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Hideo Kojima addresses 'walking simulator' criticisms levied at Death Stranding
- Thread starter vestan
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He's probably refering to Metal Gear
Also, how does a statement like this not help? Hes addressing, explaining, and hopefully clearing up (an already disproven criticism...many times over lol) to the game.
Its 2019, the term "walking simulator" has already become such a nonsensical thing by now. People looking at a game like this or Journey without playing it and calling it a "walking simulator" is just a reflection of the state and being of the commentor lol
It does seem to be one of the games with no in between; people will either hate it or love it.
Stupid question, but did any of the demos last week get posted in English?
Don't remember seeing any english videos, and I find it really disconcerting that people are having to rely on translations to get a grasp of everything Kojima's trying to impart.
Yeah, they showed the gameplay loop and they even showed a freaking BOSS FIGHT.
After all of these story trailers, a one hour gameplay video and several gameplay scenes within the trailers, I'm so done with people saying we don't know anything about the game.
I always have this suspicion that Kojima hasn't so much as looked at a game in years and is viewing the broader industry as a film-fanatic not really interested in understanding it.
I think games like Doom, Super Metroid, Dragon Quest, etc. were pretty popular right from the start, so this sounds like handwaving of any criticism.
They have shown footage of the playable charecter using an assault rifle to shoot things. If you see that and think "him looks like a walking simulator..." then your a lost cause.
The level of discourse on display is top notch. /S
This is the type of crap some of us have to swift through to find actual meaningful discussion in related threads.
bruv what i've seen of the game so far looks fucking awesome. it's a real shame that people are worried that they might not enjoy it if it doesn't have the prerequisite pew pew action, but i'm stoked about what i've seen so far (and it's pretty clear to me now what this game is going to be).
so yeah, in some respects it is our fault, collectively, for being so goddamn conservative about what constitutes a game, that when daddy kojima lays it out quite clearly and succinctly, people go "but where's the game", the game is there it's just not what people were expecting. if i can spend the majority of death stranding walking the desolate landscapes of america delivering packages and reconnecting isolated communities, and rarely/if ever engaging in high octane gun play, then i'm 110% sold.
If you have to explain what your game ISN'T, you kinda fucked up, Kojima.
All the marketing so far has been pretty bizarre:
- The first couple of trailers seemingly have nothing on what the gameplay actually is;
- Kojima pushing the "brand new genre" stuff;
- Actual gameplay received with quite a bit of criticism;
- Bizarro product placement that would get any other dev scolding press;
- Kojima's fixation on Norman Reedus and Madds;
- Cameos;
I honestly can't blame people for being clueless about what the hell this even is. And if you then go and release 50 minutes of walking around delivering parcels to holograms, what the hell did you expect was going to happen?
All the marketing so far has been pretty bizarre:
- The first couple of trailers seemingly have nothing on what the gameplay actually is;
- Kojima pushing the "brand new genre" stuff;
- Actual gameplay received with quite a bit of criticism;
- Bizarro product placement that would get any other dev scolding press;
- Kojima's fixation on Norman Reedus and Madds;
- Cameos;
I honestly can't blame people for being clueless about what the hell this even is. And if you then go and release 50 minutes of walking around delivering parcels to holograms, what the hell did you expect was going to happen?
I'm in the same boat. Many people criticizing are still on the "lackluster" MGSV boat and how disappointing that was, but any informed person knows that was mostly Konami's doing. With Kojima having his usual creative freedom back, I trust this is gonna be good (for all the good AND bad reasons).
I agree with a lot of this. Most of the "fears" about the game come from our fixated vision of what a "game" is. This is not God of War or Call of Duty: Shoot a man where you will be killing something eacher 2 minutes of walking, and I think that's what confusing people so much.
It's a weird boat to be in. Trying to address gamers who have a simplistic understanding of gaming and don't understand that games can have more nuanced mechanics not relating to shoot bang but without sounding overly cocky/pretentious.
He shouldn't have bothered. Idiots spouting off walking simulator, especially as a loaded negative term, aren't worth addressing.
He shouldn't have bothered. Idiots spouting off walking simulator, especially as a loaded negative term, aren't worth addressing.
From what I've deen it seems to have the exploration of BOTW with more focus on the main story quest and survival and less focus on actively engaging in combat.
I haven't watched much of the gameplay but was there more to the environment than grassy mountains?
Open World games need landmarks to make their world traversable and interesting.
I haven't watched much of the gameplay but was there more to the environment than grassy mountains?
Open World games need landmarks to make their world traversable and interesting.
noice
that's my vibe too, getting a lot of botw from what ive seen so far
and botw is the only good open world game!
No back then the idea of hiding from your enemy was literally crazy on the MSX in the 80's. He made a genre back then, haters be damned
It's perfectly fine not to be interested in the game or dislike it once it's out, but to call it a Walking Simulator or say nothing is going on because there isn't constant combat shows a clear lack of understanding.
Sorry, should I be ashamed of my words and deeds while watching Norman Reedus pee?
I think I'm gonna put this thread on ignore for the sake of my mental health.
In fact, it'll probably be best to avoid all death Stranding threads outside of the main thread until the game is out and even then I'm not sure.
