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Ms.Galaxy

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,653
It exists and doesn't at the same time, same as you, same as all of us. You only perceive it as it exists, just as you perceive that you exist, but when you cannot perceive it, it does not exist.

At least, that's what my sleepy brain is telling me, so I could be wrong.
 

Speely

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,998
It exists and doesn't at the same time, same as you, same as all of us. You only perceive it as it exists, just as you perceive that you exist, but when you cannot perceive it, it does not exist.

At least, that's what my sleepy brain is telling me, so I could be wrong.
You are not Ms. Universe!
 

nitewulf

Member
Nov 29, 2017
7,205
Has it always existed? Was there a beginning? Why can't I wrap my head around the idea of something having always existed?

I'm lying here thinking about my own death, as I often do here lately. The finality of it. How you could die in the next 30 seconds, and this universe will carry on an infinite amount more without you ever existing again. It's so haunting, yet also sounds like mercy from an everlasting existence.

I wish I could believe in reincarnation somehow. Or even some sort of time loop where the universe always resets itself and I live this life repeatedly without ever knowing it.

Thoughts?



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1. The prevailing theory is that, no, it didn't always exist. The big bang, a very compressed from of space and time, exploded about 13 billion years ago, and all matter we see around us, as well as beyond us such as stars, planets, dust, galaxies, black holes, as well as matter we can't see like dark matter, it all exploded forth and has been in motion since then.

2. Also, no. As the matter and energy and time expands, entropy decreases. A system always stabilizes into decreasing entropy. Eventually all energy will burn out, stars will darken and die, planets will just be cold pieces of rock, there will be no light and the universe will die. It will die a heat death as there will be no thermal energy available. There are multiple theories as to what may happen, as space-time-gravity of the universe, and depending on it's shape, the universe may collapse back into a singular point of extreme density and again explode. But that actually seems highly unlikely as we find more and more information. So it looks like universe will just grow colder, darker and die. This is likely to happen based on below estimated timeline:

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This is a great wiki article on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe
 
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skipgo

Member
Dec 28, 2018
2,568
The universe exists to disappoint. That's all it is, an endless disappointment machine. All the good things the universe brings forth exist solely to disappoint you further down the line.
 
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Ayahuasca

Banned
Nov 6, 2017
1,456
This universe exists because everything that had to happen, including you making this post, happened. There's a slightly different universe where you did not make this post and you saved us all a lot of time not having to respond. But you gave a reason for the post, sleep deprivation, that all of us who replied or viewed this thread made happen in some profound way of being or not being in relation to you for you did not just wander on to this forum or the internet or this life...it was all with a purpose. Why does it exist? For the same reason you exist. It had to happen if not in this universe than another.
 

Dark Knight

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,326
You basically "die" every night for a few hours. If you didn't wake up, you'd never know that you were gone for a bit. You gotta roll with it.
Eh, for all intents and purposes this is somewhat of a myth to make people feel uncomfortable. You no more die every night than you do on a moment to moment basis. Every moment of continuity is just the ability to recall the moment and lifetime before(however accurately or falsely that recollection may be). Waking up and recovering memories is barely any different from recovering the memories you had before you entered this thread, it's just slightly more jarring since the recall is more "absolute". Even though you're unconscious while in deep sleep your brain is still in maintenance mode, internalizing the day's more memorable moments and, yes, preserving the sense of precious continuity. The continuity and sensation of waking up is simply far less broken up or jarring as purported in philosophy-wank internet comics. There is absolutely something to be said about dying every moment as a slightly new instance of you rises from oblivion, and yeah you're basically a completely new being every 7 years as that's how long it takes all your body's cells to change over, but basically just don't worry about "dying" every time you sleep because it's a far less meaningful concept for your consciousness than it sounds like.
 

Abraxas

Member
Feb 16, 2018
288
Dallas
If you watch that Lawrence Krauss video, he pretty much says the same thing. The universe would exist whether we were around to observe it or not.
Sure, we are ourselves part of the universe, so lucky for it it got so understand something of itself lol.

Reminds me of Douglas Adams's puddle analogy for our place in everything:
Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.
 

