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.Detective.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Global public health experts are looking on in "alarm and disbelief" as the U.S. economy reopens even as Covid-19 case numbers continue to rise in a number of states, with President Donald Trump signaling he has no intention of calling for more economic shutdowns regardless of the outcome.

As The Washington Post reported Friday, newspapers across Europe have recently published articles and editorials expressing shock at the Trump administration's approach to the pandemic.

"U.S. Increasingly Accepts Rising Covid-19 Numbers," read a headline this week in the Swiss paper Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

While images of Americans crowding onto beaches and other public places may have given the international community the impression that the public have grown impatient with social distancing, a survey by the Associated Press last month showed 83% of Americans were concerned lifting lockdown orders too quickly would lead to more coronavirus infections.

But as the country's overall case numbers have risen in recent days, with 10 states this week reporting their highest seven-day average since the pandemic started, Trump and other leaders are pushing Americans to return to work and their normal routines.

"We won't be closing the country again. We won't have to do that," the president said Wednesday.

Infectious disease specialists around the world—some of whom used U.S. scientists' research to guide their own governments' strategies in confronting the pandemic, pushing them to prepare for long-term lockdowns necessitating robust economic relief packages—are struggling to understand the logic of reopening the country as case numbers grow, the Post reported.

"It really does feel like the U.S. has given up," Siouxsie Wiles, a specialist at University of Auckland in New Zealand, told the Post.

After spending 4% of its GDP on coronavirus relief—which covered all wages for New Zealanders who had to leave work to self-isolate, doubled healthcare spending, and provided subsidies to businesses so they could maintain their payrolls—New Zealand announced in late April that it had effectively eliminated the coronavirus. As of Friday, the country had only three confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the past three weeks.

Other countries where case numbers have dropped significantly in recent weeks, including Canada, Denmark, and Germany, also introduced far-reaching economic relief packages early on in the crisis to enable people to stay at home and avoid overwhelming healthcare systems.

Those spending plans contrast sharply with relief measures in the U.S., which included a one-time direct payment of $1,200 to some Americans and $600 per week on top of regular unemployment benefits. Republicans plan to let the unemployment benefit expire in July, and House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) admitted in May that a paycheck guarantee was the "most efficient" way to protect Americans' jobs and incomes during the crisis, but dismissed Rep. Pramila Jayapal's (D-Wash.) proposal as too expensive.

Posting on Twitter a chart showing the steady, continued growth of Covid-19 cases in the U.S. as millions of Americans were forced to continue reporting to work throughout the crisis compared with plummeting infection rates across Europe, former Obama administration Medicare official Andy Slavitt tweeted, "Don't ever let anyone tell you it wasn't possible."

Devi Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, added that poor government responses to the pandemic in the U.S. and the U.K. were inexcusable.

"It's down to absent leadership, incompetence, and a deliberate decision to treat COVID-19 like flu for weeks in Feb and March," Sridhar tweeted.

Wiles expressed horror at the pressure many Americans have felt for weeks to keep reporting to work, regardless of their own risk factors for infection or of case numbers in their communities. Several states last month announced that they would end unemployment benefits for workers who didn't return to their jobs after their industries began reopening, and Ohio's government urged companies to report employees who didn't return.

"I can't imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it"s unsafe," Wiles said. "It's hard to see how this ends. There are just going to be more and more people infected, and more and more deaths. It's heartbreaking."

www.commondreams.org

'Heartbreaking,' Say Global Experts, Alarmed at Signs US Has 'Given Up' Fight to Stop Covid-19

"I can't imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it"s unsafe," said one expert in New Zealand. "It's hard to see how this ends."
 

JB2448

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,956
Florida
"But the economy is more important than lives. Young people shouldn't have to give up their outdoor lives in order to save some miserable and weak people."

Etc., etc.

Republicans and conservatives are scum, regardless of education or specialization. Fuck them all.

Vote.
 

Dust

C H A O S
Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,169
If you cannot beat it, join it...I guess.
When fucking masks are a "political statement", you know it was lost cause from the start.
 

Radd Redd

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,999
They won't outright say it but in their minds most people are expendable for the economy.
 

Verelios

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,877
I just came to grips that nature will take what it's due, and if people want to lighten its load then what can we do?
 

Brinbe

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
58,037
Terana
yeah, they have. and we should all be worried. that canadian-american border should stay closed till a vaccine appears. they are a threat to the world.
 

ginger ninja

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,060
User Banned (1 Month): Insensitive commentary
Hard ? Bro I for one am excited. America is collapsing on itself and we have front row seats.
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
Republicans won't admit they're wrong until they're dead.

Which is sad in a general sense but, 1) they chose this path, 2) it'll make winning in November infinitesimally easier which will make stopping further deaths easier.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,910
It's amazing how two people can destroy a country of 330 million
 
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.Detective.

.Detective.

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,660
"Given up?"

Half this country never fought back...

I think the point is, for most of us non-American citizens here on ERA and across the world in general, no one can fucking make any sort of understanding/sense at either the lack of appropriate concern from folks within the US(as you mentioned, a lot are not even taking it seriously) or why this shit went down the way it did.

It's like we are the audience in a fucking horror film, and screaming at the people involved on screen not to go into the dark room with the serial killer in it, because it's obvious to everyone else that there is danger in the atmosphere/environment.

