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HDTVTest "You've Been Doing PS5 [Adjust HDR] Wrong... Here's How to Get the Best Settings"
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When you look at the sun or a similar bright light does it almost make you want to squint?
Yup, things are super complicated even for my tech oriented mind.
Things should be simple. I still dont know what are the best calibration settings for my 1 year old tv. Each game needs its own calibration which is tiresome.
Once everyone starts using the system level calibration these issues should go away.
With DTM on? Not really. I mean it looks bright sure, but I'm not squinting. For sure there is a bit of detail loss, but I'll take that since it gives me much better highlights.
Okay great. I will give this a shot. It seems straight forward enough when there are sliders for nits or paperwhite etc., but it gets a little hazy when it strays away from this. Games seem to be all over the place in this regard. I wish they would all follow a standard with in game manual adjustments as well. For example, I booted up the PS5 version of MK11 on my lunch break and the options for HDR were:
* Image Adjust: Adjust until image on left disappears.
* HDR 10: Off/Device Default/On
* HDR type: Standard/High End/ Professional (WTF is this?!!) lol
Then you have a game like Demon's Souls and it's simply Contrast and Brightness with no real detail besides an arbitrary in game number which defaults to "50".
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TL:DR here is essentially the same process as PS5 but Vincent prefers MS's approach because each level is far more granular.
Yep, I had already done the same on my xbox, just nice to see it confirmed.
No, all the highlights look dull, including the sun, but I can see all the details
Yeah devs seem to be all over the place on the implementation. I really like the simple luminescence and paper white sliders. Nothing else is really needed. AC odyssey used that but paper white is gone now with exposure being the new one. I think its the same but not really sure lol
We'll see them all again in the future" don't buy OLEDS, you'll get burn in" threads.
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Why does this game have raised blacks!
As they use a setting that brightens up the image
That's weird. While HGIG does look dimmer than DTM the actual bright lights (sun, highlights, etc) are absolutely working as intended for me in HGIG are putting out max luminance.
hey let's try to not get all pretentious about this guys, acting like anyone who is a touch confused about certain settings is a complete nob. Unless you are constantly combing through these threads or a calibrator, it can get confusing fast. BTW, I prefer DTM in a lot of my games to HGIG. This is a fairly new standard and a lot of games don't support it and therefore look shit IMO. Some games, like No Man's Sky look fantastic using HGIG, but this is not the case with every game. Other than this setting I have my TV pretty much dead on what is suggested. I'm trying to find a happy medium here and I'm a bit unsure of how to achieve that, which is why I'm asking questions. I would like to flip on HGIG and leave it alone, but in order to be satisfied with that I want to be able to adjust in games that are too dull. I would also like to be able to change it to DTM on a per game level without calibrating all over again.
I have to use Medium, even warm 1 has a yellow tint. Looks great when I game in the dark, will have to try it when the sun is out tomorrow.
So for for my 2017 lg b7 with a "dimmer" game mode, I did the tweaks in game mode where the sun is gone and noticed that if I switch to another mode like cinema and go through the calibration again I can now see the sun in the first two steps.
Can I get some of the peak brightness back by switching to a non game mode like cinema and doing the system hdr tweaks there and just bumping it a few times higher then going back to game mode?
Can I get some of the peak brightness back by switching to a non game mode like cinema and doing the system hdr tweaks there and just bumping it a few times higher then going back to game mode?
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warm is the correct way. your eyes will get used to it. give it 2 days
So, huh... Which settings do I use on a good ol' B6? The ones in this video or the ones the PS5 suggests?
Warm is the correct way, but is it more accurate or a preference to select Warm 2?
I think we need a Warm 1 VS Warm 2 poll on Era. lol
On an OLED? Yeah, dark rooms are where it shines best. They just don't have the brightness for day lit rooms.
Figured, my new room has much more natural lighting and I thought something was wrong with my TV.
Yeah, it was an issue with PS4 and LG too. Limited on console, wide on the TV and don't use auto. I wouldn't mind seeing a video from him that shows the difference if I'm missing something.
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I have the same issue.
Has this been covered yet - dynamic tone mapping on or off for 8 series Oleds?
