hanyuu is already dead/sleeping, it's a fragment of her that is not doing nothing. Hanyuu is also specifically stated to not be the one looping Rika, it's all Satoko and Eua. She basically only appeared because Rika's died and ended up in the sea of fragment. I really don't see how she fits the figure of the "GM who started it and didn't play". I don't think Hanyuu could even play because it's made clear that Rika is talking to is just a fragment. Indeed, the one who started the loop isn't Hanyuu, but Satoko.
This part about manga vs anime starts getting odd because we just don't have much info about the manga's plotting. We know it was closer to R07's original outline regarding Onidamashi's conclusion, but only because R07 specifically talked about how the anime staff moved the Hanyuu scene from the end of Onidamashi to episode 2 in order to have an earlier hook for returning viewers. So, regarding the other differences it's hard to say what would be closer to the plot.The manga also has other differences, such as Rika doesn't remember her deaths. The anime seems to be the one where R07 collaborated the most. But really there is a problem here: Rika herself set up a time-limit for herself, something R07 specifically wrote into the story. We know she looped 3 times and each loop lasted around 2 weeks, and then 5 extra loops, with some of the loops being short (Like the Angel Mort loop or Satoko's one). That's not even a year! Even if you want to count the manga loops, unless she looped a million of times, it's what, 6 months? Rika in Gou is breaking not because she's counting the years, but because she's forced back into her personal hell.
which of course sounds odd with the specific anime count, but works out better if there are more loops beyond the ones actually shown.R: When you consider stories with loops, as long as Rika doesn't give up, things go smoothly, ultimately speaking. But in the end, as long you don't reach the climax, Rika's heart/soul becomes more and more feeble (lit: tiring itself). Even though it is an endless loop game, she is approaching the game over.
Wataakashi 2
It's really well past time to stop taking minor oddities as clues, and start seeing them for what they always have been: poor writing, inconsistent characterization, and shoddy cinematography.
Considering they haven't shown the twin's backstory, yet I think we're either getting a flashback next episode or getting more answers in the Tatari answer arc judging how they put some Teppei stuff in this arc's first episode. For example Rena doesn't go on her rant in Tatari because she remembers what happens in Oni.This episode they went back and explained why Tomitake and Takano leave their vehicles behind, after skipping that during Oni Akashi, although it's not like it was a surprising explanation. I'd guess the syringe scene will be something similar. Later on we'll get the "surprising" reveal that she's actually mixing it with drinks.
What annoyed me this episode is that Shion just happened to apparently act like the beginning of her L5 self from Meakashi due to a series of coincidences (like how dragging Keiichi to the shrine seems like a complete whim here, and the call was entirely genuine and yet almost identical to her acting from Mea) with her comment from Watadamashi about being unable to forgive her sister for a few things not even being acknowledged in this side of the story. Considering how she crumbles when Mion confronts her it's clear she isn't meant to be going L5 at all. Everything would have worked out much better if she had been more aggressive in that scene.
For real. I am struggling to see who this was made for.Man, this better pick up pace soon cause I am really starting to question why the hell was this even made.
The "Frederica Bernkastel" name should have been explained in Higurashi Rei, but the anime completely skipped the two important scenes related to it for some reason, even though it left a single name drop that ends up completely out of context. In addition to the VN itself, the manga also has those scenes though.Just finished binging Gou and didn't realize Sotsu had already started airing. Though the impressions here are far from glowing. Lots of mixed thoughts on Gou despite enjoying it overall (especially since I only remember bits and pieces from the earlier anime adaptations). Overall...Madoka did it better.
I'll admit that all the Umineko discussions go completely over my head and make my eyes glaze over a bit, though. And I refuse to believe there's actually a character named "Lamdadelta". Hopefully this is all an excuse to lead into a proper anime adaptation so I can finally see what it's all about. (And maybe understand Rika's name change.)
I've definitely thought about checking out the VNs, but then I look at how long they take to get through... I need edited down versions for casuals.The "Frederica Bernkastel" name should have been explained in Higurashi Rei, but the anime completely skipped the two important scenes related to it for some reason, even though it left a single name drop that ends up completely out of contest. In addition to the VN itself, the manga also has those scenes though.