Hard ? Bro I for one am excited. America is collapsing on itself and we have front row seats.

Excited? These are human beings who are suffering unnecessarily, dude. This isn't a time for gloating or other geopolitical attitudes.
 

El-Suave

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,829
It's crazy because online I see some people I follow living under stricter rules than we ever did here in Germany. That must be super frustrating.
 

Pirate Bae

Edelgard Feet Appreciator
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,792
??
The Last of Us is gonna be real, except for fungal zombies we'll have GOP zombies.
 

Tsuyu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,587
This is the failure of not just Trump administration but every other politicians and business leaders choosing to reopen business when Coronavirus is clearly not contained.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
44,124
I think the point is, for most of us non-American citizens here on ERA and across the world in general, no one can fucking make any sort of understanding/sense at either the lack of appropriate concern from folks within the US(as you mentioned, a lot are not even taking it seriously) or why this shit went down the way it did.

It's probably difficult to comprehend if you aren't American. We have a culture of individualism, selfishness, and anti-intellectualism that is being poured on with gasoline thanks to Republican leaders and corporations.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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1918 shows us what happens when you exhale and let your guard down during a pandemic. Those that don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

And here we are.
 

ArchedThunder

Uncle Beerus
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,006
If no vaccine comes the US is on a fast track to becoming a third world country or totally collapsing.
 

Gpsych

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May 20, 2019
2,890
This was always going to be the outcome here. I know it sounds defeatist, but there is no way the U.S. was going to stay closed long enough. Even in the beginning, when family members were asking me what I thought was going to happen, I consistent said, "We'll close down for 6 to 8 weeks and then open everything back up again and just say 'acceptable losses.'" And that's exactly what's happening.
 

Mekanos

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Member
Oct 17, 2018
44,124
My aunt wants to host a 4th of July party at her house. My neighbor got COVID after a block party. People don't get it.
 

Lotus

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
105,654
There was actually a Lt. Governor in Texas who literally said it, iirc.

Ah yup, I remember:

www.google.com

Dan Patrick says “there are more important things than living and that’s saving this country”

Patrick went on Fox News on Monday evening to defend comments he made last month where he said he would rather die from the widely spreading coronavirus than see the economy destroyed for his children and grandchildren.

"What I said when I was with you that night is there are more important things than living. And that's saving this country for my children and my grandchildren and saving this country for all of us," Patrick said. "I don't want to die, nobody wants to die, but man we've got to take some risks and get back in the game and get this country back up and running."
 

smurfx

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,578
we barely even hear a peep from fauci now. the networks have moved on to other stories.
 

Min

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,068
we barely even hear a peep from fauci now. the networks have moved on to other stories.

He's been giving a lot of interviews this week to NPR, but he has very openly said that he will not answer questions relating to political decisions made by Trump. Those questions typically are something like "Is the President mistaken to be having a rally during the midst of a pandemic?" And he kind of just defers to the CDC guidelines of social distance and if you can't social distance then wear a mask.
 

Luminish

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,508
Denver
I think what most of the citizens of this country did for the month of April was increadibly uplifting. Without any coercian they stayed home for an extended period of time and drastically reduced cases. The emptyness of once busy streets was a sight to behold and I think was a great sign of people as a whole changing their lifestyles for this.

The government then failed to do anything meaningful with that sacrifice. I hope we can recreate april should it be needed, but I'm worried a lot of people took the message that it's pointless.
 

ginger ninja

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,060
Excited? These are human beings who are suffering unnecessarily, dude. This isn't a time for gloating or other geopolitical attitudes.

But I am American ?

Excited to watch hundreds of thousands of people die.

Real cool person you are

This is a really fucking dumb post.

Its always fun to cheer people dying, isn't it?


You are a horrible human being.

Just so we are clear, not celebrating deaths. I live in NYC so I know how real it gets. This is about the America as a country doing dumb things over and over again and somehow wondering how things are going bad. America votes in the dumbest, unscientific administration possible, almost half the country refuses to take anything seriously because of mah freedoms and here we are playing captain hindsight as if no one saw this coming. America is dying by suicide, as Lincoln once said it could.

And again, not gloating or anything but it's ironic. America is responsible for so much destruction overseas and subjugation/destruction of entire races, it's ironic to see it brought down by their internalized stupidity.
 

kmfdmpig

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
19,350
But I am American ?

Just so we are clear, not celebrating deaths. I live in NYC so I know how real it gets. This is about the America as a country doing dumb things over and over again and somehow wondering how things are going bad. America votes in the dumbest, unscientific administration possible, almost half the country refuses to take anything seriously because of mah freedoms and here we are playing captain hindsight as if no one saw this coming. America is dying by suicide, as Lincoln once said it could.

And again, not gloating or anything but it's ironic. America is responsible for so much destruction overseas and subjugation/destruction of entire races, it's ironic to see it brought down by their internalized stupidity.
Your wording was terrible, frankly. Be excited for the election or for people to realize that voting in ignorant/evil narcissists is a mistake. Don't be "excited" for over 100k dying.
 

maximumzero

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,904
New Orleans, LA
If Trump believed what he says he'd be out in the crowds at the Rally shaking hands and greeting his "fans", but he's terrified of COVID-19 and I assume he'll be in a glass bubble when he's speaking tonight.