Man..When they were on the roof cleaning it off, i got nervous as hell.
When dude got stuck, i said yeah hes done.
When dude got stuck, i said yeah hes done.
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HBO's Chernobyl |OT| Do you taste something metallic?
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Tough as shit episode. All those animals :(
Are we to assume that the 3000 or so people cleaning the roof died shortly in painful, agonizing deaths?
Are we to assume that the 3000 or so people cleaning the roof died shortly in painful, agonizing deaths?
How did the soldiers end up lifting some of the heavier debris? Doesn't seem like 90 seconds would be enough time, if it could even be done by hand.
There were two really great, memorable scenes in this episode. The first one is the opening, where the old Soviet woman rejects the soldier's request as she recounts each of her suffering. The other is the 90 seconds of terror on the rooftop, one of the most heart pounding scene I have watched.
Did they really have no better idea than bio robots? How about you attach a scrapper to a helicopter and scrap off the debris into the hole?
I thought the same. Big hanging scraper thing. But then the helicopters would fly directly over the core and fuck everyone inside up (like how the bio-robots were told not to look over the edge into it).
I think the intensity of Roentgens went up by proximity to reactor. If the helicopter was suitably high they can do 2 min sorties and switch out pilots. Better than sending 3000 men into agonizing death.
Hard episode to watch. Feel a little guilty enjoying this show so much given the subject matter. This show is quickly climbing my all-time ranks with BOB and The Wire. Really love Stellan Skarsgård's performance and I can't believe it took me so long to recognize him.
I would rather clean radioactive graphite off the roof of the reactor than go door to door killing domesticated animals. I struggle to think of a job I would dread more than that.
Nah, with this show you are giving life and memory to thousands and thousands of heroes who may otherwise be forgotten.
I haven't read anything like this. One thing to always keep in mind, particularly in the first 5-10 years after the accident there was an incredible amount of misinformation, both intentional propaganda and just plain wrong, made up, or assumed information.
However...
The firemen had the worst of it because they got a significant dosage for how long and how close they were. The 90 second limit was so people would get a significantly reduced amount in comparison. Most if not all likely did not suffer the fate of the firemen. However welcome to the great debate.. The Soviet Union's official confirmed death count was 31 people which we know is bullshit. Confirming if someone developed cancer 5 years after the fact as a result of being a liquidator or because people get cancer for all sorts of reasons is one of the more heatedly debated topics for good reason as people justifiably deserve benefits and care. With estimates ranging from several thousands to nearly a hundred thousand people to die as a direct result of Chernobyl.
I really don't think they could risk something that imprecise. A scraper would spread irradiated debris and particles with it as the helicopter pulled away. Not to mention the danger to the chopper crew that close to the core and the fact that they'd just be wacking pieces of graphite off the roof by swinging a scraper with a helicopter.
Holy shit I just read up on him and his brother is Josef Fares??? The infamous rant at E3 2017?
Jeez, the rooftop cleanup scene was tense as hell. The camera keeping on the one guy, the geiger counter spiking up and down as he gets closer to the edge, getting stuck and him noticing the shoe after getting back inside was really well done. I liked how in the after-show notes it has the line from Legasov about how under no circumstances should people be sent up there, nice little reminder after his desperation pushed him to suggest it.
Given what we've seen, that poor guy's foot is rotting off, right?
He also tripped and fell to his knees over the irradiated water, risking some getting in through the tear in the shoe. So it's not looking great for his foot.
This episode was amazing as usual. Incredible atmosphere and cinematography, haunting soundtrack, amazing attention to detail. Already top 10 GOAT status for seasons of tv and the best miniseries of all time.
Jared Harris the god for starring in the best show of 2018 and the best show of 2019.
Jared Harris the god for starring in the best show of 2018 and the best show of 2019.
The only thing preventing this from being a 10/10 is the British accents. Was there really no way to get Russian speaking actors? It's the same thing that drove me nuts in The Hunt For Red October.
I am incredibly ignorant when it comes to Russian actors so take it as nothing more, but possible actor unions are a factor here. With it being a joint production with HBO and Sky.
The first three episodes struck just the right tone, but episode four veered a bit into comical misery porn territory with the dogs. The first few scenes were devastating but the bit at the end with the puppies just pushed it over the edge. Sometimes less is more (an ethos the show has adhered to very well up to this point).