Subpar Scrub

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,576
It exists to make mad gains and get likes on your booty selfie on insta. Pursuing any other purpose is a waste of time and resources.
 

Deleted member 8861

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,564
All the know about the cause is the branch of cosmology

For all we know there's no reason

Edit: oh by the way since we're a part of the universe this means the universe is technically aware of its own existence and hence is self aware which is cool as fuck
 

Box

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
6,629
Lancashire
Black screen - blinking cursor - loading - press x to continue - please replace the batteries in your controller.................................................................................
 

danowat

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,783
1. The prevailing theory is that, no, it didn't always exist. The big bang, a very compressed from of space and time, exploded about 13 billion years ago, and all matter we see around us, as well as beyond us such as stars, planets, dust, galaxies, black holes, as well as matter we can't see like dark matter, it all exploded forth and has been in motion since then.

Just want to touch on this a bit.......although "a" prevailing theory is such, there are others that I think are potentially more plausable.

It all really boils down to whether you believe something can come from nothing or not, if you do, then you also consider the idea that a creator is also possible (which also opens the door for the possibility of simulation theory), if you don't (and I don't), then there is the question of what came before.

I personally adhere to the theory of time being cyclic (there are lots of things in the universe that are cyclic, so time being another isn't too much of a stretch), and also the bounce theory, so (very simplified) there are multiple concurrent universes that expand, then contract, with such force that they compress the universe into such a small space that the bang happens, and it starts all over again.
 

Santerestil

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
2,314
I remember I used to ask "if the universe is expanding, then what is it expanding into?".
Into nothing.
Nothing exist outside of space, and energy and matter can be only in space.
Space "stretch" itself continuosly and become bigger and bigger with time. Matter stay on its place, but it is "dragged" away by space becoming wider. (At least, It is how I understand it.)
 

Morphis

Member
Oct 28, 2017
301
For us as individual humans, it doesn't really matter. Our lives are far to short to matter on a universal timeline.

What I find comforting: long after I die, the atoms that make up my body will disperse back into the universe. Probably along with all your atoms. Dust to dust, as they say.
 

Lunatic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,834
You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that's when you met me.

"What… what happened?" You asked. "Where am I?"

"You died," I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

"There was a… a truck and it was skidding…"

"Yup," I said.

"I… I died?"

"Yup. But don't feel bad about it. Everyone dies," I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. "What is this place?" You asked. "Is this the afterlife?"

"More or less," I said.

"Are you god?" You asked.

"Yup," I replied. "I'm God."

"My kids… my wife," you said.

"What about them?"

"Will they be all right?"

"That's what I like to see," I said. "You just died and your main concern is for your family. That's good stuff right there."

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn't look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

"Don't worry," I said. "They'll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn't have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it's any consolation, she'll feel very guilty for feeling relieved."

"Oh," you said. "So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?"

"Neither," I said. "You'll be reincarnated."

"Ah," you said. "So the Hindus were right,"

"All religions are right in their own way," I said. "Walk with me."

You followed along as we strode through the void. "Where are we going?"

"Nowhere in particular," I said. "It's just nice to walk while we talk."

"So what's the point, then?" You asked. "When I get reborn, I'll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won't matter."

"Not so!" I said. "You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don't remember them right now."

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. "Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It's like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it's hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you've gained all the experiences it had.

"You've been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven't stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you'd start remembering everything. But there's no point to doing that between each life."

"How many times have I been reincarnated, then?"

"Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives." I said. "This time around, you'll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD."

"Wait, what?" You stammered. "You're sending me back in time?"

"Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from."

"Where you come from?" You said.

"Oh sure," I explained "I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you'll want to know what it's like there, but honestly you wouldn't understand."

"Oh," you said, a little let down. "But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point."

"Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don't even know it's happening."

"So what's the point of it all?"

"Seriously?" I asked. "Seriously? You're asking me for the meaning of life? Isn't that a little stereotypical?"

"Well it's a reasonable question," you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. "The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature."

"You mean mankind? You want us to mature?"

"No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect."

"Just me? What about everyone else?"

"There is no one else," I said. "In this universe, there's just you and me."

