H5 had 22 maps not including forge maps.
Including the forge palettes it has 28.
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Including the forge palettes it has 28.
jem, show me the receipts because thats not true at all
I literally counted them as I scrolled the actual game writing that post
Yep they definitely mean maps 👀
I'm unfamiliar with HaloDotAPI's work. How would they be getting that info already? Is some form of Infinite's API already accessible by the public? Or did the app flight give them some limited access of some sort? What's the origin of this info?
I'm unfamiliar with HaloDotAPI's work. How would they be getting that info already? Is some form of Infinite's API already accessible by the public? Or did the app flight give them some limited access of some sort? What's the origin of this info?
Attack on Sanctum
Battle of Noctus
Coliseum
Eden
Empire
Escape from Arc
Fathom
March on Stormbreak
Mercy
Molten
Overgrowth
Plaza
Prospect
Raid on Apex 7
Regret
Riptide
Stasis
Skirmish at Darkstar
The Rig
Torque
Truth
Tyrant
Then the 6 forge palettes
I am not jem but I just did this count this morning so I thought I'd chime in
Halo 5's map count is a little weird thanks to remixes and forge creations being included in their official count at launch (as detailed in my post at the bottom of the last page) but if you're being generous by counting remixes as fully separate original maps then the total number can be as high as 23 without forge by my count (including warzone)
(unless i screwed something up but you can see my work below)
So jem is not wrong
(Although personally I chose to give remixes partial credit in my count and rounded it to ~10 launch maps ~20 final maps)
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Remixes definitely count - they look and play very distinctly from the "originals".I am not jem but I just did this count this morning so I thought I'd chime in
Halo 5's map count is a little annoying to calculate thanks to remixes and forge maps being included in their official count at launch (as detailed in my post at the bottom of the last page) but if you're being generous by counting remixes as fully separate original maps then the total number can be as high as 23 without forge by my count (including warzone)
(unless i screwed something up but you can see my work below)
So jem is not wrong
(Although personally I chose to give remixes partial credit in my count and rounded it to ~10 launch maps ~20 final maps)
(unfortunately they often play far worse).
forge palettes dont count as maps
and including Warzone maps into it is just fluffing the numbers for what?
We never counted forge maps, canvases, warzone, or firefight maps as "Maps" before, and doing so now seems very strange. Like, what is your point?
It doesn't change the fact that this game was entirely held up by Forge content, almost entirely created outside of 343 themselves, and is absolutely a valid factor to consider the franchise they took over regularly was pushing out 20+ developer maps per game, and as soon as they took over the number fell off a cliff.
Why wouldn't you include Warzone maps?forge palettes dont count as maps
and including Warzone maps into it is just fluffing the numbers for what?
We never counted forge maps, canvases, warzone, or firefight maps as "Maps" before, and doing so now seems very strange. Like, what is your point?
It doesn't change the fact that this game was entirely held up by Forge content, almost entirely created outside of 343 themselves, and is absolutely a valid factor to consider the franchise they took over regularly was pushing out 20+ developer maps per game, and as soon as they took over the number fell off a cliff.
That'd be like saying we shouldn't include maps only used for BTB.
Including forge palettes it's 29 maps overall (I missed Temple as I thought it was a subsection of Attack on Sanctum).
Because when we talk about MP Maps, absolutely nobody is thinking about Warzone maps in that figure.
They are not equivocal to each other. If you want to say there are 15 MP maps and 8 Warzone boards, thats fine. But they are not the same, if they allowed Big team to be played on them, then maybe. But they dont, they are bespoke to a separate game mode.
Attack on Sanctum =/= Valhalla
I just took those screenshots from the game 30 minutes ago, according to Halo 5 those are all the maps that are included in the game from 343 themselves.
Orion, Pegasus and all the Breakout maps are included on that list.
All made in Forge.
edit: I never thought there would be a day that I of all people would be affirming that forge maps dont count
yes indeed they do (both points)
Any map could play very different as easily as swapping some weapon placements and adding a forge bridge or something
When gameplay is your metric, where is the line of what constitutes a "new" map? During the Infinite flight, were the weapon variants of Live Fire different maps?
Defining distinct maps by gameplay gets a little messy when forge and re-used geometry blur that line (which is why I said the count for halo 5 is kinda annoying if you're trying to compare it 1:1 with older halo game counts)
Ultimately for my count I chose to define a distinct map worthy of 1 whole point in my count as each being one wholly original developer creation.
A remix largely reuses an existing map so that's worth like half a map point in my count, when in the context of being compared to prior halo map counts. I don't think a H5 Eden should count the same as a H2 Sanctuary.
Ultimately I did defend your count! If you just want a straight total count, in a vacuum, that's indeed 23 before forge.
Remixes just count for less in mine, because comparing a count that includes remixes to older halo games before remixes existed isn't quite apples to apples.
I did include Warzone in my count because that mode was meant to be 343's equivalent replacement for BTB. So for comparison's sake, that's how they're counted. Even though we all know in our hearts that Warzone was absolutely not an acceptable replacement or equivalent. Including Warzone H5 ended up generally on-par with past title map counts, although for those of us that did not embrace Warzone, the map count felt very small.
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Nah mate - you're talking absolute nonsense.
Warzone maps are just as important as any arena maps in H5 - hell, Warzone was more popular than arena so they're arguably more important.
