Very cool, I'm interested to see how this turns out. Maybe this can be my excuse to sign up for HBO.
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HBO Drops First Look at Game of Thrones prequel series, "House of the Dragon"
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I'm kind of excited for this. I'm also curious how they plan to do it; it's a long history that moves through characters pretty fast.
Doesn't have much to do with this, since this is set in the past. But, it is worth noting that this book also is incomplete and waiting on a sequel. A sequel that I can only assume will never happen. The history is supposed to cover up to Robert's Rebellion, IIRC, and it stops well short.
So, the show is going to cover the book material and run out...and then what?
Doesn't have much to do with this, since this is set in the past. But, it is worth noting that this book also is incomplete and waiting on a sequel. A sequel that I can only assume will never happen. The history is supposed to cover up to Robert's Rebellion, IIRC, and it stops well short.
So, the show is going to cover the book material and run out...and then what?
The series is only cover Dance of Dragons material, apparently.
Oh, I see. Understandable, I suppose, but they'd better have some really good writers to flesh it out. And they'd better give Mushroom a big role. He's the best part of the whole book.
These are set photos, not in-camera screenshots. They'll be lit differently.
I'm willing to give the universe another chance, especially with D&D gone.
Not seeing the complaints with the costumes. They look pretty great to me. Detailed and book accurate, esp for Rhaenyra.
Ear rings also now exist (no one wore ear-rings in GoT).
That's interesting, I never noticed there were no earrings in GoT. I thought they existed in the books but can't find any.
ASOIAF is an incredible incredible story, as were the first 4 seasons of game of thrones. Despite the failures of the later seasons, there is no reason why this show couldnt capture the story as well as game of thrones did. Its a difficult task for sure and I doubt it will be as good as the first 4 seasons of GOT, but you shouldnt dismiss this incredible tale just because the later seasons of GOT were ruined by the people in charge.
Bro, it was just a kinda subpar season of television.
You said that HBO should sue the creators of a TV show because you didn't like the final season.
It was called out for the ridiculous comment that it was. And considering people involved with Game of Thrones were harassed and received death threats for that final season, maybe don't feed into that toxic rhetoric.
You can call me out without harassing me follow your own advice and don't support that behavior.
I'm assuming we'll get some fiery dragon action?
I just like watching the dragons nuke everything.
I just like watching the dragons nuke everything.
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You were called out in a non toxic manner for contradicting your own advice. Don't accusing me of gaslighting, that's super offensive.
Please stop responding to me if all you are trying to do is upset me or offend me.
I'm an ASOIAF book fan first and foremost, never cared much for the show at all, but House of the Dragon already, somehow, seems pretty interesting to me. Wonder how much of this series lore/story/characters will be strict to GRRMs written history of the Dance, and what will be changed...
It will really not look very different at all considering these are shots outside in the sun, official ones too. The pattern on both of them look like leopard patterns, while the Hightowers have what can pass off more as dragon scales. That isn't going to change and I hope it's not going to be a recurring pattern for the Targs, it really looks wrong.
Official photos taken by a set photographer though, not taken from the actual camera filming the scene. The lighting on these things is always more blown out than it appears on camera.
Oof. Anyway.
Everyone looks pretty great but Smith's character looks a bit off. I don't know if it's the wig or the fact that I just see Matt Smith.
Everyone looks pretty great but Smith's character looks a bit off. I don't know if it's the wig or the fact that I just see Matt Smith.
It will be interesting how they adjust the bigger picture stuff with respect to ages of characters. Are they going to have Olivia Cooke play Alicent Hightower and have a grown ass son?
I think they will stick to the Game of Thrones style where there are no big time skips and years are barely mentioned rather than like the Tudors where they tell the story in chunks and at the end you have Jonathan Rhys Meyer (33) and Henry Cavill (27) playing guys who are supposed to be in their mid fifties. ASOIAF isn't real history so they can freely play around with the timeline to suit their needs.
Although if HBO did it Tudors style they could do a better job with make-up.