There's a lot of emphasis on HGIG being enabled but no mention of what users without HGIG displays should do. Sony makes no mention of the calibration tool being specifically for HGIG, so I don't know what to think. As a B7 owner, I really don't know what I should be setting. Following the prompts on the ps5 left me with a good picture with (as far as I could tell) true blacks. I didn't hyper analyze it though.
Would be nice if people with TVs less than 5 years old weren't left out of the conversation when it comes to this stuff, but I digress.
Would be nice if people with TVs less than 5 years old weren't left out of the conversation when it comes to this stuff, but I digress.
He says what to do in the comments luckily. Follow Ps5 instructions for white points, and all the way down for black.
lol I'm at Warm2 as well. When I try Warm1... I see inaccuracies and switch it back. We can't have a Warm 1 vs Warm 2 poll without some curve ball dynamic contrast options lol
Same with my CX, HGIG mutes and dulls everything a bit more than I like. I'm keeping it off.
Honestly, sticking to DTM is the best decision I've made. Games look so much better. I don't give a shit for accuracy if it's aesthetically displeasing for me.
So make the white points "barely visible" and don't overshoot it by 1 click?
I have set the 'Mastering peak' to 1000 in the HDMI signaling override menu. With the 1000nit metadata DTM maps to that instead of the default of 4000nits. You can then do the consoles HDR calibrition once and switch between DTM on/off as you please.
Thanks for posting this thread. I finally got a PS5, and the advice here helped me quickly dial in settings. I'm finally seeing what all the fuss is about with HDR. Demon's Souls and Miles Morales look fantastic on my CX.
huh. I missed this comment, but this is interesting. How do you access the override menu?
To get to the HDMI signalling override menu you need to highlight the picture mode under the picture settings menu and press 1113111 on the remote.
I've only had my CX for a few weeks and just applied these settings a few nights ago, and I totally agree that it makes a huge difference for Demon's Souls. I'm also new to HDR, so I just assumed that the crazy contrast applied by dynamic tone mapping was the ideal presentation. Everything is so much more balanced now, yet colors pop more.
The only visual issue I've encountered with Demon's Souls is incredibly minor, which is some pixelated color gradients in 5-2 and a few other spots, usually when looking off into the distance. I'm not sure if that's the game or my TV, but I haven't messed around with trying to reduce it.
This is actually like what I get in Demon's Souls sometimes. I don't have the GOT UHD set, but I do remember that episode was infamously terrible from a PQ perspective when it first streamed. I would assume they'd clean it up for a 4K release, but maybe it wasn't totally fixable?
I am curious if this is an issue with the CX or just the source content though.
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I actually ended up asking the same question in another thread ( https://www.resetera.com/threads/ar...ray-players-on-their-own.350002/post-54765055 ) and it was suggested that this is a common issue with current OLED TV's in that there's banding in the darker grey colors (and as some pointed out it's a little discussed weakness with current OLED production). I haven't had time to test this out thoroughly myself yet but it seems likely to be the case.
I second that. In most cases DTM makes this whole HDR calibration thing obsolete. I get very good results with it turned on (without the hassel others go through.)
To me, DTM is kind of like night vision goggles mode for games. Sure, it makes things easier to see in instances where the character goes into a dark room or cave, for example, but the intent is for you to feel unease and not be able to see all the small details inside the dark room or cave.
It's like how laundry detergent is purposely made blue to makes whites appear whiter than they actually are, or how grass during sporting events is made to look almost neon green. It pops out and gets your attention, but it's a visual trick with the eye and not at all accurate.
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Aww, that's really disappointing. I just mentioned this in the thread you linked to, but I read a ton of reviews for the CX and don't remember a single one mentioning the banding issues. And it's really not a huge issue for me so far, but when I drop like $2k on a TV, I don't expect such a noticeable flaw. That said, I need to remind myself that I returned the X900H (a very solid TV in its own right) because it had bigger flaws than I what I see on the CX. I'm definitely considering trying out a Q80 though.
Another option to try out on LG OLED's without HGIG is to set white to 4000, or even 10000 (max), and black to 0, and just enable Dynamic Tonemapping, which already expects high nits. Except for 1000 nit content, no LG OLED TV will ever display the "director's intent" correctly, so HDR is a matter of preference.