Yeah I'm pretty sure it was on. It's not a setting I ever remember messing with, so if the default was on then probably. Still, regardless of what setting caused the change, it's dimmer lol
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HDTVTest "You've Been Doing PS5 [Adjust HDR] Wrong... Here's How to Get the Best Settings"
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Yes- it is on by default for game mode. While it results in a brighter image with more "pop" - it also doesn't follow EOTF and often results in clipped highlights. It'll be a bit of an adjustment, but keep in mind that now that you're following PQ, you're seeing what the developer/colorist/director intended for you to see, whether gaming or watching TV/film content.
Yeah I'll give it a shot for a bit and see how I feel. I honestly like the extra pop of color, I'm not too fussed if it's not accurate to the original color grading. I'm the one that spent $2K on the TV, so I just want whichever picture is more pleasing to my eye haha. But I'll stick with this for a bit and see how I feel
Truth be told, for gaming, it's really up to you. If you like the extra pop and don't care about clipped/crushed highlights, then knock yourself out. If you watch film content with it, though- well, then you're just a poo-poo head. ;)
Ugh. I still can't do HGIG. I gave it a good try last night, but I just hate how dim it looks. I know I know. Lighting conditions etc are important.. I don't always want to watch everything in a barely lit room though and even still it just looks drab to me. I used DTM and went through the same process though and it looks fantastic so this is were I'll stay for now.
I never heard of HGIG until today, unless there's a french equivalent maybe?
In any case I'm not sure my TV supports that (Samsung EU KS8000 from late 2016), so I've been following the PS5 instructions and I think things look great (have only played Astro and Demon's Souls so far).
I'm still surprised everyday by how nits this TV has lol, it's crazy
In any case I'm not sure my TV supports that (Samsung EU KS8000 from late 2016), so I've been following the PS5 instructions and I think things look great (have only played Astro and Demon's Souls so far).
I'm still surprised everyday by how nits this TV has lol, it's crazy
Nothing wrong with using DTM if you don't mind the crushed/clipped highlights, but don't use it in conjunction with the HDR adjustment menu in the PS5. Just leave the PS5's HDR settings at defaults.
No real point in going through the process if you're using DTM. Guess you could turn DTM off and do it to get a good base level but not sure that really helps.
Why is there no real point? The same rules should apply for the setup, no? I make the first two images disappear and the last all the way down on the black level. Seems to do a good job to me? I've adjusted so much at this point though I may just perceive it as looking good. heh
huh.. okay. So there is no reason to adjust HDR settings on the PS5 if using DTM? This menu is literally only for those with HGIG displays? I guess my problem with all this is if a game doesn't support it, isn't it more of a pain in the ass to turn it on and adjust at a per game level than it is to just turn on DTM and leave it be?
It's for HGIG displays or those with Dynamic Tone Mapping set to "Off".
With Dynamic Tone Mapping "On", the tone mapping is... Dynamic, lol. It varies from scene to scene so a calibration tool isn't going to do much.
Okay fair enough. I realize it says dynamic in the name, but I don't perceive it constantly adjusting from scene to scene.
Well, because it's dynamic. The TV is altering the image to give you a punchier image that shows your TVs capabilities better.
It's done temporally so it's not harsh cuts. So setting white points in games peak brightness , etc is only going to have a limited effect (or maybe sets a starting point?) as the TV is going to take the image and push up the highlights, increase contrast, etc.
It's image enhancing just like dynamic contrast and all those other settings on TVs. Some people like to use those to make the image more appealing to them and others like to get as close to artist intent as possible. Both approaches are equally valid.
The video is about the second approach.
I realize the videos intent, but I do appreciate your explanation, so thank you. It bothers me that I don't like the results with HGIG actually, because my heart wants the most accurate picture possible. But my eyes say DTM is the way to go, with games at least. I want to like it with HGIG enabled, but I just....don't. To the point where I feel like I must be doing something wrong. I was hoping these adjustments would have changed my mind. :(
Yeah, LG C9 here.
I hear you.
Maybe next time you're starting a new game you could try it with HGIG for the first few hours and then change to DTM to compare? It's hard to change these things once you're used to something. I still can't get into warm2
Either way, they both have advantages.
I had some time to check my settings yesterday and here what I am using.
PS5 set to PC - LG CX 55"
PS5 RGB Range - Full
TV Black Level Low
DTM ON
Everything looks crisp and colorful.
When I switch to Black Level High, everything turns washed out grey and and I have to lower the in game brightness to make it look okay. For example Spiderman Resmatered, Contrast at 8 and Brightness at 34.
PS5 set to PC - LG CX 55"
PS5 RGB Range - Full
TV Black Level Low
DTM ON
Everything looks crisp and colorful.
When I switch to Black Level High, everything turns washed out grey and and I have to lower the in game brightness to make it look okay. For example Spiderman Resmatered, Contrast at 8 and Brightness at 34.
That's weird. Someone who understands the levels better might chime in but I think you should be getting pretty bad black crush with those settings.
Ahhh. Could be wrong but it seems Samsung don't actually have DTM either, no idea if they use something similar by a different name as many of the brands seem to but if they do I suppose whatever would be the equivalent was turned off on mine.
Edit: ah, it appears to be a bonus of Dolby Vision? In that case I guess its unavailable on samsungs with PS5 unless they add HDR10+ support
Ha, yeah, the Warm2 thing took me a bit, but I have fully converted. I still think the preset is a *tad too warm on the C9, but better / more accurate than Warm 1, so Warm2 it is.
The TV and PS5 should match. Very important! Since you are running in PC mode, switch them both to Auto and you should be good.
Anyone have a Sony A1E with best settings to use? Since it's an LG panel, I assume I can use similar settings to the lg cx?