In fact, it'll probably be best to avoid all death Stranding threads outside of the main thread until the game is out and even then I'm not sure.
I understand if him trying to say it's not just about walking but should stop to call it a new genre. Because clearly it's not looking to the last video gameplay released.
Are "Battle Royale" and "Souls" news genres? Cuz most people treat them that way, even though they're only the tiniest bit different than the games that came before.
At this point he's going to have to let the game just speak for itself. Lots of people are going to buy it off his name alone and if the word of mouth is good, then those on the fence will be more likely to jump in. Him trying to explain it isn't going to rope people in if they haven't already.
I'm in for it,just because it isn't more of the same. We'll see how it plays out once it's released
you replied to a person saying the level of discourse is terrible in these threads with this?
you basically proved their point.
And yes you should be ashamed because you clearly not arguing in good faith and trolling.
This is part of the reason trying to have a good level of discussion in divisive threads is hard, one has to read all the bullshit takes drowning valuable posts.
Anyway, I wish he didn't call it a new genre, that just happens after a while like the Dark Souls games, MOBAs and now Battle Royale.
Shame that Silent Hill (under Kojima) didn't come to fruition.
I've seen this gif from the TGS presentation that kind of freaked me out. Let me see if I can find it.
I'm not sure, sorry. Hopefully they'll post if for people that want to see it in English.
This behaviour truly is unique to Kojima products, and Death Stranding in particular. I want nothing to do with people that can't be asked to Google this game by now
Like I really hope he knows that the game he's making is a sci-fi rpg sim. This is what it falls under.
He absolutely killing me with this new genre stuff.
This is where I'm at. He did nothing to curb my fears of all that tedium becoming a drag to deal with. I feel that game designers strike that stuff from the to-do-list less because of feasibility and more because of playability.
Great for people that enjoy that but for me its added chores and micromanagement keeping me from the meat of the game.
This is where I'm at. He did nothing to curb my fears of all that tedium becoming a drag to deal with. I feel that game designers strike that stuff from the to-do-list less because of feasibility and more because of playability.
Great for people that enjoy that but for me its added chores and micromanagement keeping me from the meat of the game.
That's not his job any more than it's Tolstoy's job to make people understand War and Peace, or Mozart's job to have people understand Don Giovanni.
You're talking about art pandering to the masses and Kojima is talking about creating something new at the risk of it being misunderstood.
Stop trolling. Everyone can easily see you're trying to trigger hatred towards the game.
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It sounded about as clever as anything I've seen in Death Stranding so far.
You really think a renowned creator like Kojima would be telling us that he's changing everything if he wasn't going to?
Yeah, the core mechanics and gameplay in his games have never been bad. Even MGS5's main problems weren't the game mechanics, it had to do with the game's story and how the entire point of view was solely from the POV of Venom Snake. Which didn't remotely work, especially since Kiefer Sutherland was probably so expensive that all of his spoken content ends up being relegated to cassette tapes.
I think its pretty clear what the main mechanics of the game consists of. The core mechanics of the game really consists of a whole lot of mundane actions that are generally ignored (eg. balance while walking) or heavily abstracted in other video games (BOTW's stamina I guess), which may or may not actually play well. It really depends on the level design honestly...BOTW's traversal mechanics and map design were fantastical and encouraged you to be a tourist whereas I can 100% see Death Stranding's map design to be a whole lot more hostile and threatening.
People are losing their minds over "wacky" and "weird" shit when its just a game that isn't bothering to ignore or abstract them.
My only worry is that every time we see the gameplay, they cut out all of the travel. With obvious cuts too.
When we finally saw combat, it looked like MGS5 with less options. The exoskeleton was cool, and the boss fight was interesting (though fighting it with just grenades was a bit iffy).
I'll wait until the game is out and more impressions are available. The game hasn't been playable on a show floor yet, right? If so, that's also worrying.
When we finally saw combat, it looked like MGS5 with less options. The exoskeleton was cool, and the boss fight was interesting (though fighting it with just grenades was a bit iffy).
I'll wait until the game is out and more impressions are available. The game hasn't been playable on a show floor yet, right? If so, that's also worrying.
Sorry but I can't help but a bit amused at a game where Norman Reedus has to piss out Mountain Dew before reporting back to characters such as "Mama" (because she's a mother figure) and "Die Hardman," (because that's a film people know) being compared to Tolstoy and Mozart.
He is not changing everything or attempting to change everything. Again, stop trolling and arguing in bad faith. It's against the terms of service on this site.
The majority of criticisms in my opinion stem from this era of instant gratification / quick travel mechanics. Oddly I think it wouldnt've been critisized as harshly in the past were actual walking was a big part of exploration in a game as opposed to instantly zipping to and from checkpoints.
Do i think Kojima is a bit too far up his own ass? Yes.
But the game looks beautiful, charming, and highly original. And I highly doubt the game is gonna be dull.
I've never played any of his games but this might be my first
EDIT: if the game has a sense of progression. Does it? :p
But the game looks beautiful, charming, and highly original. And I highly doubt the game is gonna be dull.
I've never played any of his games but this might be my first
EDIT: if the game has a sense of progression. Does it? :p