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Harvard rescinds admission to Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv over past racist comments
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You aren't wrong and his punishment does fit the crime, when I was talking about it (growth, people changing, 16 etc) I just was coming from the perspective of being hopeful that people can change and that people like him still have time to change. It could very easily just be ignorant wishful thinking on my part. When I analyze the circle hes in (I did some reading since I first posted), they are all playing the victim card for him so how is he going to learn from being a hateful racist teenager when everyone around him tells him HES the victim.
Here is a link to this kid's appearance today on Fox News. Good luck getting the video to work -- I couldn't get it to work on mobile Safari or Firefox. It finally loaded in Edge.
I don't think they were really that harsh with him, and let him get away with just blaming his comments on the particular peer group he was in at the time. He also says he has been targeted by the alt-right for his opposition to racism, and that he has condemned racism at every public opportunity.
The Fox News host also vaguely implies that the Admissions board should have let him in just because the Harvard Diversity Office said "We accept your apology". Which is bullshit, because the e-mail from the diversity office was just an absolute brush off. "Thanks for your letter, we appreciate your thoughts and reflections."
When they ask him why he thinks the Admissions board still turned him down when the Diversity Office "forgave" him, he pulls a Trump-classic weasel movie. "Some people are saying political bias..." Ahhhh, good ol' Some People...they say a lot of things, don't they?
I don't think they were really that harsh with him, and let him get away with just blaming his comments on the particular peer group he was in at the time. He also says he has been targeted by the alt-right for his opposition to racism, and that he has condemned racism at every public opportunity.
The Fox News host also vaguely implies that the Admissions board should have let him in just because the Harvard Diversity Office said "We accept your apology". Which is bullshit, because the e-mail from the diversity office was just an absolute brush off. "Thanks for your letter, we appreciate your thoughts and reflections."
When they ask him why he thinks the Admissions board still turned him down when the Diversity Office "forgave" him, he pulls a Trump-classic weasel movie. "Some people are saying political bias..." Ahhhh, good ol' Some People...they say a lot of things, don't they?
I mean a good chunk of the American population are convinced Trump is the real victim in America right now. You're not wrong. It's not just about vicious circles, it's about a large section of the population preferring lies over reality.
Not sure if already posted but FYI in 2017 they rescinded at least 10 admissions for the same reason.
I agree with you. My issue with how some people are reacting is that they aren't giving him a chance to redeem himself. When I was in high school I didn't say bigoted things and I sure as hell didn't type anything like...whatever the hell that was, but I definitely said edgy shit to get a laugh or a rise out of people. I cringe at things I said at seventeen. This kid will grow up and change and learn from his mistakes. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that Harvard can't rescind their acceptance. I don't know if I agree with their call, but it's a punishment for his action, and I believe that will help him learn from his mistakes.
I know nothing about this kid. Before opening this thread I didn't know he was pro-gun or whatever, but regardless of that, let him grow, let him change, let him be a better person. If he repeats behavior like this, then we can have a conversation, but I'm always in favor of giving teens the benefit of the doubt so long as they aren't doing anything truly reprehensible.
Edit: I've had my mind changed. I was wrong. I apologize for coming across as if I was defending racism or anything similar to that. I should have done more research into the kid. I didn't realize he was in the Shapiro crowd. I need to take my own advice and work to be better.
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To be honest I don't think this kid is cut out for the right wing grift lifestyle. He'd be better off embracing it and doing a "FREE SPEECH, EXPELLED FOR TRUTH" routine
On one hand it's difficult to accept institutions holding one's comments as a child accountable in their application.
On the other hand he said some pretty reprehensible things that weren't too far in the past and should be held accountable. On this same hand he's a deplorable person who has used the traumatic event as a stepping stone for a career in conservative commentary.
No one is entitled to Ivy League education. They're well within their rights to turn him away. And he is a particular instance of a figure they do right to turn away.
On the other hand he said some pretty reprehensible things that weren't too far in the past and should be held accountable. On this same hand he's a deplorable person who has used the traumatic event as a stepping stone for a career in conservative commentary.
No one is entitled to Ivy League education. They're well within their rights to turn him away. And he is a particular instance of a figure they do right to turn away.
TWENTY FIVE?!