I think they will stick to the Game of Thrones style where there are no big time skips and years are barely mentioned rather than like the Tudors where they tell the story in chunks and at the end you have Jonathan Rhys Meyer (33) and Henry Cavill (27) playing guys who are supposed to be in their mid fifties. ASOIAF isn't real history so they can freely play around with the timeline to suit their needs.
Although if HBO did it Tudors style they could do a better job with make-up.
In the OP's picture of Alicent she could be pass for being very good looking in her early late 30s or 40s. This is the medieval era too, so they're having their first kids at like 15-16 years old easily. So 30 years old she can have a 15 years old kid. They can easily justify her being in her mids 30s, kid is late teens. It takes VERY little makeup to age her like 10 years.
Without spoiling anything: Yes
Of course it depends on their CGI budget, so I hope the show is succesful, because there are supposed to be a LOT of dragons in this
I'm cautiously interested due to the source material. I will say that I'm not immediately sold with Matt Smith as Daemon. I actually don't know him through Dr. Who but through everything else he's done. He was excellent in The Crown. But, I always pictured Daemon as looking something like Nikolaj as Jaime, including their personality. Daemon is a sly bastard that you occasionally find yourself liking through his sheer charm and occasional honor.
However, Corlys Velaryon being black is something I'm definitely not sold on. Copying my previous post from an older thread:
As a black dude, diversity is great. But, I don't need a black dude that's a direct descendant of pure blood Aryans that are all about protecting their pure blood.
However, Corlys Velaryon being black is something I'm definitely not sold on. Copying my previous post from an older thread:
As a black dude, diversity is great. But, I don't need a black dude that's a direct descendant of pure blood Aryans that are all about protecting their pure blood.
i'll watch because I have HBO Max so why the fuck not but going in with super low expectations
didn't they film a pilot or two of other GOT spinoff shows and then just cancel them after seeing the pilot? Honestly I'm far more interested in seeing that, like how bad could it be that some execs watched it and said "WHOAH THIS IS EVEN TOO BAD FOR US, THE GUYS WHO BROUGHT YOU ZACK SNYDER CUT AND MORTAL KOMBAT!" hahaha
didn't they film a pilot or two of other GOT spinoff shows and then just cancel them after seeing the pilot? Honestly I'm far more interested in seeing that, like how bad could it be that some execs watched it and said "WHOAH THIS IS EVEN TOO BAD FOR US, THE GUYS WHO BROUGHT YOU ZACK SNYDER CUT AND MORTAL KOMBAT!" hahaha
Is there actually anything in all the books that says the Valyrians were white?
Hair and eyes described. Nothing about skin.
I believe it is only the Targaryen family, or primarily the Targaryen family, that was concerned with incestual breeding to keep their bloodline "pure". I want to say that the Valyrians overall were a more diverse group, in all liklihood. The Targs did not make up the whole of the Valyrians, just one family from Valyria.
So I don't see it as unreasonable to see a diverse group of Valyrians.
True, that quote comes from The World of Ice and Fire. And right next to it is a picture of Valyrians:
So, while its true that there could have been Valyrians of all different skin colors, it would seem to go against the commentary GRRM seems to be setting up. The only black dude in ASOIAF that has even a hint of "dragon blood" is Brown Ben Plumm.
Nah, the books seem to make clear that Valyrians were obsessed with blood and incest seemed pretty common.
From World of Ice and Fire:
"The tradition amongst the Targaryens had always been to marry kin to kin. Wedding brother to sister was thought to be ideal. Failing that, a girl might wed an uncle, a cousin, or a nephew; a boy, a cousin, aunt, or niece. This practice went back to Old Valyria, where it was common amongst many of the ancient families, particularly those who bred and rode dragons. "The blood of the dragon must remain pure," the wisdom went. Some of the sorcerer princes also took more than one wife when it pleased them, though this was less common than incestuous marriage. In Valryia before the Doom, wise men wrote, a thousand gods were honored, but none were feared, so few dared to speak against these customs."
