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Have we reached the point where there’s diminishing returns for graphics? Most if not all these games from PS5 event look like they could be PS4 games
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This legit looks like a linear progression to me:
It's a gradual and consistent progression into the legitimately Dreamworks CGI level visuals we're seeing today.
Ratchet becomes cuddlier and cuddlier each game. :3 Original Ratchet looked rough though...
I wasn't. Because I wasn't talking about the actual games when they released, the downgradathons were real, I was talking about the graphics hype going into the next gen. People say here that everyone's always disappointed about the jump in graphics when the new console gen is revealed, when that emphatically wasn't the case with this gen (nor any previous ones). It's just that we are now getting to a point of diminishing returns.
I do not see diminishing returns in graphics. The PS5 games shown off, even at 30 fps, looked a lot better than all PS4 games. A lot.
I agree that they look better - as it would be strange otherwise all things considering. But not by "a lot".
I'm not even considering resolutions or framerate at this point, just pure graphics comparisons. So far the only truly "next gen" showcase remains the UE5 demo. And Project Athia to a degree I guess.
If we're just talking about graphics, then Sony's AAA first party titles clearly look better than what the PS4 can handle, and these are early gen games. Games will look even better as the gen progresses. If we're talking about hardware on PS5 facilitating game design that could not be done on PS4, then that was clearly demonstrated with Ratchet and Clank. I'm sure Spider-Man and Horizon will also use the SSD for improvements that could not be done on PS4.
Get your eyes checked. The jump in detail and lighting is easily as big as the jump from PS3 > PS4.
I agree, and it was noticeable immediately. The detail, density, and lighting and particle effects look far better than PS4 games, I don't see how someone can say different.
they showed some gameplay but it didnt looked as next gen. but my guess is probably something like this
Assassin's Creed Unity Remastered | Xbox Series X Graphics with DirectX Ray Tracing Technology
if Assassin's Creed Unity Remastered Xbox Series X Graphics with DirectX Ray Tracing Technology Assassin's Creed Unity Remastered for Ray-Tracing Support. th...youtu.be
Yeah, I only watched the Spiderman, Horizon, and Ratchet ones when I made that comment. The games that showed gameplay were significantly less impressive. They looked like maxed out PC games. I just started playing RDR2 again, and finally got to St Denis and I am honestly more impressed with that game than any of the gameplay graphics that were shown. RDR2 maxed out at 4K on PC is jaw dropping at times.
Aren't those links not working?
PS5 and Xbox Series X Will Hit a Graphics Dead-End
The PS5 and Xbox Series X may not have the big leap in graphical fidelity that we're used to with previous console generations.www.ccn.com
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Not gameplay:
Gameplay:
Tell me whats wrong about this pls?
...You didn't see the Ratchet and Clank gameplay in that space?
PS4 jump was big due to moving to x86 and modern PC GPUs after 7-8 years on the 360/PS3.
First gen 360 / PS3 games looked terrible.
I totally agree.
Sometimes I wonder if I watched the same trailers as the folks that are unimpressed. 😂 BTW, I loved you guys' analysis of the PS5 presentation, it was fun to watch and very funny (Chad Warden: BAAALLIN'!)
But why didn't they show us gameplay footage instead of cinematic stuff (that many here rightly mistook for prerendered stuff) ? They did show us gameplay scenes when they revealed the first game. Weren't people blown away by what they showed back then ? Why not doing the same here ? I don't understand.
Because Horizon has reached a level of IP popularity that it can afford to be "air quote" arrogant, and have its gameplay reveal be used to strengthen another conference/showcase/State of Play.
I have the opposite view of most in here, I think this is the biggest generational leap we have ever had, and the games are already showing it imo.
The show very much exceeded my expectations graphic wise since all games shown where in native 4k. The UE5 demo had me worried about the potential graphical leap because it was 1440p. However the UE5 demo also demonstrated that non 4k can look just as good and depending on what the developers want to push they may opt for 1440p pushing cgi graphics or with dynamic checkerboard resolutions.
The show very much exceeded my expectations graphic wise since all games shown where in native 4k. The UE5 demo had me worried about the potential graphical leap because it was 1440p. However the UE5 demo also demonstrated that non 4k can look just as good and depending on what the developers want to push they may opt for 1440p pushing cgi graphics or with dynamic checkerboard resolutions.