H5's remixes go far beyond just swapping weapon placements and adding some bridges though.
Regret and Truth are about as similar in how they play as Sanctuary and Midship are.
The closest two maps in terms of straight up geometric similarity (and visuals to be honest) would probably be Eden and Empire but even those two play very differently.
I should also mention that I was being 100% facetious by bringing those up.
Not going into details they wouldn't want to be shared at this point, so let just say they retro-engineered the Xbox & Halo API, and that they keep digging into it. You can definitely trust them when they are sharing an information (which doesn't mean that information will be verified and true, but that at some point, that information was available within the API 343 Industries is using for Infinite).
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Like I said before, my hunch is some of these "21 maps" are cut/leftovers or WIP maps for upcoming seasons.
Certainly it's possible some of that number could be cut content or content still in progress for upcoming seasons.
They've probably already got new maps well in the works for upcoming seasons in the nearish future and breadcrumbs from that process could potentially be found.
But for a moment let's humor that number and theorize what 21 maps could possibly shake out to be, whether that be at launch or filled in down the road:
Let's say they go all out with 5 Forge canvasses like H5 had=16 remaining
25% of H5's arena launch arena lineup was remixed maps, 40% at finish, so let's say ~33% end up being remixes of other maps = 5 remixes
That leaves us with 11 remaining fully original maps
History tells us around 40% of maps are BTB maps = 4 BTB maps and 7 Arena maps
So...
Arena:
They've probably already got new maps well in the works for upcoming seasons in the nearish future and breadcrumbs from that process could potentially be found.
But for a moment let's humor that number and theorize what 21 maps could possibly shake out to be, whether that be at launch or filled in down the road:
Let's say they go all out with 5 Forge canvasses like H5 had=16 remaining
25% of H5's arena launch arena lineup was remixed maps, 40% at finish, so let's say ~33% end up being remixes of other maps = 5 remixes
That leaves us with 11 remaining fully original maps
History tells us around 40% of maps are BTB maps = 4 BTB maps and 7 Arena maps
So...
Arena:
- Bazaar
- Behemoth
- Live Fire
- Recharge
- UnnamedA5 (Sabre map?)
- UnnamedA6
- UnnamedA7
- Unnamed RemixA8
- Unnamed RemixA9
- Unnamed RemixA10
- Fragmentation
- UnnamedB2
- UnnamedB3
- UnnamedB4
- Unnamed RemixB5
- Unnamed RemixB6
- Canvas1
- Canvas2
- Canvas3
- Canvas4
- Canvas5
Thanks! The context helps.
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I hope we get proper dev tools so modders can make proper developer quality maps and forge gets relegated to map editing over map creation.
Neat. Where's that from? Don't notice any new news on waypoint.
Leaked, notice the sidearm on the side with the repulser.
That reminds me.
I'm okay with armor coatings.
I'm not okay with emblems being locked. And predefined (colors and looks). That one should still be like the classic emblem system, or I'm just old school?
I'm okay with armor coatings.
I'm not okay with emblems being locked. And predefined (colors and looks). That one should still be like the classic emblem system, or I'm just old school?
Weirdly, I would've expected the other one too as well... weird.
If the blue Spartan has one in the same spot their arm is covering it from that angle.
iirc, emblems on the Spartans themselves weren't visible even if you had access to the app's flight.
To me it looks strangely similar to the sidekick but still with a lot of differences
Makes me wonder if we're seeing a "weapon core" in action
the customization subsystem rumored to allow weapons to have different models in addition to skins
I don't know if it's real but I've seen talk about it, and weapons cores have been referenced in official screenshots
I wonder if I can make my sidekick look like an M6D
Oh, you know what, I'm an idiot - I saw that icon on the neck of the spartan on the left and I thought that it was a holo emblem or something. Guess it's probably just a watermark.
im on mobile so, I had to zoom in to see what it was. I was hoping I was gonna see a M6D 😞.
I think the whole "cores" system sounds pretty cool.
Looking at all the leaked weapon lists I can find and I dont think I see something else it could be. I think Vorpal might be right, a visually modified sidekick
I love halo 5 but it always bothers me that with all the maps, variants, forge maps, etc. they still have a total of 3 mp maps in the social slayer Playlist. Like, why?
I hope whatever they do with infinite mp, they at least include more maps in social slayer rotation.
I hope whatever they do with infinite mp, they at least include more maps in social slayer rotation.
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No way we're getting 21 maps are launch. I'm going with the history books on this one.
Hopefully not lol. We need the real thing in function, then the M6D can get its own model swaps/skins.
Eh, they're no longer selling map packs, the game's been in development for 6 years, the game was supposed to ship last year, and they briefly considered shipping multiplayer last year even after they decided to delay the campaign. Honestly, it wouldn't be shocking if the map teams have been churning out new maps steadily for ages now. They could very well have a significant stockpile of maps ready to go, especially if the core multiplayer mechanics and movement properties have been locked in for a while.
I reckon if they have got a stockpile of 20+ maps then we'll probably see a fair few of them held back to drip feed in as regular content updates.
Looks like the Repulser or whatever it's called. It was shown off in the MP reveal trailer when the player reflects the charged plasma pistol shot.
Oh the parry thing. I've never seen it from a third person point of view. I see.
I've always been bothered by how Halo 5s playlists were managed. You'd have terrible forge maps and modes make it into the playlists and they would stay there forever, while good stuff never makes it in.