I was on the same boat until I put the PS5 RGB range to full and tv black level to high after that I ran the PS5 HDR calibration again and it looked way better than before. I have the contrast set at max in game and brightness at 40. HGIG looks worse in any case so I set DTM On.
With the PS5 and the CX, you should leave black level and RGB range both to auto.
I'm the most open minded for tv settings , as myself I don't like these tips from professional usually. But buying a CX and not calibrating the black level on your two device accordingly is a big no no. It's called crushed black. Get away from this
So I'm pretty new to the 4k/HDR TV game, but being an anxious motherfucker I have invested a lot of time into understanding how this shit actually works. Based on my findings, I think the on/off comparisons between HGIG/DTM is problematic no matter how your PS5 or TV is calibrated. DTM is gonna look brighter (i.e "better" to most people) either way even if you're risking getting a double or triple tone mapped image.
I think it's better to calibrate HDR for both your TV and your console with HGIG on and use it for an extended period of time with multiple games until you get used to it. Then try to switch and see if the extra brightness is truly better.
I only have a PS4 pro at the moment, so I'll reserve my final judgement until the new consoles are in my possession.
I think it's better to calibrate HDR for both your TV and your console with HGIG on and use it for an extended period of time with multiple games until you get used to it. Then try to switch and see if the extra brightness is truly better.
I only have a PS4 pro at the moment, so I'll reserve my final judgement until the new consoles are in my possession.
I'm going to revert to my previous settings but still use Vincents approach.
HGIG is just too dim, so I'll turn DTM "OFF" and use Sonys HDR calibration with Vincents +1 approach and black level all the way down.
This gives a brighter display but not to the absurd levels of DTM ON. A nice compromise between HGIG and ON.
HGIG is just too dim, so I'll turn DTM "OFF" and use Sonys HDR calibration with Vincents +1 approach and black level all the way down.
This gives a brighter display but not to the absurd levels of DTM ON. A nice compromise between HGIG and ON.
Interesting. I enabled the HGIG option on my Q60T and the colors look better now. I don't see any DTM options though so not sure if its not available on this TV or it cannot be disabled.
Q60T user here. Enabling HGIG brightens the image for me as well. I looked around the other settings but I don't see anything related to DTM, maybe it doesn't have this setting.
Q60T user here. Enabling HGIG brightens the image for me as well. I looked around the other settings but I don't see anything related to DTM, maybe it doesn't have this setting.
Your settings are completely wrong. You have crushed blacks.
You want Low - Limited or High - Full.
From what I can tell DTM is a benefit of dolby vision so its not available for us. However, if Sony were to add HDR10+ support which is the Samsung open source version then it would have DTM.
Unfortunately virtually nobody has ever added HDR10+ support to anything. Outside of amazon prime I couldn't name anything else that supports it.
How does the main dashboard look for you? Bright and colorful, or dull?
Huh. Odd then. It doesn't appear to be active on Samsungs without HDR10+ support so I figured DTM was a part of the dolby counterpart. I guess with HGIG it's not much of a concern anyway at least
C9 owner here. It does have auto. You have to change the input icon to PC mode and then auto will be available.
You have to relabel the HDMI to PC in the home dashboard. Then the option shows up.
Just reiterating what everyone else says. Match the RGB/black level, recalibrate the console HDR HGiG stuff and per game brightness settings for games that have them. There's going to be nothing right about mismatching the RGB range of the PS5 and the TV.
If a game doesn't have in-game HDR controls then it is using the system level settings and therefore supports HGIG. That wasn't super common last gen but it will likely be the standard in very short order this gen and you are already seeing that in quite a few launch games.
Even if it doesn't use system-level HDR, most games have max luminance calibrations. If that is the case then you are still benefitting from HGIG. The downside here is that you will still need to use set the in game calibration.
Long story short- you can just set HGIG in your TV menu and leave it there.
I can say from personal experience it was a bit of an adjustment. In the case of AC Valhalla (which doesn't use the system level HDR and has a very controversial HDR implementation) I played it with DTM for quite a while. When I finally switched to HGIG it definitely looked more muted and my initial impression wasn't positive. However sticking with the game in HGIG I really appreciated the HDR approach and wouldn't go back now.
That menu isn't just for HGIG- it also applies to any standard, static HDR mode. DTM is the only thing it wouldn't apply to, because instead of following the standard PQ curve, DTM sets your white/black points dynamically based on what's being displayed on screen. This renders the HDR adjustment menu in the PS5 useless.
Anyone have the Game of Thrones 4K UHD set? Season 8, The Long Night episode... Looks kinda shit on my PS5 with clear jumps in gradient. I wonder if that's just how the film is encoded/compressed.
Tried adjusting the HDR black level back up again, change back to limited RGB/Black etc. but still severe color banding in the darkest scenes.
Tried adjusting the HDR black level back up again, change back to limited RGB/Black etc. but still severe color banding in the darkest scenes.
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So I have a question for you all about HGIG on my C9. Let's say I turn HGIG on and leave it on. What in game HDR adjustments should I be looking at for a brighter picture? Each game seems to handle these adjustments a little differently so it gets a little confusing. Basically what should I leave alone and what should I touch to fine tune on a per game basis? Thanks.
Either the one labled "brightness" or "paper white" increase these until you find the image easier to see in your environment.
If there are sliders, On a C9 the HDR brightness should be around 800 and Paperwhite should be 200-300 depending on preference. These numbers are for accuracy though, not necessarily brightness.
Honestly I hope 100% of games start adopting the system HDR setting on each console so we don't have to worry about changing settings on so many games.
If it has a max luminance/nits setting then set it at approximately 800 nits.
To adjust overall brightness it really varies depending on what settings the game includes. In AC Origins and Odyssey, for example, you would adjust Paperwhite to adjust overall brightness.