And the Targaryens were a lower family in old Valyrian society, nowhere near the top or even that relevant. Thus, no one really cared when they fucked off to Westeros.
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She's ready to pop up!
Oh yes please...
I'm sure she will be there in some way.
I don't know anything about the character nor the actor but this is easily the most badass-looking character from all of GOT. In for this alone.
Steve Toussaint as Lord Corlys Velaryon, "The Sea Snake": Lord of House Velaryon, a Valyrian bloodline as old as House Targaryen. As "The Sea Snake," the most famed nautical adventurer in the history of Westeros, Lord Corlys built his house into a powerful seat that is even richer than the Lannisters and that claims the largest navy in the world.
That's Targaryens, not Valyrians. Which is probably exactly what is getting "fixed" with this show's take on race, and probably 100% approved by George. He has stated before he had thought of making the Targaryens black but walked back on it because of the implications of their behaviors, but the second logical step is to make it that Targs were one "royal" family among Valyrians, of which they are by then the last remnant of. Hence, no reason for Velaryons to look like Targs. Valyria could have been multi-cultural, and Velaryons aren't known for riding dragons.
It is also a lie since Daynes have purple eyes and sometimes blond hair. The backstory of the Bloodstone Emperor and Amethyst empress, which likely date to before Valyria, indicates the Bloodstone Emperor was also "the First Dayne", and judging by the name of the empress they all had common ancestors with purple eyes.
He's going to be a favorite. Looks alone he looks great, but his whole character is pretty much legendary. He is very likely to get his own prequel show.
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Her parents blood raven and shiera shestar have yet to be born
Wasn't it only the ruling dragonlords, ala the Targaryens, that were obsessed with blood purity?
The Velayron's weren't dragonlords. So why would they be protective of blood purity? They didn't ride dragons. They didn't rule in Valyria. They were lower level sailors and merchants, making their way to ports all around the freehold.
See above. I know he thought of originally making them black, but he didn't. And its likely he consciously instead chose to make them all-white as a commentary. We don't know for sure as we don't know a whole lot about Valyria. But, the Valyrians were all about blood purity, that we do know about.
Hmm, you know this is true. So, that could be a way to explain it. Of course, again, the lore reasons can easily be explained. The real question is whether any intended social commentary is destroyed by black Valyrians, unfortunately we can't know unless GRRM says something or finishes the damn series.
Doubt it because I think any such commentary would be done through the Targaryens as Valyria is too remote and ultimately if there was any to be made even about Valyrians it wouldn't have to be about skin color. I don't think George likes the idea of considering slavery in a medieval era as being a thing just white people did. Targs though, they are closer to "modern day" colonialists, and I think that's where the commentary would be done.
What I do hope the show will do is have at least some of the Targs show their racism.
And again George is involved with the show, and I am sure this whole topic is something they had a common vision on.
Well, the Valyrians were presumably destroyed through their practice of slavery and internal squabbles over blood. Like, its made a point that Braavos was founded former slaves of multi-ethnic/multi-cultural backgrounds. That itself feels like a commentary on Old Valyria.
But yeah, the real commentary could only come through the current Targs and whether being descended from a "pure" bloodline matters in the end.
As for Targ racism in the show, I'm not sure why that would happen. ASOIAF is based on heavily medieval Europe and practices, And medieval Europe didn't really have racism as we know. In fact, medieval Europe was far more diverse than most shows and films portray it as. The Targaryens care about their bloodline remaining "pure," but they don't discriminate based on skin color. They discriminate based on family lineage. And if you don't got ties to Old Valyria then you are beneath them.
Hell, that's why despite Tywin Lannister coming from an old family bloodline in Westeros and despite him being a perfect Hand of the King to Aerys, King Aerys still viewed him as a servant and denied a marriage to Rhaegar. Of course there were other factors at play, including Aerys jealousy. But his words resonated with Tywin as it still had truth, no matter high Tywin climbed his family would only ever be seen as beneath the Valyrian blood.