You stared blankly at me. "But all the people on earth…"

"All you. Different incarnations of you."

"Wait. I'm everyone!?"

"Now you're getting it," I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

"I'm every human being who ever lived?"

"Or who will ever live, yes."

"I'm Abraham Lincoln?"

"And you're John Wilkes Booth, too," I added.

"I'm Hitler?" You said, appalled.

"And you're the millions he killed."

"I'm Jesus?"

"And you're everyone who followed him."

You fell silent.

"Every time you victimized someone," I said, "you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you've done, you've done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you."

You thought for a long time.

"Why?" You asked me. "Why do all this?"

"Because someday, you will become like me. Because that's what you are. You're one of my kind. You're my child."

"Whoa," you said, incredulous. "You mean I'm a god?"

"No. Not yet. You're a fetus. You're still growing. Once you've lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born."

"So the whole universe," you said, "it's just…"

"An egg." I answered. "Now it's time for you to move on to your next life."

And I sent you on your way.

- The Egg ~ Andy Weir
 
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MasterYoshi

MasterYoshi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,044
You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that's when you met me.

"What… what happened?" You asked. "Where am I?"

"You died," I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

"There was a… a truck and it was skidding…"

"Yup," I said.

"I… I died?"

"Yup. But don't feel bad about it. Everyone dies," I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. "What is this place?" You asked. "Is this the afterlife?"

"More or less," I said.

"Are you god?" You asked.

"Yup," I replied. "I'm God."

"My kids… my wife," you said.

"What about them?"

"Will they be all right?"

"That's what I like to see," I said. "You just died and your main concern is for your family. That's good stuff right there."

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn't look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

"Don't worry," I said. "They'll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn't have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it's any consolation, she'll feel very guilty for feeling relieved."

"Oh," you said. "So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?"

"Neither," I said. "You'll be reincarnated."

"Ah," you said. "So the Hindus were right,"

"All religions are right in their own way," I said. "Walk with me."

You followed along as we strode through the void. "Where are we going?"

"Nowhere in particular," I said. "It's just nice to walk while we talk."

"So what's the point, then?" You asked. "When I get reborn, I'll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won't matter."

"Not so!" I said. "You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don't remember them right now."

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. "Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It's like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it's hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you've gained all the experiences it had.

"You've been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven't stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you'd start remembering everything. But there's no point to doing that between each life."

"How many times have I been reincarnated, then?"

"Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives." I said. "This time around, you'll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD."

"Wait, what?" You stammered. "You're sending me back in time?"

"Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from."

"Where you come from?" You said.

"Oh sure," I explained "I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you'll want to know what it's like there, but honestly you wouldn't understand."

"Oh," you said, a little let down. "But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point."

"Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don't even know it's happening."

"So what's the point of it all?"

"Seriously?" I asked. "Seriously? You're asking me for the meaning of life? Isn't that a little stereotypical?"

"Well it's a reasonable question," you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. "The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature."

"You mean mankind? You want us to mature?"

"No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect."

"Just me? What about everyone else?"

"There is no one else," I said. "In this universe, there's just you and me."

You stared blankly at me. "But all the people on earth…"

"All you. Different incarnations of you."

"Wait. I'm everyone!?"

"Now you're getting it," I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

"I'm every human being who ever lived?"

"Or who will ever live, yes."

"I'm Abraham Lincoln?"

"And you're John Wilkes Booth, too," I added.

"I'm Hitler?" You said, appalled.

"And you're the millions he killed."

"I'm Jesus?"

"And you're everyone who followed him."

You fell silent.

"Every time you victimized someone," I said, "you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you've done, you've done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you."

You thought for a long time.

"Why?" You asked me. "Why do all this?"

"Because someday, you will become like me. Because that's what you are. You're one of my kind. You're my child."

"Whoa," you said, incredulous. "You mean I'm a god?"

"No. Not yet. You're a fetus. You're still growing. Once you've lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born."

"So the whole universe," you said, "it's just…"

"An egg." I answered. "Now it's time for you to move on to your next life."

And I sent you on your way.

- The Egg ~ Andy Weir
Wait, am I banging myself?