I should have edited my post after I finished watching the video. I'm glad I haven't replaced my reciever yet, I'll probably wait until 2022 once we know the Denon's don't have this issue the Series X.
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HDMI 2.1 Bug on 2020 AV Receivers Affects Xbox Series X but Not PS5
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I should have edited my post after I finished watching the video. I'm glad I haven't replaced my reciever yet, I'll probably wait until 2022 once we know the Denon's don't have this issue the Series X.
When people record audio, they filter out all the signals above 20 kHz or so, because that's about the limit of human hearing. Technically this is a form of lossy compression, but you are only losing parts of the signal you can't hear anyway. It might be audibly lossy to your dog, but not to you.
It seems plausible enough that image compression be lossy, but visually indistinguishable.
Audio can exceed what we can perceive, but I don't believe TVs have exceeded our range of vision.
But why use a lossy compression when the bandwidth is there not to?
My guess is that DSC may be necessary to enable 8K60. Since 8K is 4x the resolution of 4K, 8K60 would need as much bandwidth as 4K240.
If the chip is capable of 40GBPS, I would assume that using DSC is simply ensuring stability for users, who are bound to not use the correct cable, want to use a cable longer than what is in the box etc.
You'd like to think so, it's just whether that chip in the receivers is capable of it.
The general consensus appears to be with the chips, so likely no.
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The title is slightly misleading. there is nothing wrong with the xbox. It's the receivers who are wrong.
All very interesting but a infuriatingly complicated "standard" is HDMI now. So the chip in the AV amps and PS5 is a Panasonic/Nuvoton but what brand chip is in the XSX?
...and here I was like a fool hoping that all this shit would get simpler for people to enjoy and not more complex.
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I have no doubt clicks rained on him like like accolades over Hamilton's OG cast as a result ;)
It isn't solely about the range of what the eye can perceive, it's about the entire visual system, including your brain's processing of images.
Imagine you have two copies of a 4K image. You add a different pattern of completely random noise to them (think film grain). If you were shown the two images side-by-side and went pixel by pixel with a magnifying glass, you could see all the differences between the two.
However if you were shown the two full images one after another, they would look the same to your brain, because it is not trained to distinguish between noise patterns (and is arguably adapted to ignore them as much as possible).
Yeah, it's a shame that the "standard" keeps moving forward while breaking more and more as time goes on. It's stopped even being worth the trouble for me at this point.
I mean, the HDMI 2.1 spec was released 3 years ago, and announced almost 4 years ago. People have been waiting a while.
But only high end TV's are using 2.1 as of now right? It still seems early to me
This is all incredibly frustrating . I have an anthem 1120 hooked up to an Atmos system and no desire to replace it.
Hopefully an hdmi audio splitter that supports 4k/120 will hit the market in due course.
Or could MS make a software change to send a 32Gbs signal as that seems more stable?
The 55" LG C9 was around $1200 at the end of last year. So yeah, it's a higher end set, but we are not talking about something that is only being bought by Saudi princes.
Definitely, I agree. Just seems like there's always some kinks that have to be worked out though initially because there's so many variables at play
Let me get this straight... If I buy an LG CX next month, with the LG Soundbar thingy they throw in as a bundle, and hook up my S or get an X, does it fucks something up with the image? Can I have surround and 4k120hz? (Well I guess not from my 2070 super for now.)
The problem in this video applies to people who pass their signal through an HDMI 2.1 receiver, which can be avoided with eARC.
If you use a receiver/sound bar with eARC, then you can connect the console straight to the TV, and the receiver to a different (eARC) HDMI port and get full-quality sound.
I'd choose the 444 DSC signal over a 422 signal.
Especially as I don't own a faulty receiver.
Maybe Ms can have the 422 option affect HDR also for those people.
Stable? What exactly is unstable about the current output?
Also isn't that what the "Allow YCC 4:2:2" option is for in XSX video modes settings anyway?
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Problem is until it's truly having "the masses" utilize it they are only going to get so many real world test cases to debug
Yes... I assumed it would be a "tick here if your avr is having problems" type option.
Stable...wrong word. Functional-with-buggy-avrs. And I don't know, to the second part of your q.
This is what I'm doing. I have a PS5 connected to my new Sony 900H and then have eARC out to a Sony DH790. The TV passes my other devices (cable box and PC) to the receiver as well.
It's pretty nice. I can control the PS5 UI and media with my TV remote.
I tried bypass on CX but it made no difference. I also tried my Blu-ray player with atmos through eArc and don't get any lag. No idea what's going on but it it only happens on Series X.