I'd moved (been kicked out really) out of my house at sixteen and had to get a job and finish high school and eventually put my own ass in college.
Twenty FIVE!?
Also even if I accepted racism and actual naziism were understandable for an immature 16 year old then I'm afraid I still have to point out that your immaturity, racism, hatred, anti-semitism and utter lack of awareness are what cost you a shot at Harvard. I mean, there's no way to slice this that gives that kid any special forgiveness that gets him a hugely privileged college placement and frankly I hope his parents are realizing that supporting their racist kid's brief stint as an unpaid NRA cheerleader and opponent of common sense safety in the wake of the deaths of those children, is on them too.
There are kids with squeaky clean reputations that still wait on pins & needles to see whether Harvard would actually accept them. Why should I be upset that a racist got denied?
No.
He had his chance, but he close to be a right wing grifter. He doesn't have the capacity to be a better person.
Regurgitating hateful rhetoric that calls for violence against select groups of people is pretty fucking reprehensible. Really not understanding why this is so damn hard to comprehend.
There are victims to his words who frankly deserve far more sympathy than what this "kid" has garnered.
The sad thing is this pushback is to veil the fact that Harvard have produce some of the worst humans on the planet in the last century like Kissinger by suggesting that was simply a product of long ago times.
I mean, he's actively doubling down on it with the "poor me" victimhood shit. He's learned nothing, he hasn't showed any real forward momentum or reflection. He hasn't done anything as even as penance but mostly to learn and grow.
I wasn't an anti-semite racist when I was a kid. Were you?
I think I said it about once or twice when I was 9 or 10 when some new kids move to the block, said it, I repeated it to my old man who basically said he'd knock my head off if I said it again and that was that.
Typically the only kids saying it in high school didn't change for the better. He dug his own grave with this one
Typically the only kids saying it in high school didn't change for the better. He dug his own grave with this one
This is bullshit. If the kid wants a second chance, he can get one, but the path to it isn't handed to him, it's earning it. If there was any hint of contrition, remorse, any of it, I could see an argument even if I have a different position personally. Nothing in his response has even remotely shown any of that.
Also, we might need to have a discussion if open promotion for the gun manufacturers' lobby in the wake of their products massacring your classmates doesn't qualify as "truly reprehensible" for you.
Yeah like...maaaaaannn I get the idea the teenagers do and say stupid shit, and parrot what they're told, etc. I grew up in Mormon household FFS. But there comes a point where it's apparent whether or not someone is of the kind of character that sees the bullshit of that upbringing, or when they're gonna double down on it. I broke free at about 20 years old. This dude seems like he's all in on being a fuckface. Goodbye.
This is the teachable moment. It just happened. Maybe he'll get better. But he hasn't shown that he's learned anything.
But, for real though? Fuck racists. Forever. I don't give a fuck what happens to racists. 18 or 80. I hope nothing but bad things happen to them.
But, yeah, good on you for giving racists the benefit of the doubt. They've definitely done nothing to earn or deserve it.
I'm ok with every college out there deciding whether or not someone can attend based on their social media posts or online post history. How hard is it not to be a racist, xenophobic asshole? If you're a conservative, probably impossible, but a university is not obligated to accept you.
That's another good point. If Harvard gives him a spot and says, ok we forgive you, wtf has this kid learned about consequences? "Getting mass shootered and being a virulent racist and actual Nazi holocaust supporter and then fighting common sense gun safety on Fox ends in a Harvard education!"
These are not my lulz I'm afraid.
Further, if a couple of dim witted teenagers panic when they see this story and stop tweeting hateful racist trash - then he'll have done more good in his failures than he ever did with his success.
These are not my lulz I'm afraid.
Further, if a couple of dim witted teenagers panic when they see this story and stop tweeting hateful racist trash - then he'll have done more good in his failures than he ever did with his success.
"You're not allowed to go to an ivy league university if you're white and say the n-word" is fine rule. There are a lot of amazing students out there that haven't said the n-word, those are the types of kids who should get to go to a school like Harvard.
This clown can just go to worse school and hopefully he'll have learned his lesson.
Also fuck this kid for his "this was before the shooting" bullshit. Most people don't need to experience a mass shooting to not be a racist piece of shit. School shootings are awful but to use that event as some kind of get out of jail free card is disrespectful beyond belief to his fellow survivors.