The manga is still available digitally and it's really good. I'm currently reading it myself since I wanted to reexperience the story without devoting 150 hours to it. It's a bit on the pricey side for all the volumes though.I've definitely thought about checking out the VNs, but then I look at how long they take to get through... I need edited down versions for casuals.
All that wasted curry…FFFFFFFFUUUUCKKKKK Satoko so much holy shit every episode I get angrier at that little fucking brat
where the fuck was Chie when all that curry was being wasted?
Satoko can do anything the plot demands. Next episode she will learn to drive a car.After watching the newest episode, I'm starting to wonder if Satoko can actuallyfreely use timestop...
I was really looking forward to a Mion centered arc, but this was basically just cliff notes of an arc. They might as well just have had the Satoko gun episode and then presented the rest as a recap.
...On what possible basis? I didn't see anything in the episode to prompt that thought. The most magical thing she did this week was quick draw a gun out of her knickers (apparently), but that trick's old hat at this point.After watching the newest episode, I'm starting to wonder if Satoko can actuallyfreely use timestop...
Ha. No, Sotsu has not gotten good. There's no need to catch up yet; if you've seen Gou, you've already seen all the episodes of Sotsu that have come out so far. You might think you haven't, but trust me, you have. (Unless you haven't seen Gou either -- but in that case, get out while you can, lol.)So did this finally get good?
I am planning to watch the episodes that came out soon. Maybe tonight.
I see. Thanks for replying.Ha. No, Sotsu has not gotten good. There's no need to catch up yet; if you've seen Gou, you've already seen all the episodes of Sotsu that have come out so far. You might think you haven't, but trust me, you have. (Unless you haven't seen Gou either -- but in that case, get out while you can, lol.)
They'll have to try really hard to make the next arc as nothingburger as the last two, and it finally starts next week, so there's that, at least... But honestly, my level of confidence in this show is so low that I'm not expecting anything out of the first and probably second Tatariakashi episodes either. The third will probably have something in it, I guess. Give it three more weeks and check back to see if anything has happened by then, would be my serious advice.
Same I was kind of disappointed Mion didn't even really get a POV dedicated to her to follow her progression into L5 or anything like Rena got in the last arc. The question arc was better than the answer arc, and they skipped half the stuff that may have been interesting set up for possible diverges and just went through the standard Meakashi route.After watching the newest episode, I'm starting to wonder if Satoko can actuallyfreely use timestop...
I was really looking forward to a Mion centered arc, but this was basically just the cliffsnotes of an arc. They might as well just have had the Satoko gun episode and then presented the rest as a recap.
She didn't just pull the gun, she also dropped the bottle, which only fell after her shot. It was like they just cut a scene.Hey everybody did you know that Mion was the bad guy this arc
But wait, there's more! Did you also know that Satoko was the bigger bad guy and had a gun
Oh, you did?
Sorry then, no episode this week, try again next week
...On what possible basis? I didn't see anything in the episode to prompt that thought. The most magical thing she did this week was quick draw a gun out of her knickers (apparently), but that trick's old hat at this point.
Sotsu so far has been a glorified recap of Gou. The new scenes often look good, but both arcs now ended up in episodes with really bad pacing due to rushing through a lot of Gou content.So did this finally get good?
I am planning to watch the episodes that came out soon. Maybe tonight.
You might as well catch up on the first two arcs. I think they will work better as a binge watch than catching them week to week.I see. Thanks for replying.
Should I just start next episode (if it is the new arc) then?
To be full-disclosure serious, I am being a bit silly/grumpy when I call Sotsu reruns of Gou; it's not literally re-used footage or anything (well, for the most part). Because of that, I don't expect it would sit right with most anime watchers to literally skip Oniakashi and Wataakshi like I've suggested. But, at the same time, I'm also serious when I say that Oniakashi and Wataakashi are within a rounding error of literal nothing happening. Everything "new" was already implied, and the new part about it is just that it's being shown outright.I see. Thanks for replying.