Ratchet and Clank alone is doing shit that would melt a PS4Pro.
The only possible way I can think of to "fake" it is to essentially lower the amount of assets in the jump and the quality of the assets and pre-load two sets of assets at once. Then on top of that make the time between those jump sequences much, much longer. But then you'd lose the intent of feeling like theres complete chaos going on with the rapid world switching.
The only possible way I can think of to "fake" it is to essentially lower the amount of assets in the jump and the quality of the assets and pre-load two sets of assets at once. Then on top of that make the time between those jump sequences much, much longer. But then you'd lose the intent of feeling like theres complete chaos going on with the rapid world switching.
Of course it happened, I mean claiming the 360 was "Xbox 1.5" was a thing for a good while on message boards and whatnot.
Was part of that because they released it only 4 years after the OG Xbox?
Not really, back then 4.5 years was more or less standard, also that'd mean low expectations while people were expecting way more from "Xbox 2", obviously we now how that turned out with more amazing looking games the more time passed
Remember everyone saying they would just keep their 360 because there's no reason to ever upgrade?
Isn't 90% of the problem that we're seeing it all through not great quality streams? The still images I've looked at look pretty great.
Again as pointed out in the past that wouldn't have mattered. Stream quality good or bad you could see a generational leap. It's getting harder and harder to tell the differences.
Every single generation I swear. Go watch those trailers in 4K on the Playstation Youtube channel and then come back here and claim the same thing. Ratchet & Clank looks supremely impressive, and Horizon II is possibly the most impressive piece of interactive media I've ever witnessed, and I also play on PC. The amount of on screen detail is simply staggering. The PS4 would melt trying to run those games at that level of detail, let alone at 4K native resolution. Two other very good looking games are Kena and Stray and those are supposed to be crossgen even. I thought GT7 was a true beaut as well, especially considering it was running at a super smooth 60 fps.
It does matter in this case because a lower bitstream and resolution destroy all the details that define the next gen leap. All those particle effects in R&C turn into noise on that stream.
It does matter in this case because a lower bitstream and resolution destroy all the details that define the next gen leap. All those particle effects in R&C turn into noise on that stream.
We probably reached diminishing returns on character models, especial in static pictures. Things that could use a lot of improvements there are hair, cloth physics and more realistic facial animations, more to do with how they move than how they look. With environments though, there's still a lot of room for improvements there.
Nothing I saw looked like something worthy of getting a PS5 at launch.
I do have a question in regards to the Ratchet & Clank portal stuff. How is that different from the portal stuff we have seen in original Prey, Portal 1 & 2, The Evil Within 1 & 2, or any other game where when you turn the camera around, it's a whole different map?
I do have a question in regards to the Ratchet & Clank portal stuff. How is that different from the portal stuff we have seen in original Prey, Portal 1 & 2, The Evil Within 1 & 2, or any other game where when you turn the camera around, it's a whole different map?
right, i think people either just watched the launch stream or didnt go and look at the 4k videos..
this is bullshit.
its extremely improved. i really think people have some crazy recency bias on the older games. you look back and its apparent immediately there is a lot thats been added.
I wasn't surprised by the games either, as expected. Everyone expected a huge graphical leap, but this was not there. Horizon 2, which is often mentioned as an example for a spectacular game, has no gameplay footage. They are cutscenes rendered by the PS5, so expect hefty downgrades for gameplay. In the trailers shown, there were also things that were sloppy, such as ugly PS3-level blades of grass in Gran Turismo 7 and not so successful rendering of hair textures in Pragmata.
The only thing that fascinates me for now is the tactile "DualSense" controller and the fact that Solid State Drives (SSD), which has been around for almost thirty years, will finally be properly supported.
Did anyone go to all that trouble to compare the images of Resident Evil VIllage to Resident Evil VII?
The only thing that fascinates me for now is the tactile "DualSense" controller and the fact that Solid State Drives (SSD), which has been around for almost thirty years, will finally be properly supported.
Did anyone go to all that trouble to compare the images of Resident Evil VIllage to Resident Evil VII?
The ironic thing is: Spider-Man Miles Morales, Sackboy! A Big Adventure and Horizon: Forbidden West are all three PS4 games too, apparently. Maybe we won't see the real graphic benefits of PS5 until later.