I think Akira uses a mix of 1s, 2s and 3s, a lot of times within the same cut of animation. I'm fairly certain the same is true for most Ghibli films.
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Hayao Miyazaki’s new Studio Ghibli movie is years away from completion
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Given the number of mechanical elements in the movie, you could probably get away with animating them on 2s and 3s because they're more rigid and don't require the fluidity and save the effort for the characters and CLOTHS (Kaneda removing the cover from his bike still looks so damn smooth)
It's a combination of things including multiple layered vistas where the most background elements weren't as detailed or well animated but there are like a half dozen layers of incredible artwork so you don't even notice. Just seeing the art work they created and you only catch a small snippet of it in a single shot is fucking insane.
I feel there is mistranslation/miscommunication at play here and they're instead referring to the amount of layers for a single frame of finished film, that's what I'm referring to. There would be more paper involved and it wouldn't surprise me if they equate that to mean more "frames".
It would be incredibly odd for Ghibli to animate on ones.
As for Disney 2D animation it is mostly done on twos actually ("12fps"), but like with all hand drawn animation it varies depending on the scene.
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Exactly. For example, alternating between moving the character(s) on one frame and then moving the background effect (like an explosion or dust) or even the camera on the next frame is a pretty common technique.
Totoro was made in 8 months? Incredible. That must have been grueling though.
I hope these talented animators and artists are getting compensated appropriately.
I hope these talented animators and artists are getting compensated appropriately.
That's cool, if Studio Ghibli plays their cards right, this movie will end up being a historical landmark.
It's all being done digitally now though. I don't think they'd refer to cells or layers as frames when they're different things, but all we can do is wait and see when this comes out (whenever that might be)
It will probably be his final film so makes sense. Seems like he might want his son to take over?
That's the impression I got when reading that interview. Something isn't adding up.
The actual animation would still be done traditionally and then digitally inked and coloured using Toonz (assuming they still use that software).
Most of the time when animating different characters/elements they'd be on different pieces of paper.
But yeah, we'll have to wait and see how it turns out.
It had also external assistants from Anime Toro Toro , Dragon Production and Studio Fantasia. Though still there were far fewer. Eg Mary and the Witch flower had 10x times more studios and animators.
Funny you should mention that, since reading down a bit in the article reveals that Goro came back to Ghibli to start up work on a new film:
60 animators only being able to do 1 minute a month sounds nuts. I know nothing about animation, but is that normal?
This is a good video that's just over a minute long to help people get an idea of shooting in 1s, 2s & 3s etc. As he explains, the classic Disney movies are usually ones (24fps), things like WB and TV are twos, and anime on threes. Generally speaking. Although animators can and usually do mix it up, like using a higher fps for action scenes.
If they're animating an entire movie with high detail on ones (24fps), that's why it's going to take forever.
If you're talking about traditional animation of paper then onto cels and then hand painted, it is way more expensive for TV than both the digital coloring Disney created in the 90s and the all-digital 2D animation that's popular now (see Ducktales and the new Looney Tunes). If it was cheaper to do it traditionally, they'd still do it traditionally. It's why pretty much every show (I think now every show) is done with computers in some extensive fashion.
Movies... I'm not sure. CGI films are really expensive, I think a mix of paper drawing and digital compositing might be cheaper, but generally (outside Ghibli films and stuff like Your Name/Weathering With You) CGI films are thought to make better bang for the buck. It's also much easier to edit a CGI/Computer-animated film, which is Disney's excuse for why they only do CGI now.
It's definitely not easier to do than modern animation by any means.
Traditional animation, like claymation, is insanely time intensive (did you ever see the Parks and Rec joke about a depressed character making claymation on unemployment?). That being said, either the way they're doing it is more labor intensive or they have less staff on the project (or, perhaps, giving staff more time off), because I don't think Laika or Golden Age Disney take/took nearly this long for their projects.
There are still film studios doing hand drawn animation. Cartoon Saloon, for one.
I am so happy, seeing an artist touch in each frames instead of the rendered 3d crap you see today.
I wasn't aware about Cartoon Saloon so I'll check it out. Thanks for the recommendation!
Edit: Ohhh, so they're a animation studio that specializes in hand drawn projects. Cool cool.
If you aren't also aware of it, check out Klaus by SPA Studios. It's on Netflix.
It's the film that should've beat Toy Story 4 at the Oscars...
Alright! I've wrote it down and I might check it out later tonight. Thank you Xun!
Goro's gonna regret that once dear old dad gives his opinion lol
Since it's CG it might be Polygon Pictures / Ghibli again, just like that Ronja TV show he did.
I think they've since patched things up, but it'll still be a hell of a end of a era to see the Ghibli logo in front of CG feature film.
I can't imagine that it's fun to work months on one second of animation only to start over again with the next second the following month.
It'll be his final film until it isn't. Til he's actually dead I can see him always unretiring for something that comes into his mind.
I got his general point about Goro being thrust into a director role before he was really capable of doing it, but I feel like the insane stress that occurred as a result of how much of a mess the entire production of Howl's Moving Castle he had to deal with made him lash out a lot harsher than he normally would have. Not that he isn't still noted for how harsh he can be even now (someone is dying to post that GIF, I'm sure), but his criticisms there didn't feel like they were coming from the best of places, regardless of how one ultimately felt Tales from Earthsea turned out.
No worries! I hope you enjoy it.
Yeah, I think couple him meticulously checking things back with his older age and it's easy to see why it would take so long.
I'd rather the movie wasn't as "perfect" if it meant we got more stories and the studio wasn't at risk all the time.
I'd take The a Wind Rises any day over Your Name.
Shinkai ain't got shit on Miyazaki. He's an impressive visualist who needs to find somebody else to write his stuff.
Hm id agree with you generally. Not sure about TWR's being that great though compared to previous works.
I mainly referenced Your Name as it outgrossed Spirited Away and got a ton of accolades.
I don't even think TWR is that great. I just don't think much of Your Name.
Wow, sounds like it's going to be visually very stunning! Although based on the synopsis of the novel this film's based off of, I'm getting vibes it's gonna feel similarly to As The Wind Rises. Wasn't much of a fan of that one, so I'm not sure how excited I am about this. Still, I hope the work goes well and he's able to accomplish everything he wants with it.
I admit I had hoped he would tackle one last stunning fantasy epic like some of his older works before he finally retired for real, for real, but... Realistically I know this will probably be his last one. Man, gonna be real bittersweet when he puts his pen down for good. ;w;
I admit I had hoped he would tackle one last stunning fantasy epic like some of his older works before he finally retired for real, for real, but... Realistically I know this will probably be his last one. Man, gonna be real bittersweet when he puts his pen down for good. ;w;
This has been described as a "big fantasy film", so we shall see.
I'm not getting my hopes up, but like with all of his adaptations I think he's only going to loosely base it on the original story.
Oh, huh! Well that could be cool if he finds a way to inject some interesting fantasy elements into it. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out then, see how it turns out. :O
Yeah, I don't think they are making film based on the novel. The protagonist is connected somehow to the original novel. This came out in some documentary about Ghibli (probably the one posted here already).
edit. " The original book by Yoshino will have significant meaning for the main character in the film."
edit2. https://ani.me/posts/3475-Hayao-Miy...Ikiru-ka-Might-be-Released-in-Two-Three-Years