Should I just start next episode (if it is the new arc) then?
Same honestly, I never really cared about her even in the OG Higurashi other than her circumstances. I'm more or less fine with Gou, but even I'm starting to feel the effects of the 15 episode time limit they're working with, and the rushed pacing this time around.I never did like Satoko - so her becoming a villain I am okay with
I also never liked her but she is literally ruined. The whole friendship dynamic of the group is down in flames, Satoko doesn't care about them aside her Rika fixation. I almost wish that shard will erase Satoko and Rika from existence all together so K1,Rena and Mion can finally escape this hellhole scenario. Let Bern/Lambda troll themselves to oblivion in metaverse.I never did like Satoko - so her becoming a villain I am okay with
If you figured Satoko was the culprit and she did it by injecting people, congratulation, you don't need to watch anything. The only "surprising" explanation was how she got a gun (which really, when you have infinite time it's not hard to think of something). Still no explanation for WHERE she is hiding the damn gun yet. Apparently she has it on her body all the time somehow. Even when she's wearing the skintight school uniform.So did this finally get good?
I am planning to watch the episodes that came out soon. Maybe tonight.
I also never liked her but she is literally ruined. The whole friendship dynamic of the group is down in flames, Satoko doesn't care about them aside her Rika fixation. I almost wish that shard will erase Satoko and Rika from existence all together so K1,Rena and Mion can finally escape this hellhole scenario. Let Bern/Lambda troll themselves to oblivion in metaverse.
She didn't just pull the gun, she also dropped the bottle, which only fell after her shot. It was like they just cut a scene.
It also could double as an explanation for the injections (previously I thought the explanation would be mixing H173 with drinks, but now I'm wondering if everything won't come down to a single reveal later on).
I also never liked her but she is literally ruined. The whole friendship dynamic of the group is down in flames, Satoko doesn't care about them aside her Rika fixation. I almost wish that shard will erase Satoko and Rika from existence all together so K1,Rena and Mion can finally escape this hellhole scenario. Let Bern/Lambda troll themselves to oblivion in metaverse.
Sotsu so far has been a glorified recap of Gou. The new scenes often look good, but both arcs now ended up in episodes with really bad pacing due to rushing through a lot of Gou content.
You might as well catch up on the first two arcs. I think they will work better as a binge watch than catching them week to week.
To be full-disclosure serious, I am being a bit silly/grumpy when I call Sotsu reruns of Gou; it's not literally re-used footage or anything (well, for the most part). Because of that, I don't expect it would sit right with most anime watchers to literally skip Oniakashi and Wataakshi like I've suggested. But, at the same time, I'm also serious when I say that Oniakashi and Wataakashi are within a rounding error of literal nothing happening. Everything "new" was already implied, and the new part about it is just that it's being shown outright.
It's ultimately up to your own TV-watching preferences whether you skip it or not, but I do personally think that skipping them is likely to be a better experience that watching them. And, if you did decide to skip some episodes, then the next arc Tatariakashi is likely to be the best place to rejoin the show, since it's a Satoko arc and thus has an actual connection to the ongoing narrative as it left off in Gou -- even if only in terms of character rather than plot. (Gou's hanging plot threads won't pick up again until the arc after this one.)
tl;dr -- Yes, or if you want to wait for definitely new stuff then you could wait one more arc to be safe.
Thanks for the responses.If you figured Satoko was the culprit and she did it by injecting people, congratulation, you don't need to watch anything. The only "surprising" explanation was how she got a gun (which really, when you have infinite time it's not hard to think of something). Still no explanation for WHERE she is hiding the damn gun yet. Apparently she has it on her body all the time somehow. Even when she's wearing the skintight school uniform.
Oh and I guess the solution was even more boring, she didn't actually manipulate anyone so far, she only injected people and waited for stuff to happen.
Well, it's just speculation, since no names are directly mentioned. Although you're probably right. No reason to not use a spoiler tag.Potential Sotsu reveals derived from mobile game data mines probably ought to be spoiler tagged.
Thanks for the responses.
I guess I will see what I should do. I might go ahead and watch it but for now I will leave it be and watch something else.