Fuck me, another insane episode. This show manages to bring dread and horror without even showing you the exact devastating results. We have already been informed of the absolute fucked nature of radiation exposure and we are left to fill in the blanks with people like the roof cleanup crew. Throw on top of that mechanical domesticated animal genocide and it becomes emotional torment on another level. Both the obvious and subliminal parallels to war are so well handled. The promise of your personal sacrifice benefiting the untold masses is a rallying cry as old as time. Yet, it is incredibly difficult to watch and digest. The final scene of the hospital of mothers and children absolutely crushed me. To think of the emotional and physical pain so many people experienced from this disaster is hard to comprehend.
Re: the accents. My personal opinion is I rather have a narrative dissonance of people not trying to replicate accents than have a cast butchering said accents. If an actor can deliver their lines more impactfully sans accent, then I will take that any day over clumsy attempts to be "authentic." We are watching TV after all.
Re: the accents. My personal opinion is I rather have a narrative dissonance of people not trying to replicate accents than have a cast butchering said accents. If an actor can deliver their lines more impactfully sans accent, then I will take that any day over clumsy attempts to be "authentic." We are watching TV after all.
I don't see how the offscreen killing of puppies is any worse than other things we've seen. Do you think that type of scenario didn't play out given that they did go around exterminating animals? It was yet another shitty thing that needed to be done.
It's actually one of my favorite co-op experiences ever. Real good if you can play it with a friend.
Humans are cheaper.
And no, they did not as this was the first time this happened. SMH
I hate to break it to ya, but some puppies were definitely liquidated
A plow at then end of a helicopter wouldn't work for several reasons. Most of all, you would have to fly over the reactor core to pull it in the correct direction, and secondly, you can't just pull a heavy plow with a helicopter. Either you have something light enough that the pull forward is counteracted by the lift of the helicopter, basically just churning the debris, or you have something so heavy, that tugging on it with a helicopter would make piloting it almost impossible. I am not some helicopter expert, but from what I gather, an ultra heavy load at the end of cables that you would have to essentially tug at, would be a disaster for the aircraft. It is not like trying to pull a car out of stuck mud with a big truck. You have to deal with all the complexities of flight. A heli yanking on a few hundred feet of cable and a heavy ass plow would probably just pull it to the ground first time.
Ehhhh i think the animal/pet lover in you is blinding you. What we saw did happen and in even worse ways based off the podcast of the episode. Hell, they could've even displayed the shots actually hit the animals and then whimper to death in front of our eyes. After the nightmare of decaying flesh that was the last episode I say the pet scenes are relatively tame.
If anyone is curious the National Chernobyl museum in Kiev has a remembrance book database that lists many of the liquidators, though it's not available in English, only Ukranian, shows some of their pictures and has other information about them (how much radiation they got, what happened to them, but I can't read that since it isn't in English).
http://memory.chornobylmuseum.kiev.ua/
As far as how many died, that's just something we don't know, lots of misinformation, from an absurdly low estimate of 31 up to 6+ thousand and more.
From what I've read the helicopters had no "radius," they were flying right over the core (I could be wrong but I haven't read about this supposed radius they were told to stay out of) The helicopter crew were even putting lead over things in the helicopters to protect themselves from the radiation.
You can read about the helicopters used for it here:
Lots of them ended up in graveyards with the firetrucks and things because of how contaminated they were from all the radiation exposure.
http://memory.chornobylmuseum.kiev.ua/
As far as how many died, that's just something we don't know, lots of misinformation, from an absurdly low estimate of 31 up to 6+ thousand and more.
From what I've read the helicopters had no "radius," they were flying right over the core (I could be wrong but I haven't read about this supposed radius they were told to stay out of) The helicopter crew were even putting lead over things in the helicopters to protect themselves from the radiation.
You can read about the helicopters used for it here:
Lots of them ended up in graveyards with the firetrucks and things because of how contaminated they were from all the radiation exposure.
Like, they already depicted all this horrific shit, but instead of leaving it there after they had already made their point (and well), they for some reason felt the need to put a "...and then they killed puppies!" cherry on top. It just read as comical to me.
but radiation is good for dogs, actually
So why didn't they? Because it would have been too much - too over the top. Sure it happened in real life, but that doesn't mean we need to see it. Our minds can fill in the blanks and oftentimes that can lead to a stronger response.
All the Dyatlov memes coming out of this show has been amusing to watch.
Erm. Puppies did die in reality. And i don't see how killing puppies offscreen is crossing a line or anything. It's "just" puppies. Compared to all the shit we've seen in this show, it's even quite tame for me.
Can someone with more spare time than me take this and shop Dyatlov over Homer and Akimov over Grimes?