This clown can just go to worse school and hopefully he'll have learned his lesson.
Also fuck this kid for his "this was before the shooting" bullshit. Most people don't need to experience a mass shooting to not be a racist piece of shit. School shootings are awful but to use that event as some kind of get out of jail free card is disrespectful beyond belief to his fellow survivors.
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Not only is he too racist for Harvard, this clearly shows how he was also way too stupid for Harvard. What a shitbag dope.
Yeah...I'm really wondering what the people defending this expect him to learn when the punishment has just been doled out. That's how we know he'll learn (but most likely just learn how to hide his racism better) how he responds to this setback.
The interview isn't a good look.
Fuck him.
Yeah, maybe you shouldn't have been accepted into Harvard either.
Bitch ass ain't gonna learn anything meaningful either way. He'll just remember to not say that nasty shit online going forward.
Maybe folks will stop behaving as if this kid deserves special treatment now.
Out spoken voice against gun control isn't and shouldn't be a disqualifying criteria for any university
It really bears repeating that Kyle joined Turning Point USA, an organization whose members and leadership have a persistent habit of being openly racist, associating with white supremacists, and defending Hitler. You'd be a fool to think he's sincerely penitent for his past behavior.
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No, just like you I was perfect.
lol, so apparently the binary here is "racist" or "perfect".
Good to know that's the kind of person you are.
Ironically, one of the ways to repair their reputation is to stop admitting people who said vile, racist, anti-semitic shit two years ago.
"Who among us weren't pieces of shit racists at 16 that repeatedly used the N-word?" Uhhh, decent people who aren't/weren't racists?
There's a difference between doing stupid things as a teenager and being an abhorrent racist piece of shit who uses the n-word 11 times in a row. The gulf between "I made poor choices and had to repeat a couple of classes because I didn't do homework because I instead spent all my time playing Starsiege Tribes" and being so shitty of a human being to repeatedly use the n-word (in group conversations no less) is an ocean-sized gulf.
There's a difference between doing stupid things as a teenager and being an abhorrent racist piece of shit who uses the n-word 11 times in a row. The gulf between "I made poor choices and had to repeat a couple of classes because I didn't do homework because I instead spent all my time playing Starsiege Tribes" and being so shitty of a human being to repeatedly use the n-word (in group conversations no less) is an ocean-sized gulf.
i don't really buy into the people change thing, and in this dudes case if he really changed he wouldn't have gone from racist to republican. he went from little racist kid to young adult who joined a party that racists flock to, imo not a coincidence.
Not my place to forgive, but I'll happily condemn. Harvard isn't a right, nor is the forgiveness of a marginalised group you've mocked and cared zero for right up until it's affected you personally.
Actions have consequences, and at that age those consequences are not getting into a prestigious school and hitting the tarmac a little harder out the gate, like almost every single other person out there. Except that's not even true, because while he's whining about not getting into Harvard, he's still set for a life of privilege above those he's spent time degrading just a year ago.
There's no inward reflection, just resorting to claiming how racist Harvard is as an institution so what's the issue with being a little racist 'in the past'? Kick him to the curb, there's zero reason this should be an international conversation.
Actions have consequences, and at that age those consequences are not getting into a prestigious school and hitting the tarmac a little harder out the gate, like almost every single other person out there. Except that's not even true, because while he's whining about not getting into Harvard, he's still set for a life of privilege above those he's spent time degrading just a year ago.
There's no inward reflection, just resorting to claiming how racist Harvard is as an institution so what's the issue with being a little racist 'in the past'? Kick him to the curb, there's zero reason this should be an international conversation.
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Ahh. Good old republicans. The last bastion of "actions have consequences... except mine".
He can still grow and change. He just won't do it at Harvard. The same as literally billions of the rest of us.
Why is this getting so much publicity? Hundreds are denied daily from Harvard, because they didnt partake in a huge amount extra curriculum activities or failed a single test in their final year.
These conservative nuts don't actually think Harvard shouldn't be able to make a decision based on a kids high school record. They just don't think saying the N word is bad
These conservative nuts don't actually think Harvard shouldn't be able to make a decision based on a kids high school record. They just don't think saying the N word is bad